Charlamagne: Ether was corny

[KiD WavE]

i went back and listened and revisited the whole era.

nas won the battle in the eyes of the vast majority of rap fans and even jay conceded victory.

but, i base my opinion that jay won on one thing. when 2 people diss each other, whether in rap or just playing the dozens, the crowd's reaction is just one way to measure the fight. its the most used barometer and rightly so.

BUT

an underrated barometer is "who got angrier?". i cant say for sure because i dont know either of them, but i think being told that your baby mother is a whore after it was publicized that she was cheating on u would make a man angrier than being called a fakkit, soft, or a wack rapper. again im just speculating, but judging as a man, nothing nas said to jay z would make me as angry as shyt jay said to nas. u can even tell by the way he started ether. "i been fukked over left for dead dissed and forgotten" << words of a pissed off man. type of shyt nikkas that come out of jail say cause nobody was visiting them

nas won the rap battle tho so

but we all know he was mad as fukk

Jay got on the radio and cried ....

 

[beanz]

Jay got on the radio and cried ....

did he really cry? it sounded like more of a " he got me good. i didnt expect that i thought he was but he proved me wrong "

 

[360dagod]

Jay got on the radio and cried ....

That nikka sounded like his father told him he wasn't shyt and disowned him...

 

[beenz]

he said ether was mostly playground insults like big lips, gay, aids, camel etc. while takeover was facts only

I tend to agree with this. and I have been saying this shyt for over 10 years.

 

[Art Barr]

Didn't he bite something from you?

I swear that Culture Vulture shyt originated here....

Nobody kn the internet was saying culture thief, or employing the word culture as it pertained to hip hop but:

Art Barr

people have amalgamated or used my verbiage all over the internet.
I know that for a fact.
deflection, culture, culture thief are easily three words/verbiage I know I made staples across the internet.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

true

joints such as Real Muthaphuckkin' G's, No Vaseline, King of the Hill, Truth, bytches ain't shyt, No rest for the wicked, Nail in the coffin, Life's on the line, Bully, Hollow thru him, So disrespectful, etc.

All way better disses

no vaseline is the only diss, you posted.
I can say is better than ether.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

The illogic of Pac stans rears it's head again.

So according to him hit em up is the so called best diss record of all time but ether is overrated because nas was angry & it was devoid of facts? lol. Hit em up is devoid of any facts what so ever, the bars are trash & the biggest quoteables are Pacs trash talkin when he was mad as fukk. Ether shyts on Hit em up.

hit'em up is only profound because of what it took to get the recording actually to exist.
considering , to supposedly was eaten alive on reel to reel and supposedly had to be retaped back together like humpty dumpty for it to see the light of day.
past, that hit em up is no great achievement as a diss record.


Art Barr

 

[BreezyH]

we got the term "ether"
dudes started stalking about who killed who on tracks
camel reference went mainstream
hov was doing boxing classes?
foxy was hotter
hov resorted to bringing in the baby moms
revived Nas' entire career


Nasir w/ the flawless victory

 

[eerieBell]

no vaseline is the only diss, you posted.
I can say is better than ether.


Art Barr

yeah dem opinions and shyt, entire thread is based on opinions and nothing else

 

[Art Barr]

yeah dem opinions and shyt, entire thread is based on opinions and nothing else

I would like to see you factually authentic those other songs over ether, culturally.
you would fail on epic proportions.

Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

Nobody kn the internet was saying culture thief, or employing the word culture as it pertained to hip hop but:

Art Barr

people have amalgamated or used my verbiage all over the internet.
I know that for a fact.
deflection, culture, culture thief are easily three words/verbiage I know I made staples across the internet.


Art Barr

we can also add: Narcissism

to that list of words and verbiage, too


Art Barr

 

[360dagod]

I can imagine Jay looking at Beans in the studio like

 

[MartyMcFly]

nas really fukked with beyonce? never heard about that

That's the rumor going back to the You Owe Me video. They were label mates at the time too so there were always whispers of them smashing. I don't know if its true though I'm sure someone else here can speak on that though

 

[Art Barr]

I wont try to rewrite history,popular opinion is Nas won and even though I think Takeover is the better diss song in terms of Jay having some crazy concepts and the amount of true disrespect and vulgarness of it....Nas starts off cryin about Jay turning his back on em and betraying him like they was homies and business partners? THen you get jokes about his mustache and bein ugly even though he fukked ya bytch?


Then theres that black cloud over either,not really a cloud since not many people think so..but I feel like one great day Jaz will come out and tell us just how much he played a part in writing this song....some of the bars in Ether just sound like its from Jaz perspective verses it being from Nas...but that aside I will say Nas basically took a page out of Jays book and beat Jay Jay by performing Ether in the same disrespectful downtalking tone Jay made famous at the time.

Jayz coming back with SUperUgly so quick just looked desperate and they surprise and hype of Ether hadn't died down yet....the fact he took Jay out of his ice cold persona he built for himself and reply so quick outta desperation like he cared makes you have to give it to Nas...even though im sure he cared his persona at the time says he was supposed to act like he didnt....im not even mad at folks givin it to Nas like that no more,but I refuse to let you coward Nas fans rewrite history and act like Jay got washed....That one Takeover verse alone

again, gateway fans were not really dialed into this battle.
nas, was already winning this battle from activity beforehand.
jay, just did not know how to battle and was playing silent pr gamesmanship and cowardly heel ducking methods.
which is what cost him, in the long run on more than one plane.
as, he let nas build up effective ink.
plus, it showed that jay really did not have good control and cultural aptitude fully as an emcee.
which, if we actually do the history continues to play out clear as day.


takeover, is overrated and really only pops the crowd because it finally was the first time we got to hear jay battle worthy competition instead of Harlem world huff rappers.
or, weak ass ran out of Harlem versions of mase.
yet, it backfired and we saw the end result.

only reason his ducking shyt works or ducking works now, is the cultural mechanism are so damaged beyond repair.
that payola superceded skills in rap.
yet, ether was the last period where skills were championed.
yet, nas is rap's biggest skilled sellout in history.
so, he was also, the benefactor of selling out in perception on all accords from fans to corporate outlets as well.


Art Barr

 

[Won Won]

we can also add: Narcissism

to that list of words and verbiage, too


Art Barr