Caroline Speaking Gullah and English

[Apollo Creed]

I gotta visit ... And I’ve visited Alabama yeeeeears ago but I was pretty insulated...

@Ravishing Brick Rude

Thank you ... should be getting taught in schools... at least in the coastal Carolinas and Georgia .

When Gullah/Geechie and Creole goes away, it’s a wrap.


First time I was in SC, I damn near needed a translator for some folks I met from the lowcountry and SC islands .

Truly a treasure that’s really damn near the last profound link to Africa.

The gift and the curse of industrization and the creation of cities is many blacks begin to look at their “country” orgins as being “lesser than” becauss these people lacked “formal” education” and continued to hold on to what white people deemed “primitive” traditions. Sadly usually by the time we start to want to learn about ourselves our elders are usualy all dead or too old to really give accurate info. This why creating mainting and passing down tradition is important. Lotta folks are so goofy now becaus they dont truly know who they are and where they come from.

 

[Apollo Creed]

No they made fun of them, because they were considered old fashioned and country as Hell. Black people that moved to the cities made fun of anything that they perceived as country. Being Country and being Gullah are not separate, because almost all AAs have a connection to NC, SC, Georgia and Virginia. They just moved inland to other Southern States, but that Country talk is from those areas.

My mother used to make fun of my grandmother, because of how my grandmother spoke. My mother moved to Chicago from Tennessee, so when she came back to Tennessee to speak with my grandmother she used to complain about my grandmother speaking a bunch of broken English. Well my grandmother and the other older people were difficult to understand, but once you were around them you figured out what they were saying.

Geechees are from Georgia. They are Gullah people that live near the Ogeechee River. I don't remember any Black person ever being upset being referred to as Gullah, but if you called them Geechee then you would have to fight them. That was an insult.

Nah in GA being “country” i.e from Macon,Waycross,Columbus, etc Is not the same as when someone says you are “Geechee”. You are using “country” and “traditional” in the literal sense and i am using it in the sense that there are enough difference in the cultures that they can be seen as being distinct groups of people.

People from Florida and the Sea islands are a different kind of “country”.

 

[Samori Toure]

My statement is saying that as blacks migrate they continue to split off and create new culture. It’s literally the definition of the concept of Ethnic Group.

For more of these people I’d aregue Mande is the Parent Ethnic group (with them coming from numerous Mande Tribes) and once they got to America (say the Low Country) that created the first “branch” which one can argue is that of the AA ethnic group, as they continued to move around, each path taken created new sub groubs.

For example an AA from Albany Ga And an AA from Jackson Ms, will have different cultures but there will be simularity/overlap due to them belonging to the same AA parent ethnic group. The difference between them and Geeche people is that they do not give themselves a tribe identifier like the Gullah-Geeche did.

You got that wrong. Black people in Georgia, Mississippi, Northwest Florida and Alabama are going to have very similar cultures. As a matter of fact Mississippi and Alabama were heavily peopled by the people from South Carolina and Georgia.

I think what you actually mean is that the Black people in the Mid-South are going to be culturally different from Black people in the deep South. From what I have seen is that the people of Tennessee, North Carolina, Kentucky and Virginia have a lot of similarities; which stands to reason, because Tennessee and Kentucky were heavily peopled by North Carolina and Virginia residents.

AncestryDNA maintains genetic communities. My mother comes back to South Carolina. I come back to coastal North Carolina, which are the exact regions that my grandmother and her sister told us that our families are from. Additionally, DNA testing shows that maternal lines are Mende people from Sierra Leone; so this stuff is more accurate than people believe.

 

[Apollo Creed]

You got that wrong. Black people in Georgia, Mississippi, Northwest Florida and Alabama are going to have very similar cultures. As a matter of fact Mississippi and Alabama were heavily peopled by the people from South Carolina and Georgia.

I think what you actually mean is that the Black people in the Mid-South are going to be culturally different from Black people in the deep South. From what I have seen is that the people of Tennessee, North Carolina, Kentucky and Virginia have a lot of similarities; which stands to reason, because Tennessee and Kentucky were heavily peopled by North Carolina and Virginia residents.

AncestryDNA maintains genetic communities. My mother comes back to South Carolina. I come back to coastal North Carolina, which are the exact regions that my grandmother and her sister told us that our families are from. Additionally, DNA testing shows that maternal lines are Mende people from Sierra Leone; so this stuff is more accurate than people believe.

My example was just me saying two random cities.

My point is Low Country, Gulf coast, Deep south, Mid South all have enough distinction where one could identify them as subgroups/tribes. Gullah Geechee from what I know are the only ones who kept the Tribe/Nation concept and I believe there are some others in Florida but they are much smaller in size

 

[Brer Dog]

So, geechee/gullah people are descendants of Caribbean slaves?

