Cavs Coach Speaks on who Kyrie Irving Idolizes

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Lebron has never benefitted from calls as much as a lot of people think. He definitely gets the benefit of the doubt in a lot of ways (Dude can whine, run his mouth, and flop) but he's so damn strong and tough that he tanks through a lot of fouls or has them bounce right off of him.

Lebron gets hit a LOT when he's driving. Dudes be swiping at his arms, trying to wrap him, pull his jersey as he's going up, etc

Same treatment Shaq used to get all the time

when LeBron retires he's gonna go out like Duncan.. nobody will care and he'll be forgotten.

13+ years in the game, and never developed a jumper, a go to move, ball handling, post-moves, and still relies on others to take all the big shots.

Lies on all front from you once again. Negged once again

 

[EducatedBrothaFromTheBank]

Same treatment Shaq used to get all the time


Lies on all front from you once again. Negged once again

Welcome to the ignore list... bye corny cac

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Welcome to the ignore list... bye corny cac

I win

 

[Professor Emeritus]

brute ballhandler, brute post game, and he takes low volume of 3s which skews his actual efficiency from 3 which plummets in the playoffs

I completely destroyed your "Lebron's %'s plummet in the playoffs" argument already once, and you dare bring it back.

First lie, Lebron does NOT take a "low volume of threes". He shoots just as many threes as Kobe does for his career and makes MORE than him per season.

Lebron career average on 3pt: 34.2% on 4.0 threes/game
Kobe career average on 3pt: 32.9% on 4.1 threes/game

Lebron's had some fantastic high-volume three seasons recently, like 2015 (35.4% on 4.9 threes/game), 2017 (38.0% on 4.5 threes/game), and 2014 (37.9% on 4.0 threes/game). That volume is comparable to any Kobe season other than '05, '06, and '16, when Kobe was just throwing up ridiculous shot totals on crap teams.


Second lie, Lebron does NOT see his 3pt efficiency plummet in the playoffs. Lebron has been a consistent 3pt-shooter since 2009. In the those 8 seasons he only had twice where he wasn't hitting threes in the playoffs, and one of those two years was 2015 when he was exhausted and his shot died as he was carrying a D-league team to the Finals. The rest of the years, he maintained his 3pt-shot just fine in the Finals.

2009: 34.4% on 4.7 shots/game regular season, 33.3% on 5.8 shots/game in the playoffs
2010: 33.3% on 5.1 shots/game regular season, 40.0% on 4.5 shots/game in the playoffs
2011: 33.0% on 3.0 shots/game regular season, 35.3% on 4.0 shots/game in the playoffs
2013: 40.6% on 3.3 shots/game regular season, 37.5% on 4.2 shots/game in the playoffs
2014: 37.9% on 4.0 shots/game regular season, 40.7% on 4.3 shots/game in the playoffs
2016: 30.9% on 3.7 shots/game regular season, 34.0% on 4.0 shots/game in the playoffs

Kobe is a career 33.1% three-point shooter in the playoffs. Meaning that in 6 of the last 8 playoff runs, (and 7 out of 11 playoff runs total), Lebron has shot better from three than Kobe's career playoff average.
How the hell can you say that his efficiency from three plummets in the playoffs when he's outperforming Kobe's playoff average 3/4 of the time?

Lebron's post game is very limited. He still travels all the time they just don't call it. His jumper is still mediocre as is his handle. It's the result of him dominating physically and feeling like he doesn't need those improve those things.

Post: Lebron has been at or near the top of the NBA in post efficiency since 2011. He doesn't have the most incredible repertoire of post moves in the league, but for a perimeter player he still has some of the best and most effective moves of anyone. He has spin moves to both sides, a hook shot with both hands, and a strong turnaround jumper.

Jumper: He's shooting 38% from three right now, has been shooting threes at a great % for six years, and at his peak his numbers from midrange (10-16 and 16-23) were just as good as Kobe's peak. It's not like he's Wade, finally developing range on his way out of the league. Lebron has literally won titles on the strength of his jumper.

