Cavs fire JB Bickerstaff

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Bad decision.

They were injured and played up and over their expectations.

This was a piss poor decision.
Before injuryvthia team was scary.

Only issue was he never utilized bates. When he should have and could have had better results.




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You have posters on here who believe Mitch is one of the reasons Evan isn’t elevating

So unless you think he can be your best player on a title team they are screwed.
Well that trade did accelerate his offensive timeline and a few of us said that from the beginning it wasn’t a win now team that was a Mitchell trade away from getting over the hump. Granted, it also doesn’t help that other dudes on that team like Okoro haven’t taken the leap as well.
 

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This has the same energy as the Lions firing Jim Caldwell and replacing him with Matt Patricia.

That team made it as far as they could given the roster. Anyone could nitpick the coach, but making the final four was the peak of what they were capable of. The next coach is gonna look stupid if he doesn't make it past the first round.
 

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For the ones who truly follow the Cavs, we knew this move had to be made in order to make the roster better. There was a clear ceiling with JB and it show during this season. A part of it was due to roster construction but we all know that Koby wasn't going to fire himself for his goof up with building this team. At the same time, it was clear that Mobley and Garland were not developing and something needed to be change since that was JB responsibility.

For those who don't follow the Cavs on the regular, why the team should be contempt in just making the playoffs? JB is not a bad guy but he shown his limitations this year. The goal for most teams is to win a championship and JB wasn't going to be that guy that does it anytime soon. Cleveland have some pieces to make a run so they should go after it and get the best people to coach them. It guess since the city is not a big market, others just want it just to be an afterthought and everyone should be happy just to be in the discussion :beli: .

When has it ever been the coach's job to develop a player? it's the player's job to develop on their own, and show that to the coach/staff so that they can be used accordingly for the team philosophy to try to win games. How is it JB's fault dude is the same exact player now that he was as a rookie?

The truth is that Mobley isn't going to be a great player. He doesn't have a real position, half the time he wants to play like Durant, the other half he plays like generic finishing Center. He actually reminds me of Hakim Warrick, who also suffered from not having a true position, but was a good rotational player.

The Cavs roster doesn't fit. That ain't on JB. Hell, it's a miracle he got as many wins as he did from that roster.
 

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When has it ever been the coach's job to develop a player? it's the player's job to develop on their own, and show that to the coach/staff so that they can be used accordingly for the team philosophy to try to win games. How is it JB's fault dude is the same exact player now that he was as a rookie?

The truth is that Mobley isn't going to be a great player. He doesn't have a real position, half the time he wants to play like Durant, the other half he plays like generic finishing Center. He actually reminds me of Hakim Warrick, who also suffered from not having a true position, but was a good rotational player.

The Cavs roster doesn't fit. That ain't on JB. Hell, it's a miracle he got as many wins as he did from that roster.
NBA talk these days I tell you :mjlol:
 

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I was never sold on his leadership skills but I really felt he did good with rotations and getting the most out of the entire roster. Didn't deserve to be fired at all
 

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When has it ever been the coach's job to develop a player? it's the player's job to develop on their own, and show that to the coach/staff so that they can be used accordingly for the team philosophy to try to win games. How is it JB's fault dude is the same exact player now that he was as a rookie?

The truth is that Mobley isn't going to be a great player. He doesn't have a real position, half the time he wants to play like Durant, the other half he plays like generic finishing Center. He actually reminds me of Hakim Warrick, who also suffered from not having a true position, but was a good rotational player.

The Cavs roster doesn't fit. That ain't on JB. Hell, it's a miracle he got as many wins as he did from that roster.
Plays like Durant? Man stop:russ::deadrose:

Mobley is a defensive guy who is also an offensive hub when used correctly on offense. He’s been placed in a garbage man position which is one of the main reasons Bickerstaff lost his job. Guys like Mitchell, Allen & Strus were on Bickerstaff ass due to not utilizing Mobley correctly. Do yourself a favor and watch more games. You’ll be surprised.
 

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Plays like Durant? Man stop:russ::deadrose:

Mobley is a defensive guy who is also an offensive hub when used correctly on offense. He’s been placed in a garbage man position which is one of the main reasons Bickerstaff lost his job. Guys like Mitchell, Allen & Strus were on Bickerstaff ass due to not utilizing Mobley correctly. Do yourself a favor and watch more games. You’ll be surprised.
He wants to bring the ball up and shoot jumpshots, does he not? He tries to fill that "stretch 4" role, at times. I do watch the games, but every time I watch, I say why is he trying to bring the ball up? I watched maybe 10 Cavs games this year. Of course, he didn't play in all of them, so a lot of what I say is from last year. Why is he trying to handle the ball? Why is he tryna pass like Draymond? Occasionally, he'll score on from a post position, but the rest is rolling and putbacks. But he's not really a defensive guy either. He's not really a shotblocker, and he's what 6-10/6-11, but plays defense on the perimeter. Jarret Allen is probably their best defender, at least from a big man, and he's not really a shotblocker either. And they are mostly identical in frame, defensive styles, rebounding ability.

So how do you use him? What position does he play? Is he a stretch 4? Is he going to play down low? Is he a screen/roller, and if so, what do you do with Jarrett Allen? JB has been the coach Mobley's entire time there, and when y'all were calling him a bright spot rookie year, to now say he's not being used correctly, when he plays the exact same way. AND if he's a defensive hub, that's on him to make his presence felt. I'm old school. No matter how you're being used on offense, no one can affect your defensive tenacity. I think Jarrett shows more effort there.

And then there's the problem of Donovan & Garland. The roster doen't fit. You have 2 combo guards in the backcourt, and 2 lanky bigs, but at least Jarrett doesn't shoot Js. He knows where role lies.
 

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He wants to bring the ball up and shoot jumpshots, does he not? He tries to fill that "stretch 4" role, at times. I do watch the games, but every time I watch, I say why is he trying to bring the ball up? I watched maybe 10 Cavs games this year. Of course, he didn't play in all of them, so a lot of what I say is from last year. Why is he trying to handle the ball? Why is he tryna pass like Draymond? Occasionally, he'll score on from a post position, but the rest is rolling and putbacks. But he's not really a defensive guy either. He's not really a shotblocker, and he's what 6-10/6-11, but plays defense on the perimeter. Jarret Allen is probably their best defender, at least from a big man, and he's not really a shotblocker either. And they are mostly identical in frame, defensive styles, rebounding ability.

So how do you use him? What position does he play? Is he a stretch 4? Is he going to play down low? Is he a screen/roller, and if so, what do you do with Jarrett Allen? JB has been the coach Mobley's entire time there, and when y'all were calling him a bright spot rookie year, to now say he's not being used correctly, when he plays the exact same way. AND if he's a defensive hub, that's on him to make his presence felt. I'm old school. No matter how you're being used on offense, no one can affect your defensive tenacity. I think Jarrett shows more effort there.

And then there's the problem of Donovan & Garland. The roster doen't fit. You have 2 combo guards in the backcourt, and 2 lanky bigs, but at least Jarrett doesn't shoot Js. He knows where role lies.
fukk all that.

What's up with you saying that "When has it ever been the coach's job to develop a player?" :mjlol:
 
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