Certain rappers would benefit from being in a REAL group

[Pinyapplesuckas]

I know, right?

Shout-out to whoever said Wiz & Spitta. At the very least, it'd be cool if a few rappers started forming groups in the vein of Gangstarr/Kids In The Hall/NWA where they joined up, found a producer/beat-maker and did everything with them.

if they stay indie and tour they can still profit and do their solo shyt too

 

[EA]

Rappers starting off in groups certainly does benefit them, IMO. It helps them learn how to craft songs better so they're better songwriters when they decide to do solo projects rather than just being good rappers. Elzhi & Von Pea come to mind.

 

[call_me_step_daddy]

And most of you nikkas in here sound like 40 year old dusty nikkas from the Bronx trying to relive "glory days" or somethin'.

Hip-Hop groups are lame and no one wants to hear that shyt.

Was it some sort of survey made asking the people if they disliked rap groups? If so then please direct me to it so i can get a better understanding of what the fukk you talking about

 

[Ultimate Warrior]

I remember nikkas sayin watch the throne would be some goat shyt,I remember thinkin the long overdue e40 too short collabo would be some goat shyt...but nah

Its easy to say these dudes would benefit,but I think your math of putting 2 or 3 mediocre nikkas together to join forces to equal greatness is sketchy....when we've seen greatness group up and not match their solo level talent.

These dudes should be backup to a frontman,but they'd need a group where there's a clear star to interest me I think....only person who we can say fits this theory for sure is Pusha T...but I didn't like him in the Clipse either,I considered him the backup for Malice.

**snorts 28seconds**

Jive didnt know they couldve made more money with e-40 and too short, when they was moving,same with spice 1 and e-40, that was a collab album long over due...

same with eiht n spice, but jive didnt let alot of ther artist work with other labels, only rapper who had alot of freedom to do it was mystikal, only because he was making jive n no limit money together, and p up some money to get a piece of him.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

And most of you nikkas in here sound like 40 year old dusty nikkas from the Bronx trying to relive "glory days" or somethin'.

Hip-Hop groups are lame and no one wants to hear that shyt.

How are they lame? Bone and wu still sell out shows, Kast, ATCQ, de la soul, nwa, EPMD , mobb deep, dogg pound, etc are some of the best to do it/most iconic folks. You're reaching real hard, acting like rap groups/duos was a bunch of nikkas with coordinated outfits doing dance routines

You telling me a nikka like French Montana who has 1-3 guest spots per song is any different than him having a group member or two that he formally raps with? Stop it

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

slaughterhouse signing to shady/interscope, trying their damnedest to go mainstream...and still flopping...killed any chance of this happening

Like I said, my thoughts in this thread aren't about linking up current sub-par artists, it's morso about why these types of dudes, and young cats in general, don't have groups anymore when it's evident their skill is limited and would be better served in a group. The money is funny, I know, but some dudes know they'll never be mainstream anyway and could afford the group format

 

[CrimsonTider]

Nuh uh. Is it better to make $0 as a solo artist or a couple of dollars in a group

Here is the problem in a nutshell... rap used to be SKILL driven... in that context a group dynamic made sense, you and your boys would go back and forth and push each other skill wise

Now rap is EGO driven... so you have fakkits like Drake scared to be on tracks with nikkas who go harder than him. Everyone is a CEO. "This to all my enemies who see me gettin guap right now" - Big Shenehneh.

BUT, the wool is finally being pulled off of the rap community's eyes. We transitioned out of an era where if you said you were nice, you had to be nice... to an era where you were nice if you said you were and didn't have to prove or defend that claim. Duckworth for getting nikkas back on their toes

Rap was never skill driven

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

I remember nikkas sayin watch the throne would be some goat shyt,I remember thinkin the long overdue e40 too short collabo would be some goat shyt...but nah

Its easy to say these dudes would benefit,but I think your math of putting 2 or 3 mediocre nikkas together to join forces to equal greatness is sketchy....when we've seen greatness group up and not match their solo level talent.

These dudes should be backup to a frontman,but they'd need a group where there's a clear star to interest me I think....only person who we can say fits this theory for sure is Pusha T...but I didn't like him in the Clipse either,I considered him the backup for Malice.

See above reply"..I'm talking organic people you came up with. big sean might actually be the highlight of a duo or group had he been in one, I'm not trying to clique him up with other established flop artists now, just saying young cats need to have self awareness and start thinking about thes cats around their way or their homies that they work well with and stop thinking everyone is meant to be a solo artist.

 

[DaChampIsHere]

Was it some sort of survey made asking the people if they disliked rap groups? If so then please direct me to it so i can get a better understanding of what the fukk you talking about

I'm saying if a rappers career is so shytty that he would benefit from being in something that has proven not to be successful in today's time (a) how beneficial would that really be (b) that rapper is really fukking wack

How are they lame? Bone and wu still sell out shows, Kast, ATCQ, de la soul, nwa, EPMD , mobb deep, dogg pound, etc are some of the best to do it/most iconic folks

And they already have fan bases. Today, with a new group, that shyt is not gonna pop off.


