Charlie Kirk (Turning Points USA) shot and killed during event in Utah; Suspect Tyler Robinson charged
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Embarrassing
Just watched Willie D, where he made some interesting observations. So I decided to put his to test.
Prompt, Did Charlie invoke violence with his rhetoric:
There’s no verified record of Charlie Kirk explicitly calling for violence in his rhetoric. However, many of his public statements, writings, and broadcasts have been widely criticized for being inflammatory, demeaning, or dehumanizingtoward certain groups.
Researchers of political communication note that this type of rhetoric — even if it does not directly say “go commit violence” — can:
- Frame groups as enemies or threats (e.g., immigrants, Black activists, LGBTQ people, political opponents).
- Normalize hostility by mocking, dismissing, or delegitimizing entire communities.
- Encourage vigilantism indirectly when combined with conspiracy claims (e.g., “replacement theory,” “tyrannical government”).
Would you like me to pull together a timeline of his most criticized rhetoric and analyze which of them could fall under “stochastic incitement” versus direct incitement?
Prompt, Yes could his rhetoric have anything to do with HBCU bomb threads?
Here’s a clear side-by-side look at Charlie Kirk’s rhetoric vs. extremist narratives that fueled HBCU bomb threats:
| Charlie Kirk’s Rhetoric (Public/Recorded) | Extremist Narratives Linked to HBCU Threats | Overlap / Connection |
|---|---|---|
| Criticizes DEI and Affirmative Action, claiming they “lower standards” and promote “unqualified” people. | Racist framing that Black institutions and students are “undeserving” or “inferior.” | Both delegitimize Black education and leadership. |
| Promotes the “Great Replacement” theory: fear that white Americans are being replaced politically/demographically. | Belief that Black communities and other minorities are being “weaponized” against whites. | Both fuel zero-sum racial thinking and paranoia. |
| Demeans Black leaders, professors, and professionals, questioning their merit. | Threats specifically targeted HBCUs, spaces of Black academic excellence. | Overlap in the idea that Black advancement is a “threat.” |
| Frames America’s struggle as Christian nationalism vs. progressive/“anti-white” forces. | Perpetrators tied their threats to white supremacist and Christian nationalist identities. | Both use racialized religious language of “us vs. them.” |
| Encourages students to “fight back” against liberal professors and institutions (though not explicitly violent). | Threat-makers saw HBCUs as symbols of “liberal” and “racial justice” advancement. | Indirect reinforcement of targeting schools as enemy institutions. |
| Mocking tone toward Black activism and civil rights causes. | Extremists justified bomb threats as a way to “intimidate” Black communities. | Both devalue Black struggles for equality. |
Summary
- No direct link: Charlie Kirk did not tell anyone to call in bomb threats.
- But indirect overlap: His rhetoric reinforces delegitimization, racial resentment, and white victimhood, which are the same ideas extremists used to justify targeting HBCUs.
- This is a classic case of stochastic terrorism: rhetoric raises the probability of violence/threats without a direct call.
Conclusion, Willie D is right.
Here’s a clean table breakdown of Trump’s speech at Charlie Kirk’s funeral through Willie D’s lens, with historical parallels:
| Trump’s Claim / Statement | Willie D’s Analysis | Historical Context / Implication |
|---|---|---|
| Funeral in a stadium, not an arena → “biggest ever” crowd | Turned the funeral into a rally, bragging about crowd size rather than honoring the dead. | Similar to past Trump rallies where personal brand & optics overshadow the event’s purpose. |
| “We ended crime in DC… no robberies, RAPs, burglaries, murders” | Exaggeration; frames himself as savior. Uses fear and false promises of safety. | Politicians historically claim “law and order” victories (e.g., Nixon, Reagan) while ignoring root causes. |
| “We’re coming to Chicago next to clean it up” | Threatening posture—projects himself as enforcer who punishes “corrupt” leaders. | Politicians often target cities with large Black populations to stoke racialized fear. |
| Commentators celebrated Kirk’s death: “We know the names, we’re coming for you” | Thinly veiled threat; dog whistle to his base. | Mirrors McCarthy-era blacklists & far-right “enemy lists” → intimidation tactics. |
| On protesters: “Paid agitators, Antifa terrorists” | Creates scapegoats, delegitimizes dissent. Suggests DOJ will target them. | Historical scapegoating: Civil Rights protesters often called “outside agitators.” |
| “Threats don’t matter, it’s the silent ones who act” | Hidden message: Trump makes loud threats, but his followers act on them. He dog whistles → they execute. | Eerily similar to segregation-era violence (e.g., Birmingham church bombing 1963). Politicians stirred hate, extremists acted. |
| “Never back down, never surrender” | Rallying cry, not mourning. Keeps “fight” alive instead of calming tensions. | Same rhetoric used in populist, fascist, and authoritarian movements to inspire action against “enemies.” |
| Charlie Kirk’s legacy: “He was peaceful” (per wife) vs “Empathy is damaging” (per Kirk himself). | Willie D: Hypocrisy—his movement thrives on hate, but in death people rebrand him as empathetic & peaceful. | Leaders often get sanitized after death, even if their rhetoric fueled division in life. |
| Overall Tone | Trump couldn’t separate politics from mourning. He used the funeral as a stage to escalate culture war & threats. | Dangerous precedent: funerals of political figures become platforms for further division & incitement. |
Do you want me to also make a visual flowchart showing how Trump’s rhetoric → followers’ interpretation → violent outcomes (like the Alabama bombing example)?
End Prompt.
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
FOH with chatgpt posts. Whats wrong with you
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
Not when it’s a titanpostthey're good primers for those unfamiliar with current affairs.
Also what happened to speaking in your own words?
choc_cardigan
Squad
Everyone in this forum knows how to use chatgpt, this must be new creative trolling 
The same could be done without ChatGPT, but it will take a few days or longer to gather the data and order it.
Why not prompt it and let a bot do that task?
Furthermore, I used a chat bot to gather the info, because it’s non-bias. It’s not my opinion, which matters in this case.
This comes from someone who barely can write 3 sentences properly.Everyone in this forum knows how to use chatgpt, this must be new creative trolling
choc_cardigan
Squad
Log off
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
Your question was did Charlie Kirk words evoke violence. That woulda been a 30 second google search and you paraphrasing it in a couple of paragraphs. You’ve just told all of us you are incapable of doing that.
That the master wisdom you’ve got as a rebuttal to what was posted?
Log off?
You probably don’t even know the functionality of AI?
I know you are very simplistic in your reasoning. Everything too complicated becomes a difficult task to you to comprehend.
If it was simple as one sentence, the Chat bot would have answered with one sentence.
Many factors and variables play at part. And that is what ChatGTP explained and showed.
You are too dumb to understand the severity of what is going on now and how dangerous the threat is.
You are ill prepared.
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choc_cardigan
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Log off. Now I'm going to keep responding with log off. Do what you want you want with that information. If you need to, maybe you can ask chatgpt what does log off mean. Then apply it in real life.
