Charles Barkley does have a point. The NBA is going through a transition phase

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Point guards not named Stockton,Kidd,Hardaway,Payton ot K.J.

1995-96 stats:

T.Hardaway:15.2/8.0a(post knee injury)
Stoudamire:19.0p/9.3a/43%fg
Strickland:18.7p/9.6a/47%fg
M,Jackson:10.0p/7.8a/3-1 asst/to ratio
A.Johnson:13.1p/9.6a/49%fg
M.Blaylock;15.7p/5.9a/2.6s
K.Anderson:15.3p/8.0a(post wrist injury)
T.Brandon:19.3p/6.5a/46%fg
Van Exel:14.9p/6.9a

That's quality depth at the PG position.
Point guards not named Steph, Westbrook, Harden, CP3, Kyrie

Damian Lillard | 27/4.5./6.5
Isaiah Thomas | 28/3/6
John Wall | 23.5/4.5/10
Kyle Lowry | 22/5/7.5
Kemba Walker | 22/4/5.5
Mike Conley | 18/3/6
Eric Bledsoe | 20/5/6
Goran Dragic | 19/4/7
Dennis Shroeder | 17.5/3/6
George Hill | 20/4/4
Derrick Rose | 18/4/4

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Lebron was not the best player in his 2nd year, stop it. With players in 2005 like Duncan, Kobe, Shaq, Dirk, KG, Iverson, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, etc etc
Nobody is the best player in their 2nd season. Not Lebron, not Jordan in his 2nd year, not Shaq in his 2nd year

That's the problem with the NBA media, always propping up young talent like they are the best in the NBA when they aren't even close to being ready
Same like when they were propping up Magic in his rookie season when the Lakers won the title in 1980. Like "Omg he dominated in all positions", like Kareem wasn't dominating the entire series and the reason they even got to a game 5

Or like the whole "Next Jordan" phase. Propping up a young Kobe like he was a top player in 1998, same time he was throwing airballs against the Jazz in the playoffs

These young players ain't reach their prime yet, which is why the whole league is lackluster. Most of the players currently in their prime are average. Lebron, Melo, Wade, and Chris Paul can't carry the league forever unfortunately
You really think Ray Allen was better than a second year LeBron? :lolbron:

Man, there's levels to this shi*t only select players in history could lead that '05 Cavaliers squad to an over .500 record and no version of Ray Allen is one of those players c'mon now :martin:

LeBron, Melo, Wade, CP3 aren't carrying the league. Everybody knows Wade and Melo are :flabbynsick: giving their last few solid years while CP3 and LBJ are still upper echelon.

I guess Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, Steph Curry, James Harden, Kawhi Leonard, Anthony Davis, Paul George, etc. these guys are just average :what:
 

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Point guards not named Steph, Westbrook, Harden, CP3, Kyrie

Damian Lillard | 27/4.5./6.5
Isaiah Thomas | 28/3/6
John Wall | 23.5/4.5/10
Kyle Lowry | 22/5/7.5
Kemba Walker | 22/4/5.5
Mike Conley | 18/3/6
Eric Bledsoe | 20/5/6
Goran Dragic | 19/4/7
Dennis Shroeder | 17.5/3/6
George Hill | 20/4/4
Derrick Rose | 18/4/4

:mjlol:

I would classify some of these players as small shooting guards.How many of these players can you trust to make the right decision late in a playoff game ?
 

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You really think Ray Allen was better than a second year LeBron? :lolbron:

Man, there's levels to this shi*t only select players in history could lead that '05 Cavaliers squad to an over .500 record and no version of Ray Allen is one of those players c'mon now :martin:

LeBron, Melo, Wade, CP3 aren't carrying the league. Everybody knows Wade and Melo are :flabbynsick: giving their last few solid years while CP3 and LBJ are still upper echelon.

I guess Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, Steph Curry, James Harden, Kawhi Leonard, Anthony Davis, Paul George, etc. these guys are just average :what:


Look at your response :hhh:

It's like you have no idea how basketball works. Lebron at his 2nd year in the league is a young athletic marvel with 0 experience on how to run a team, and little BBQ when it comes to court awareness and how to react to certain situations. Chancey Billups in 2005 was also a better then Lebron. He knows how to lead a team, scores points when it counts, understands and reads defenses and it's schemes, knows what to do in the Final 2 minutes.