Handle: Lebron is a large forward whose handle is good enough that even his critics admit that he could play full-time point guard if the coach wanted it. His handle is better than Magic, and Magic is the greatest point guard ever. When people critique his handle, they compare him to elite guards like Kobe and Curry, which goes to show where he's at. There has literally never been a player as big as Lebron in the history of the NBA with a handle as good as his.

That's what's laughable about you critics. You have a higher expectation of Lebron than even his biggest stans do. It's not enough that he's generally acknowledged to be one of the greatest athletes in the NBA and have one of the highest bball IQ's in the NBA and be one of the best passers in the NBA and be one of the best finishers in the NBA and be one of the best defenders in the NBA. And have an above-average post game, jumper, and handles for his position as well.

No, if he isn't actually the best in the NBA at literally every facet of the game, he ain't shyt.

When's the last time you watched Lebron and went "he ain't have that last season!" I'll wait.

'08-'09 Lebron jumped a huge level on defense, getting his first All-Defensive Team award plus bringing in the chase-down block (which was why he broke 1.0 blocks/game that year and continued that for the next three years)

2004-2008: 0 All-Defensive teams
2009-2017: 6 All-Defensive teams and probably deserved 1-2 more


'10-'11 Lebron seriously began working on his midrange game. Before 2010 he was career 32% on 10-16 foot jumpers and had never broke 36% once, but in '10-'11 he shot 44%. Before 2010 he was career 38% from 16-23 and had never broke 40% once, but in '10-'11 he shot 45%.

2004-2010: 32% from 10-16, 38% from 16-23
2011-2017: 42% from 10-16, 40% from 16-23


'11-'12 Lebron took his post game to a new level. He continued to improve on that in 2012-2013. After the Dallas defeat he started taking the ball into the post MUCH more than he had before

James in the post, last 5 seasons
Season Reg Playoffs
2008-09 5.3% 6.8%
2009-10 6.4% 6.3%
2010-11 8.0% 8.3%
2011-12 13.9% 15.3%
2012-13 11.9% 16.0%


'12-'13 Lebron became a 40% three-point shooter for the first time. Until 2012 he had never shot over 35% from three for a season, but after getting beat by the Mavs he worked on it and in '11-'12 he shot 36% and in '12-'13 he shot 41% and basically beat the Spurs on three-point shooting. All five of Lebron's best three-point shooting seasons have come since that Mavs loss.

2004-2008: Lebron 32% from three-point range
2009-2011: Lebron 34% from three-point range
2012-2017: Lebron 37% from three-point range


'12-'13 Lebron took his defensive game to another level. Before 2012 Lebron had never received more than 4 DPOY 1st-place votes in any season. In 2012 he recieved 7 votes and in 2013 he recieved 18 votes, just short of Gasol for DPOY. His team defense was at another level, able to switch onto anyone one-on-one as one of the best individual defenders in the league against 1 through 4 as well as blocking the passing lanes (1.7 steals/game) and protecting the rim (1.0 blocks/game) at the same time.


'16-'17,Lebron started playing off the ball more and he's specifically working on catch-and-shoot threes, and has improved to nearly 50% on those this season.

You can also say that Lebron's basketball IQ has steadily improved over the course of his career and impressively improved his shot selection.

yeah honestly, the haters would have a lot less ammo if A. refs called those 50-50s more often in his favor (i.e Isaiah or Steph-esque) B. he didnt blow the damn layups once he actually got past so often

Lebron is one of the greatest finishers in the league, and has been for a decade. He's making 77.4% of his shots within 3 feet this year and is 73% for his career. Even in the playoffs, when fast breaks are limited and teams pack the paint against him, he's a 72% finisher for his career. That's among the best in modern history for a perimeter player. The only reason you think he blows a lot layups is because literally every shot Lebron misses is blown out of proportion.

when LeBron retires he's gonna go out like Duncan.. nobody will care and he'll be forgotten.

