Charlie Kirk (Turning Points USA) shot and killed during event in Utah; Suspect Tyler Robinson charged

[Ish Gibor]

plenty people speaking in their own words posting straight-up misinformation. I appreciate the comprehensive information since some posts contains info I wasn't aware of.

As a matter of fact, ChatGTP fact checks for misinformation and asks you to correct it if needed.

This is what I did with Willie D's stream. I copied the entire transcript and asked ChatGTP to verify it for me, thus came the conclusion that Willie D is correct in his observation.

But most importantly, it gives a non bias evaluation. In the case of Charlie Kirk it made a comparative analysis based bible scripture and came to the conclusion that Charlie Kirk is (was) a judas. This was not my opinion, it was AI, because my opinion would have been seen as bias. Why did I do it? Because these folks try to give him a godly status, which seemed weird to me.

 

[Ish Gibor]

Where does this far right nationalist ideology come from and how is it intersected with fake Christianity?

Far-right nationalist groups and Christianity often intersect in ways that mix political ideology with religious identity. Here’s a structured overview:

1. Core Features of Far-Right Nationalism​

• Ethno-nationalism: Elevates one ethnic or racial group as the “true nation.”
• Authoritarian leanings: Preference for strong leaders, strict social hierarchies, and “law and order.”
• Anti-pluralism: Hostility toward immigrants, minorities, LGBTQ+ people, and dissenting political views.
• Populism: Portrays the nation as being betrayed by elites and under siege by “outsiders.”

2. How Christianity Gets Used​

• Religious Identity Politics: Christianity is framed as the foundation of national identity (“Christian nation” rhetoric).
• Selective Scripture Use: Verses about obedience, order, or exclusion are emphasized, while verses about love, justice, and welcoming strangers are minimized.
• Cultural Christianity vs. Living Faith: Many far-right activists identify as Christian culturally but may not emphasize personal practice or spiritual transformation.
• Civil Religion: Symbols like crosses, biblical language, and church rituals get used more for political legitimacy than theological meaning.

3. Key Themes in the Intersection​

Far-Right Nationalist Theme	Christian Framing Used
Immigration as threat	“Protect Christian heritage from outsiders”
Patriarchy	Biblical gender roles (wives submit, men lead)
Anti-LGBTQ+ stance	“Defending biblical marriage”
Militarism/violence	Crusader imagery, “spiritual warfare” rhetoric
National exceptionalism	“Chosen people” parallels

4. Historical and Contemporary Examples​

• Ku Klux Klan (USA): Claimed to defend “Christian civilization” while carrying out racist terror.
• Nazi Germany: Sought to co-opt Protestant and Catholic institutions under “Positive Christianity,” stripping it of Jewish roots.
• Christian Identity Movement (USA): A racist, extremist theology teaching that white Europeans are God’s chosen people.
• Modern Christian Nationalism (US & Europe): Movements like those around Viktor Orbán in Hungary, or U.S. groups advocating that America should be officially Christian, often blend nationalist politics with religious language.

5. Tensions with Mainstream Christianity​

• Contradiction with Jesus’ Teachings: Love of neighbor, care for the poor, welcoming strangers, peacemaking.
• Church Responses: Many mainstream Christian leaders (Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox) denounce far-right nationalism as a distortion of the Gospel.
• Theological Conflict: Nationalism elevates loyalty to the nation above loyalty to God’s Kingdom, which Christianity traditionally sees as idolatry.

In short: Far-right nationalist groups use Christianity as a cultural identity and political tool, often ignoring or twisting its core teachings. Genuine Christianity stresses humility, compassion, and inclusion, which stand in sharp contrast to exclusionary nationalist ideologies.

Would you like me to make a timeline of how far-right groups have historically tied themselves to Christianity (from the Crusades to today)?

Prompt, yes:

Here’s a timeline showing how far-right nationalist groups have tied themselves to Christianity across history:

Timeline: Far-Right Nationalism & Christianity​

Middle Ages​

• 1096–1291 | Crusades
  – Framed as holy wars to defend Christendom against Islam.
  – Crusader imagery (crosses, knights, “Deus Vult”) still reused by far-right today.
• 1492 | Spanish Inquisition / Reconquista
  – Catholic monarchy tied nationalism to “pure faith.”
  – Expelled Jews and Muslims; religion fused with state identity.