If you put a whole bunch of shyt together it ain't gonna magically smell good my nikka

 

[Still Benefited]

See above reply"..I'm talking organic people you came up with. big sean might actually be the highlight of a duo or group had he been in one, I'm not trying to clique him up with other established flop artists now, just saying young cats need to have self awareness and start thinking about thes cats around their way or their homies that they work well with and stop thinking everyone is meant to be a solo artist.

He could make himself sound better by surrounding himself lesser talented homies then himself who MAYBE help him make more organic and better music,but then you'd have the problem of hearing the wack homeboys he came up with,and you'll be thinking "I wish only big sean was on this song"

So it could go either way imo....I think we need more producers in the game,not dudes who just make beats but those guys who could give a artisict direction,focus and make album not sound like its all over the place...and tell a artist when something is not meeting a certain standard and needs work....and some of these dudes just shouldn't be on like they are on...and should be local talent

I see what you sayin better now though,I just barely wanna hear these nikkas by theyself,letalong with other wacker nikkas

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

He could make himself sound better by surrounding himself lesser talented homies then himself who MAYBE help him make more organic and better music,but then you'd have the problem of hearing the wack homeboys he came up with,and you'll be thinking "I wish only big sean was on this song"

So it could go either way imo....I think we need more producers in the game,not dudes who just make beats but those guys who could give a artisict direction,focus and make album not sound like its all over the place...and tell a artist when something is not meeting a certain standard and needs work....and some of these dudes just shouldn't be on like they are on...and should be local talent

I see what you sayin better now though,I just barely wanna hear these nikkas by theyself,letalong with other wacker nikkas

I mean, that wouldn't be a bad thing. Look at Dogg Pound...Kurupt was clearly the better rapper, and because of his group work he was able to then drop solos that people actually wanted, wheras if he came on the scene solo it'd be ehhh. While Daz was the weaker lyricist, he produced and also just kept it real ignorant...like Pimp C kinda, so sometimes these lesser dudes bring some balance/layering that adds a different dynamic to the "star" artist.

I completely agree with the having your producer/DJ that gives you your sound and helps provide direction, that was crucial back in the day and is one of the reasons I think drake is able to make the music he does, 40 is his primo/Erik sermon/Ali shaheed etc

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

I agree with the thread. A lot of dudes ain't built to carry whole songs let alone a mixtape or album. French Montana is a good example, because if he was really anything special he'd have a lot more solo songs as singles than all the manufactured as collabs that Puff throws together that usually involve some sort of combination of Ross, Wayne, Drake, or etc..

I understand that you can't always manufacture a group, because the chemistry has to be right. Jay and Kanye are aight has a duo, but they should have never been a group. The real group should have been Beans, Hov, and Scarface since all their songs together were dope. Let Kanye and Just do the beats and you would have had at least a pretty decent album back then but it never happened.

Westside Connection was dope and all them dudes meshed well and even the Firm was straight, it's just that their album ending ending up being decent instead of the classic everyone wanted.

Groups can work, they just have to be done right especially with the timing. Slaughterhouse could have worked. The 1st album was aight, but the musical direction for the 2nd one was forced which kinda killed the chemistry and vibe it could have had.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

I'm saying if a rappers career is so shytty that he would benefit from being in something that has proven not to be successful in today's time (a) how beneficial would that really be (b) that rapper is really fukking wack


And they already have fan bases. Today, with a new group, that shyt is not gonna pop off.


If you put a whole bunch of shyt together it ain't gonna magically smell good my nikka

I've made it clear in multiple posts i was never talking about current garbage artists cliquing up. I'm talking in general these young cats don't have solo star power and should consider being in a group and not trying to be a solo artist out the gate...half of them have no name "crew mates" they rap with in the first place, why not take the best 2-3 guys and be a group instead of having three struggle artists. ASAP Mob is a prime example, rocky has done ok solo, but nikkas like twelvy and nast trying to be solo acts as well when they should just be a formal duo and call it a day.

 

[Pest]

as in? i know a lot of dudes like him...and it may be that he's not my cup of tea...but dude would be much better as a complimentary piece of a duo or trio, his different sound would compliment a pure spitter. his uniqueness is not enjoyable for a full album's worth of material in the same way cudi is

Fair enough, but I definitely think you're in the minority based in how much positive response he got from Acid Rap

 

[DaChampIsHere]

I've made it clear in multiple posts i was never talking about current garbage artists cliquing up. I'm talking in general these young cats don't have solo star power and should consider being in a group and not trying to be a solo artist out the gate...half of them have no name "crew mates" they rap with in the first place, why not take the best 2-3 guys and be a group instead of having three struggle artists. ASAP Mob is a prime example, rocky has done ok solo, but nikkas like twelvy and nast trying to be solo acts as well when they should just be a formal duo and call it a day.

I get exactly what you are saying, all I'm saying is just because you combine two pieces of shyt together doesn't mean it's an any more desirable 2 pieces of shyt.

The bolded would still fail because they are piece of shyt rappers.

If something taste really really bad and then there's something else that tastes really bad, would combining them together in a package at a cheaper rate really make you want to eat/buy it? No.