CFOs Looking To Make Remote Work, Telecommuting More Permanent Following COVID-19, Says Gartner Stud

[EndDomination]

Shorter workdays, shorter workweeks, telecommuting, and the elimination of useless management staff has been easily available for the last 40+ years.

It was pure corporate stupidity that kept the present system in place.

I suggest everyone reads Bullshyt Jobs by David Graeber.

 

[EndDomination]

Been saying this. Corona will be seen as a blessing (you know what I mean) by many of the largest businesses for a few reasons. One is that overhead can be a little lower going forward if you no longer have to house/feed etc employees at a large corporate office.

Secondly is that millions of those laid off will never be rehired.

I wouldn't call it a blessing - its just highlighting what rational people have been saying for decades.
And there will be permanent lay-offs. Either the state and national governments have to step in and form new sectors (there is plenty of "necessary" work that should be fulfilled, like infrastructure and telecommunications building, healthcare, etc.) or UBI will be a necessity.

Some people will welcome this, but permanent WFH ain’t for everybody. The rapport, trust and even friendship with coworkers suffers. If you dont care about that, cool. But employees also better make sure they’re not getting shafted in this - there should be some form of internet, cell payment, allowance for ergonomic office furniture, and people better know how to write it off on their taxes - this matters because your utilities go up, you end up using more paper products, etc the little expenses add up

The thing is, we've had the space for independent workspaces and public workspaces for a century now - the office doesn't have to be a central building, public infrastructure should have focused on this decades ago instead of suburbanization.

 

[iceberg_is_on_fire]

That’s what I need the most. If I can get my home office set up with the double monitors and shyt, I’ll gladly work from home for the rest of my career.

You don't need much, I have the dual display running from my laptop

 

[EndDomination]

Yep, depends on your function/industry. I find certain aspects of my marketing job hard to do remotely, nothing beats being in a room with folks and whiteboarding or drawing out campaign flows, timelines, more spontaneous brainstorming that’s easier to hear. It’s a hassle to try to get everything into a google slide or doc to provide something for people to follow along with

Y’all keep seeing only the upside, as someone who worked remotely before this, there is a downside. I do think its great for parents or experienced workers (15+ years into their career) but the young 21 to early 30’s workforce loses a lot from completely losing the office experience, and not just social, it affects visibility, networking and mentorship which of course then impacts growth and promotion.

I’m all for providing more flexibility because I know there were a lot of companies pumpfaking on their employees working from home, but everyone 2-5 weeks into this is still in the honeymoon stage

Public workspaces.

Think of the tech campuses like Stanford - without the NIMBYism and the brutal real-estate expansion obsessiveness.

I've walked in a random indie-coffeeshop (before the crisis) and 1/2 the shoppe is people working and chatting, the other half is just people chatting.

 

[Atlrocafella]

You don't need much, I have the dual display running from my laptop

Exactly what a nikka needs. I need a desk and desk chair as well, I don’t have that in my apartment. I also need to company to let us print from our own person printers, but I doubt the bank would go for that

 

[goatmane]

Yall are short sighted for praising this

We will be on call smh

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Public workspaces.

Think of the tech campuses like Stanford - without the NIMBYism and the brutal real-estate expansion obsessiveness.

I've walked in a random indie-coffeeshop (before the crisis) and 1/2 the shoppe is people working and chatting, the other half is just people chatting.

I’m a remote worker, that’s not the same as interacting at work with coworkers, superiors, etc. if you just want white noise and someone to chat with, cool, but there are definitely instances where being in person with the people you work with is better.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Yall are short sighted for praising this

We will be on call smh

Yea, I didn’t even touch on that. There are days I’m in meetings at 7am and don’t log off until 6...and of course there are days where you bullshyt half the day. But just like when companies started giving out laptops and phones they wanted more from you, if everyone has a couple extra hours due to “no commute”, they’ll expect you to be available

 

[the cac mamba]

Y’all keep seeing only the upside, as someone who worked remotely before this, there is a downside. I do think its great for parents or experienced workers (15+ years into their career) but the young 21 to early 30’s workforce loses a lot from completely losing the office experience, and not just social, it affects visibility, networking and mentorship which of course then impacts growth and promotion.

I’m all for providing more flexibility because I know there were a lot of companies pumpfaking on their employees working from home, but everyone 2-5 weeks into this is still in the honeymoon stage

i turn my heat off in the winter when i leave the apartment, and turn the AC off in the summer. my bills would be if i was working from home all day

 

[iceberg_is_on_fire]

Exactly what a nikka needs. I need a desk and desk chair as well, I don’t have that in my apartment. I also need to company to let us print from our own person printers, but I doubt the bank would go for that

Probably not, but like us, I can print checks from my home printer if I needed to. We already have check stock and I just need the CFO or CEO to sign. The fact that we can't digitally sign is another thing but we can print all that we need.

 

[iceberg_is_on_fire]

Yea, I didn’t even touch on that. There are days I’m in meetings at 7am and don’t log off until 6...and of course there are days where you bullshyt half the day. But just like when companies started giving out laptops and phones they wanted more from you, if everyone has a couple extra hours due to “no commute”, they’ll expect you to be available

On the other hand, wheredeydodatat with them chill days, lol. My day consisted of talks with my accounts payable clerk, my accountants and in light of all of it, the CFO is asking me about closing the month of March and its books. Some jobs are more essential to a company than others and yeah, that work from the crib shyt sucks but I rationalize it like this, the amount that they pay me means that I've voluntarily (by accepting the job) given up some of my time for the cause. I'm the 6th highest paid person in the organization, if I don't give my time, who does? Only people that have to fly close to the sun should have to commit extra time.

 

[Serious]

I hate working from home

What good is it if I can't do shyt like go shopping when there's no lines or leave work early to go to a game

I cant even go to the gym.

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

Part of my job is to measure efficiency, the people here have become more efficient since being at home. I’ve been trying to drive this point so that we will actually embrace WFH in the future.


I’ve been loving it, it’s like a second paternity leave for me. I miss my three screen setup but that’s about it.

 

[Json]

I’m a remote worker, that’s not the same as interacting at work with coworkers, superiors, etc. if you just want white noise and someone to chat with, cool, but there are definitely instances where being in person with the people you work with is better.

But I think the difference will be going forward is the headwinds to keeping people from not being in a cubicle will be lowered.

I mean if more people are doing “freelance” work then what is the point of penalizing freelancers in providing healthcare or unemployment benefits?

Being in an office meant the company owned your time. If you can do account billing and your Amazon store at the same time, the government should change its definitions.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

But I think the difference will be going forward is the headwinds to keeping people from not being in a cubicle will be lowered.

I mean if more people are doing “freelance” work then what is the point of penalizing freelancers in providing healthcare or unemployment benefits?

Being in an office meant the company owned your time. If you can do account billing and your Amazon store at the same time, the government should change its definitions.

You’re making separate arguments. If you’re a FT employee, the company still owns your time, if you’re a freelancer with more autonomy to decide hours, cool. But I don’t see a situation where more companies decide to provide benefits to freelance workers, that’s the whole reason they use freelancers, not to have to provide health, retirement, stock, life insurance, etc.