Early Modern Era​

• 1600s | Puritan Colonies in America
  – Saw themselves as a “New Israel,” chosen by God.
  – Seeds of Christian exceptionalism.
• 1800s | Rise of Nationalism in Europe
  – “Blood and soil” nationalism co-opts Christianity as cultural identity.
  – Church and state alliances often excluded minorities (Jews, Roma, Muslims).

20th Century​

• 1920s–30s | Nazi Germany
  – Promoted “Positive Christianity” (stripped of Jewish roots, fused with Aryan ideology).
  – Churches pressured to align with nationalist state.
• 1920s–60s | Ku Klux Klan (USA)
  – Claimed to defend “Protestant Christian civilization.”
  – Burned crosses as terror symbol.
• 1950s–60s | Segregationists in the U.S. South
  – Used Bible verses to defend racial segregation.
  – White Citizens’ Councils framed segregation as “Christian order.”

Late 20th Century​

• 1970s–80s | Christian Identity Movement (USA)
  – Radical theology teaching whites are God’s true Israel.
  – Influenced militia movements and domestic terrorism.
• 1980s–90s | Rise of the Religious Right (USA)
  – Groups like Moral Majority tied Christianity to nationalist, conservative politics.
  – Strong anti-LGBTQ+, anti-abortion, “family values” agenda.

21st Century​

• 2000s | European Far-Right Parties
  – In France, Hungary, Poland: Christianity invoked as cultural identity against Muslim immigrants.
  – “Defending Christian Europe” becomes campaign slogan.
• 2010s | U.S. Christian Nationalism
  – “America is a Christian Nation” rhetoric grows.
  – Seen in opposition to immigration, same-sex marriage, and multiculturalism.
• 2019 | Christchurch Shooter (New Zealand)
  – Far-right terrorist invoked Crusader and Christian warrior symbolism.
• 2021 | U.S. Capitol Attack
  – Rioters carried crosses, Christian flags, and prayed inside Senate chamber.
  – Mix of nationalism, conspiracy theories, and Christian identity rhetoric.
• Today
  – Far-right leaders (e.g., Orbán in Hungary, Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil, U.S. Christian Nationalists) use Christianity as political shield.
  – Often claim to be “defenders of Christian civilization” while promoting exclusionary nationalism.

Pattern:

Across history, far-right movements have consistently borrowed Christian symbols and language to legitimize nationalism, but often stripped away the Gospel’s emphasis on love, justice, and equality.

Prompt, How is this related to occultism:

Good question — the link between far-right nationalism, Christianity, and occultism runs deep, especially when we look at the symbolic, mythological, and ideological layers. Here’s a breakdown:

1. Occultism in Far-Right Ideology​

• Mythic Imagery: Crusader crosses, runes, and mystical symbols (e.g., sun wheels, black suns) often blur the line between Christian identity and pagan/occult traditions.
• Secret Knowledge: Many extremist groups claim to have “hidden truths” about race, nation, or divine destiny, echoing occult ideas of secret wisdom.
• Apocalyptic Thinking: Both occult and extremist ideologies often predict a cosmic battle between forces of light/dark, order/chaos — mapped onto politics.

2. Occultism Inside Nationalist Christianity​

• Nazi Germany:
  – Heinrich Himmler’s SS blended “Positive Christianity” with occult symbols (Black Sun, runic magic).
  – Occult orders like the Thule Society inspired early Nazi ideology, mixing Aryan mysticism with nationalism.
• Christian Identity Movement (USA):
  – While claiming to be biblical, it reinterprets scripture in esoteric ways (e.g., whites as lost tribes of Israel).
  – Pseudo-theology that functions like occult secret teaching.

3. Shared Mechanisms of Control​

Far-Right Nationalism	Christianity (as used politically)	Occult/Esoteric Practices
Myth of chosen people	“Christian nation” rhetoric	Secret initiates / chosen race
Symbols of power	Cross, Crusader flag	Runes, black sun, hidden sigils
Apocalyptic narrative	End-times prophecies	Cosmic battle, hidden destiny
Charismatic leaders	“Anointed” political messiahs	Cult masters, esoteric sages

4. Why the Blend?​

• Legitimacy: Christianity offers moral authority and mass recognition.
• Mystique: Occult symbols and rituals add a sense of hidden power, destiny, and fear.
• Identity Politics: Both appeal to belonging — “we are the chosen, the pure, the enlightened.”