13+ years in the game, and never developed a jumper, a go to move, ball handling, post-moves, and still relies on others to take all the big shots.

More game-winners in the playoffs than any other player in his era, higher Game 7 scoring average than any other player in history, just had 9 points in the final 6 minutes of Game 7 to outscore everyone else combined and pull off the biggest Finals upset in history, but he "relies on others to take all the big shots".

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Wait... You the guy who said you can't wait until Lebrons generation gets into the league... When this nikka been in the league for like 15 years

And you talking about those football players and nikkas like Bradley Beal or PG (who already said Kobe was his favorite player) and a bunch of nikkas in different sports when I'm talking about rookies and this nikkas peers...

stop it...I already posted examples from the NBA and the ones from outside the NBA were just to show how much crossover admiration he gets from athletes in other sports. Another one

Anthony Davis “SportsCenter Conversation” on ESPN

From a big-man standpoint, Davis opened up on Kevin Garnett being his favorite player as a growing up; but cited LeBron James as his overall favorite player.

Anthony Davis “SportsCenter Conversation” on ESPN | OnSMASH

Just stop bruh.. This nikkas game is ugly and his generation is already in the league... just accept it and KIM

keep trying to convince yourself

Lebron riders never wanna let shyt go or accept the truth

Noone more delusional than Kobe stans. Have fun knowing your god ranks outside of the top 10 while the Kang is top 5 all time already

 

[IllmaticDelta]

He just has that one signature dunk... Never even tried a dunk test because he was afraid to lose that

.....only if lebron could win a dunk contest in the NBA doing these weak as dunks



...lebron does better shyt than that in warmups when he's half assing it

 

[IllmaticDelta]

when LeBron retires he's gonna go out like Duncan.. nobody will care and he'll be forgotten.

delusion isn't good....LBJ will have the sendoff like a true kang

13+ years in the game, and never developed a jumper, a go to move, ball handling, post-moves,

stop it...LBJ does it all

and still relies on others to take all the big shots.

keep telling yourself that....






LeBron May Be The Most Clutch Playoff Shooter Of His Generation

Relative to the league-wide average, James generated 4.8 more total points than expected on his go-ahead shots, which translates to about one entire playoff win beyond what an average shooter would have contributed from the same field-goal distances. And those numbers become magnified when you consider that James’s average go-ahead shot came in a playoff game with

championship implications 34 percent greater than the typical postseason contest. After we weight by the leverage of his specific game-winning shot attempts, James generated the equivalent3 of 8.5 more points than expected, or roughly two playoff wins above average, with his clutch end-of-game shooting alone.

(By contrast, Bryant generated 3.2 fewer points than expected and did it in games that were about 64 percent more important than the average playoff game, compounding the damage of his 1-for-10 performance.)

LeBron May Be The Most Clutch Playoff Shooter Of His Generation















take note of shot attempts and field goal% along with the all around game


4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points"

2010-11


2009-10


2008-09


2007-08

 

[Poitier]

@The Dankster I've debunked your post a milllion times over the years. Give up, bro.

 

[Rigby.]

Lebron is one of the greatest finishers in the league, and has been for a decade. He's making 77.4% of his shots within 3 feet this year and is 73% for his career. Even in the playoffs, when fast breaks are limited and teams pack the paint against him, he's a 72% finisher for his career. That's among the best in modern history for a perimeter player. The only reason you think he blows a lot layups is because literally every shot Lebron misses is blown out of proportion.

I mean that is what it is, im not calling him a trash finisher, but the nikka does miss some pretty open ass lay ups too often

 

[Rigby.]

Bron's post fadeaway top 3 all time or nah? when he gets that shot going, it usually opens everything else up

 

[Rigby.]

when LeBron retires he's gonna go out like Duncan.. nobody will care and he'll be forgotten.

13+ years in the game, and never developed a jumper, a go to move, ball handling, post-moves, and still relies on others to take all the big shots.