No. Where'd you get that idea from?

 

[96Blue]

No. Where'd you get that idea from?

I saw this one video on YouTube. Dude said they descended from Caribbeans.

I don't know.

 

[Samori Toure]

Nah in GA being “country” i.e from Macon,Waycross,Columbus, etc Is not the same as when someone says you are “Geechee”. You are using “country” and “traditional” in the literal sense and i am using it in the sense that there are enough difference in the cultures that they can be seen as being distinct groups of people.

People from Florida and the Sea islands are a different kind of “country”.

I think that people over think this. I get what you are saying, but the movements that you are seeing among AAs have basically only happened over the last 150 years or so. Most African Americans ancestors were in South Carolina (they outnumbered White people there), Georgia, North Carolina and Virginia. They moved to other regions either right before or after the Civil War. Many fled after the reconstruction era to go North and West in order to avoid Jim Crow. So country talk and Gullah talk are closer than you think. Like I said if you would have heard older African Americans talk then you would know exactly what I mean. You couldn't understand shyt they were saying. They literally sounded like James Brown.

 

[Samori Toure]

I saw this one video on YouTube. Dude said they descended from Caribbeans.

I don't know.

Nope. They are not.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I saw this one video on YouTube. Dude said they descended from Caribbeans.

I don't know.

The only thing I know about AAs having Carribean Ancestry are cases in I think Florida where former slaves in the Carribean (I think Bahamas?) went to florida and mixed with the people there

 

[Elle Driver]

No they made fun of them, because they were considered old fashioned and country as Hell. Black people that moved to the cities made fun of anything that they perceived as country. Being Country and being Gullah are not separate, because almost all AAs have a connection to NC, SC, Georgia and Virginia. They just moved inland to other Southern States, but that Country talk is from those areas.

My mother used to make fun of my grandmother, because of how my grandmother spoke. My mother moved to Chicago from Tennessee, so when she came back to Tennessee to speak with my grandmother she used to complain about my grandmother speaking a bunch of broken English. Well my grandmother and the other older people were difficult to understand, but once you were around them you figured out what they were saying.

Geechees are from Georgia. They are Gullah people that live near the Ogeechee River. I don't remember any Black person ever being upset being referred to as Gullah, but if you called them Geechee then you would have to fight them. That was an insult.

The deeper south you go the hardest it is for you to understand unless you familiar. They talk real fast too.

 

[The Burger King]

I saw this one video on YouTube. Dude said they descended from Caribbeans.

I don't know.

It varies. I’m Gullah but I also have Bajan roots. I guess it’s sort of like how some creoles have Haitians roots but not all are Haitian.

 

[96Blue]

The only thing I know about AAs having Carribean Ancestry are cases in I think Florida where former slaves in the Carribean (I think Bahamas?) went to florida and mixed with the people there

That's what dude said. Afro-Bahamian.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I think that people over think this. I get what you are saying, but the movements that you are seeing among AAs have basically only happened over the last 150 years or so. Most African Americans ancestors were in South Carolina (they outnumbered White people there), Georgia, North Carolina and Virginia. They moved to other regions either right before or after the Civil War. Many fled after the reconstruction era to go North and West in order to avoid Jim Crow. So country talk and Gullah talk are closer than you think. Like I said if you would have heard older African Americans talk then you would know exactly what I mean. You couldn't understand shyt they were saying. They literally sounded like James Brown.

Nah I know what you mean, older AAs talked very differently but it still varied by region.

With all ethnic groups the tribes within them are vary simular but they still have enough differences to make the distinction.

Maybe its because in america AAs didnt use the tribe/nation concept outside of a few groups so you may think Im implying something I’m not.

 

[Samori Toure]

That's what dude said. Afro-Bahamian.

Y'all got that backwards. They did not come from the Bahamas to the USA. They fled the USA and went to the Bahamas after the first Seminole War in Florida. Gullah slaves that escaped slavery in South Carolina and Georgia fled to Northern Florida swamps and lived among Seminole Indians. Those Gullah became known as Black Seminole Indians.

"...Today, there are still small Black Seminole communities scattered by war across North America and the West Indies. The "Black Indians" live on Andros Island in the Bahamas where their ancestors escaped from Florida after the First Seminole War... ."

https://glc.yale.edu/sites/default/files/files/Black Seminoles .pdf
BLACK SEMINOLES

 

[EztheUnknown]

A lot of Gullah folk have had their land snatched away by coastal development unfortaunently, Hilton Head might be the worst example of gentrification in every sense of the word, damn shame man.

This. They’re building resorts damn near daily down in that area. They’ll be trying to take over St.Helena next.