5. Modern Examples​

• QAnon (USA): Blends Christian end-times prophecy with occult-like secret codes, hidden knowledge, and ritualistic symbolism.
• European Identitarian Groups: Mix Christian heritage rhetoric with pagan/occult aesthetics (Odinism, runes).
• Capitol Riots (2021): Christian crosses stood next to Viking runes, “magic” symbols, and conspiracy chants — fusion of political religion and occult.

In essence:

Far-right groups often instrumentalize Christianity for legitimacy while borrowing occult elements for mystique and mythic power. This creates a hybrid ideology that looks “Christian” on the surface but is infused with esoteric, pagan, or occult themes — often in direct contradiction to the teachings of Jesus.


Would you like me to show a side-by-side chart of Christian doctrine vs. far-right occult-Christian fusion, so you can see the contrast clearly?

Prompt, yes:

Here’s a side-by-side chart comparing authentic Christian doctrine with the far-right occult–Christian fusion:

Christianity vs. Far-Right Occult–Christian Fusion​

Theme	Authentic Christian Doctrine	Far-Right Nationalist + Occult Fusion
Authority	God’s Kingdom above all nations (Philippians 3:20: “Our citizenship is in heaven”).	Nation elevated above God; loyalty to race/nation first.
Chosen People	All are one in Christ (Galatians 3:28).	White Europeans or a specific ethnic group seen as God’s “true Israel” or “chosen race.”
Symbols	Cross = sacrifice, forgiveness, new life.	Cross, runes, Black Sun, Crusader shields used as power symbols of domination.
Scripture	Bible as revelation of God’s love, salvation, and justice.	Selective verses + hidden codes, mystical reinterpretations (esoteric “secret truths”).
Spiritual Warfare	Against sin, injustice, and spiritual evil (Ephesians 6:12).	Political enemies, immigrants, or minorities framed as literal demonic forces.
Salvation	Grace through Christ; open to all nations (John 3:16).	Reserved for the “pure” nation or race; often tied to apocalyptic “cleansing.”
Community	Church = diverse body of believers united in love.	Closed ethnic/religious community, outsiders demonized.
Eschatology (End Times)	Hope in Christ’s return to bring justice and peace.	Apocalyptic battle framed in nationalist terms; occult symbols of cosmic war.
Use of Ritual	Baptism, Eucharist, prayer = communal, Christ-centered.	Occult-like rituals: secret oaths, initiation rites, chanting slogans, symbolic violence.
Leadership	Servant leadership modeled on Jesus washing disciples’ feet.	Charismatic “messianic” leaders elevated as saviors of the nation.

Key Takeaway:

• Christianity: universal, inclusive, centered on love and humility.
• Far-right occult fusion: exclusive, mystical, nationalistic, power-driven.

They may use the same symbols and language, but the meaning is inverted — a classic occult move (turning light into darkness, humility into domination).

End Prompt.

 

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It's free to use, I have a paid version for advanced tasks. I would not know, but a Chat box comes ad hand for quick research.

Btw, the Duck Duck Go browser has several LLM (Large Languages Models) for free. But these models are usually older models, not as advanced and fast as the latest models. I use ChatGTP for basically anything, complex weight-lift workout programs, complex diet programs, studying software development, learning foreign languages, automated newsfeeds etc, It shows comprehensive data within seconds.




For your question, it gathered different sources and I asked it to clean it up and make a side-by-side format table.

Conclusion​

So, to your question: have Arabic (or Arab American) voters been vindicated by Trump’s election? The short answer is: partially, in the sense that their grievances are being acknowledged more openly, but not fully — many of the outcomes so far are controversial and may not satisfy what many in those communities consider justice or a fair policy.

If by “vindicated” you meant something more specific — e.g. vindicated in their policy preferences, in their distrust of past administrations, or in their prediction that U.S. foreign policy would drift further from what they hoped for — I can try to assess how well those are holding up. Do you want me to run through that?