I guarantee on a game to game basis against anybody, his games will be bigger than Kobe's last game, and he wont need 50 shots to have a memorable one certainly

and he also probably wont miss the playoffs for the last 3 years of his career, while also being fragile as fukking dollar general soap bars.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I completely destroyed your "Lebron's %'s plummet in the playoffs" argument already once, and you dare bring it back.

First lie, Lebron does NOT take a "low volume of threes". He shoots just as many threes as Kobe does for his career and makes MORE than him per season.

Lebron career average on 3pt: 34.2% on 4.0 threes/game
Kobe career average on 3pt: 32.9% on 4.1 threes/game

Lebron's had some fantastic high-volume three seasons recently, like 2015 (35.4% on 4.9 threes/game), 2017 (38.0% on 4.5 threes/game), and 2014 (37.9% on 4.0 threes/game). That volume is comparable to any Kobe season other than '05, '06, and '16, when Kobe was just throwing up ridiculous shot totals on crap teams.


Second lie, Lebron does NOT see his 3pt efficiency plummet in the playoffs. Lebron has been a consistent 3pt-shooter since 2009. In the those 8 seasons he only had twice where he wasn't hitting threes in the playoffs, and one of those two years was 2015 when he was exhausted and his shot died as he was carrying a D-league team to the Finals. The rest of the years, he maintained his 3pt-shot just fine in the Finals.

2009: 34.4% on 4.7 shots/game regular season, 33.3% on 5.8 shots/game in the playoffs
2010: 33.3% on 5.1 shots/game regular season, 40.0% on 4.5 shots/game in the playoffs
2011: 33.0% on 3.0 shots/game regular season, 35.3% on 4.0 shots/game in the playoffs
2013: 40.6% on 3.3 shots/game regular season, 37.5% on 4.2 shots/game in the playoffs
2014: 37.9% on 4.0 shots/game regular season, 40.7% on 4.3 shots/game in the playoffs
2016: 30.9% on 3.7 shots/game regular season, 34.0% on 4.0 shots/game in the playoffs

Kobe is a career 33.1% three-point shooter in the playoffs. Meaning that in 6 of the last 8 playoff runs, (and 7 out of 11 playoff runs total), Lebron has shot better from three than Kobe's career playoff average.
How the hell can you say that his efficiency from three plummets in the playoffs when he's outperforming Kobe's playoff average 3/4 of the time?






Post: Lebron has been at or near the top of the NBA in post efficiency since 2011. He doesn't have the most incredible repertoire of post moves in the league, but for a perimeter player he still has some of the best and most effective moves of anyone. He has spin moves to both sides, a hook shot with both hands, and a strong turnaround jumper.

Jumper: He's shooting 38% from three right now, has been shooting threes at a great % for six years, and at his peak his numbers from midrange (10-16 and 16-23) were just as good as Kobe's peak. It's not like he's Wade, finally developing range on his way out of the league. Lebron has literally won titles on the strength of his jumper.

Handle: Lebron is a large forward whose handle is good enough that even his critics admit that he could play full-time point guard if the coach wanted it. His handle is better than Magic, and Magic is the greatest point guard ever. When people critique his handle, they compare him to elite guards like Kobe and Curry, which goes to show where he's at. There has literally never been a player as big as Lebron in the history of the NBA with a handle as good as his.

That's what's laughable about you critics. You have a higher expectation of Lebron than even his biggest stans do. It's not enough that he's generally acknowledged to be one of the greatest athletes in the NBA and have one of the highest bball IQ's in the NBA and be one of the best passers in the NBA and be one of the best finishers in the NBA and be one of the best defenders in the NBA. And have an above-average post game, jumper, and handles for his position as well.

No, if he isn't actually the best in the NBA at literally every facet of the game, he ain't shyt.