Would Lebron one day be head and shoulders above Billups once he reaches his prime? Obviously

You sound like all you do is watch Sportscenter, see the highlights and think someone like Ray Allen can't possibly be better than a youngster with 0 basketball experience who can jump out the gym. I can tell you'll be a great coach in the league


And at the 2nd bolded statement. I just said Kawhi and Anthony Davis shouldn't be included in that group because although great, they are not in their primes yet. And I said MOST of the players in their prime now are average. The ones you named are the ones that are superstars

Damn, where is your reading comprehension :mindblown:
 
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what a shyt post/thread :mjlol: Never had the nba had so much talent. Does it have 4 top 10 all time players? No. But there's a lot more 2nd tier(all time) superstars. Kobe, Shaq and Duncan saved us from mediocrity the last generation :russ:
No to the bold but the league is in a very good place
 

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Point guards not named Steph, Westbrook, Harden, CP3, Kyrie

Damian Lillard | 27/4.5./6.5
Isaiah Thomas | 28/3/6
John Wall | 23.5/4.5/10
Kyle Lowry | 22/5/7.5
Kemba Walker | 22/4/5.5
Mike Conley | 18/3/6
Eric Bledsoe | 20/5/6
Goran Dragic | 19/4/7
Dennis Shroeder | 17.5/3/6
George Hill | 20/4/4
Derrick Rose | 18/4/4

:mjlol:
The game is much more PG centric now
 

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i would agree there some great superstars playing now but what the jordan era had and what the young guys dont have is good role players on teams. now a team might have a star on the team and thats it. the drop off between star and role is to big. thats y you only have maybe 4 or five teams that can try to compete for a championshp team like golden state spurs clippers cavs.
 

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Look at your response :hhh:

It's like you have no idea how basketball works. Lebron at his 2nd year in the league is a young athletic marvel with 0 experience on how to run a team, and little BBQ when it comes to court awareness and how to react to certain situations. Chancey Billups in 2005 was also a better then Lebron. He knows how to lead a team, scores points when it counts, understands and reads defenses and it's schemes, knows what to do in the Finals 2 minutes.

Would Lebron one day be head and shoulders above Billups once he reaches his prime? Obviously

You sound like all you do is watch Sportscenter, see the highlights and think someone like Ray Allen can't possibly be better than a youngster with 0 basketball experience who can jump out the gym. I can tell you'll be a great coach in the league


And at the 2nd bolded statement. I just said Kawhi and Anthony Davis should be included in that group because although great, they are not in their primes yet. And I said MOST of the players in their prime now are average. The ones you named are the ones that are superstars

Damn, where is your reading comprehension :mindblown:
Billups was not better than LeBron you can't be serious. LeBron does not need experience his basketball I.Q. and skill set is already head and shoulders above Billups. He was already an expert at reading defenses as a second year player, a flat-out better passer. Are you serious right now? LeBron can just make more happen on a basketball court than Billups ever could. This is a ludicrous statement.

Name these average players who are you talking about specifically. John Wall, DeMarcus Cousins, Blake Griffin. Those are some guys after the tier of superstars I mentioned. Who are you talking about? Your mans just dropped a list with every elite to average player in the 90's. Y'all are hyping up nikkas like Vin Baker and John Starks c'mon son.
 
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I would classify some of these players as small shooting guards.How many of these players can you trust to make the right decision late in a playoff game ?
I'll take killers like I.T. and Kemba Walker with the ball late in a game over f*cking Mark Jackson, Avery Johnson, and post-surgery Tim Hardaway dog you can't be serious...
 

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I'll take killers like I.T. and Kemba Walker with the ball late in a game over f*cking Mark Jackson, Avery Johnson, and post-surgery Tim Hardaway dog you can't be serious...

He sad make the right decision, not make the last game shot. I see your reading comprehension strikes again :mjpls:
 

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He sad make the right decision, not make the last game shot. I see your reading comprehension strikes again :mjpls:
What is the right decision :mjpls:

Bullsh*t you can't define :stopitslime:, just something they inherently had since they play the game the good ole way right :mjpls:

You criticizing my reading comprehension but I said nothing about a game winner :mjpls:

Yes, I trust vastly more talented players to make the right decisions and win me games.
 
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When was there in your life time?

Please do not list also ran ass squads that had no shot and would really get exposed in today's league as proof of balance.
The league was balanced from the 80s til around 2010..
 
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