'08-'09 Lebron jumped a huge level on defense, getting his first All-Defensive Team award plus bringing in the chase-down block (which was why he broke 1.0 blocks/game that year and continued that for the next three years)

2004-2008: 0 All-Defensive teams
2009-2017: 6 All-Defensive teams and probably deserved 1-2 more


'10-'11 Lebron seriously began working on his midrange game. Before 2010 he was career 32% on 10-16 foot jumpers and had never broke 36% once, but in '10-'11 he shot 44%. Before 2010 he was career 38% from 16-23 and had never broke 40% once, but in '10-'11 he shot 45%.

2004-2010: 32% from 10-16, 38% from 16-23
2011-2017: 42% from 10-16, 40% from 16-23


'11-'12 Lebron took his post game to a new level. He continued to improve on that in 2012-2013. After the Dallas defeat he started taking the ball into the post MUCH more than he had before

James in the post, last 5 seasons
Season Reg Playoffs
2008-09 5.3% 6.8%
2009-10 6.4% 6.3%
2010-11 8.0% 8.3%
2011-12 13.9% 15.3%
2012-13 11.9% 16.0%


'12-'13 Lebron became a 40% three-point shooter for the first time. Until 2012 he had never shot over 35% from three for a season, but after getting beat by the Mavs he worked on it and in '11-'12 he shot 36% and in '12-'13 he shot 41% and basically beat the Spurs on three-point shooting. All five of Lebron's best three-point shooting seasons have come since that Mavs loss.

2004-2008: Lebron 32% from three-point range
2009-2011: Lebron 34% from three-point range
2012-2017: Lebron 37% from three-point range


'12-'13 Lebron took his defensive game to another level. Before 2012 Lebron had never received more than 4 DPOY 1st-place votes in any season. In 2012 he recieved 7 votes and in 2013 he recieved 18 votes, just short of Gasol for DPOY. His team defense was at another level, able to switch onto anyone one-on-one as one of the best individual defenders in the league against 1 through 4 as well as blocking the passing lanes (1.7 steals/game) and protecting the rim (1.0 blocks/game) at the same time.


'16-'17,Lebron started playing off the ball more and he's specifically working on catch-and-shoot threes, and has improved to nearly 50% on those this season.

You can also say that Lebron's basketball IQ has steadily improved over the course of his career and impressively improved his shot selection.






Lebron is one of the greatest finishers in the league, and has been for a decade. He's making 77.4% of his shots within 3 feet this year and is 73% for his career. Even in the playoffs, when fast breaks are limited and teams pack the paint against him, he's a 72% finisher for his career. That's among the best in modern history for a perimeter player. The only reason you think he blows a lot layups is because literally every shot Lebron misses is blown out of proportion.








More game-winners in the playoffs than any other player in his era, higher Game 7 scoring average than any other player in history, just had 9 points in the final 6 minutes of Game 7 to outscore everyone else combined and pull off the biggest Finals upset in history, but he "relies on others to take all the big shots".

straight ether

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

straight ether

Sadly our resident hall of shamer will ignore it and call anyone who posts facts a troll and keep polluting this board with his awful posting.

 

[EducatedBrothaFromTheBank]

I guarantee on a game to game basis against anybody, his games will be bigger than Kobe's last game, and he wont need 50 shots to have a memorable one certainly

and he also probably wont miss the playoffs for the last 3 years of his career, while also being fragile as fukking dollar general soap bars.

Touched a nerve.. truth hurts

There's a difference between all time great & iconic.

Jordan, Magic, Kobe, Bird, Dr J, Hakeem are Iconic

Duncan, Lebron, Bill Russell, Kidd, Kareem etc are all time greats

The fact that no current, past, or younger player idolizes Lebron, & he gets disrespected by players from other leagues should give u a hint..

People see him as a soft cry baby with no killer instinct, no footwork, no jumper, etc and had to join super teams to win Titles in a horrible conference

 

[cleanface coney]

the most successful people in life are kobe fans


kyrie irving, paul george, russell simmons, malcolm x, lupe fiasco, dame dash, denzel washington the list goes on...

this all facts too