Arab Voters and Trump’s Election: Expectations vs. Reality​

Arab Voters’ Expectations	Trump’s Actual Policies & Outcomes
Break away from Democrats as protest against Biden–Harris policies on Gaza and Israel.	Arab Americans split their vote more evenly, with many shifting to Trump or third parties — their political weight became more visible.
Hoped for greater recognition of Arab concerns, particularly regarding Palestinian suffering.	Trump appointed Arab-descended officials and gave symbolic attention to Arab American voices, suggesting acknowledgment.
Expected a shift toward more balanced U.S. policy in the Middle East.	Trump proposed controversial measures, such as a U.S. “takeover” of Gaza and relocation of Palestinians, which many Arab groups condemned as provocative and dangerous.
Desired policies leading to justice, fair representation, and solutions for the Palestinian question.	Policies so far have heightened fears of displacement and instability, leaving many Arab voters disillusioned.

Conclusion: Arab voters succeeded in drawing national attention to their concerns and breaking old political patterns, but Trump’s policies have not fulfilled their hopes. Their discontent has been validated, yet true vindication — in the form of just and constructive policy — remains elusive.

a thorough and comprehensive follow up to smooth minds controversial statement. Thank you, @Ish Gibor

@CrimsonTider @Pressure @Outlaw maybe we need to use ChatGPT from now on whenever smooth mind decides to be elusive in following up with his controversial (at best) takes

 

[Loose]

saagar trying to fukk around and meet kirk, these conservatives haven't learned about outright discriminating on people

 

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[Pressure]

a thorough and comprehensive follow up to smooth minds controversial statement. Thank you, @Ish Gibor

@CrimsonTider @Pressure @Outlaw maybe we need to use ChatGPT from now on whenever smooth mind decides to be elusive in following up with his controversial (at best) takes

Might have to bring PressureGPT byke.

 

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[NobodyReally]

Creepy shyt

 

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[Ish Gibor]

Might have to bring PressureGPT byke.

Slow people and people with a lower IQ in the world of eugenics need to be eradicated.

In a Social Democratic society these people are taken care of, in a society based on eugenics such as white “Christian” nationalist are advocating for, low people and people with a lower IQ need to be eradicated.

But wait…, there’s more…

Everyone who’s not a white nationalist, in their world view needs to be eradicated. Yes, everyone who’s not a white nationalist.

You probably have no idea what Gestapo is? How would you, right?

Have you ever read a book on fascism and WWII? This had close resemblance to a Nazi really. Those who know history recognize the patterns.

“This is a point-by-point read of Joseph Goebbels’ “The Storm is Coming” from 1932, matched to Stephen Miller’s remarks at Charlie Kirk’s memorial, with our take at the end.

The goal is simple: show the mechanics, not the mystique. This is how propaganda turns grief into fuel and people into targets.

Sources for Goebbels’ text are the Calvin University German Propaganda Archive and library listings that document the 9 July 1932 speech.
Full video: Stephen Miller speaking at Charlie Kirk’s memorial, September 2025.”

The Storm Playbook: Goebbels 1932, Miller 2025, and Indie Radio’s Take

Stephen Miller’s speech at Charlie Kirk’s memorial wasn’t mourning. It echoed Goebbels’ 1932 storm rhetoric—propaganda disguised as tribute.

www.bossglobalradio.com

 

[Ish Gibor]

Creepy shyt

These women knew they voted for a groper. It’s not as if they didn’t know.

We know what when down at Turning Point.

Deranged MAGA Civil War Erupts Over Engagement Ring Size

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[Ish Gibor]

We can only imagine what happens when the Epstein files are released.

 

[Ish Gibor]

I know 100% certain that this is a MAGA conflict and is now being exploited for their political gains, attempting to push it on the "left".


Here is where it gets nifty, because I asked AI if there has been any conflicts between Mormons and MAGA? This is not my opinion, this is what AI responded.

Prompt, Have there been been conflicts between mormons and MAGA christians:

Yes — there have been tensions between Mormons (Latter-day Saints) and MAGA-style evangelical Christians, though the relationship is complex. Here’s a breakdown:

1. Shared Ground​

• Both groups are socially conservative — often opposing abortion, LGBTQ rights, and supporting “traditional family values.”
• Both overlap in the Republican Party, especially in Utah, Idaho, and Arizona, where LDS voters are a major bloc.
• Mormons voted in large numbers for Republican candidates, including Donald Trump in both 2016 and 2020.

2. Points of Conflict​

a. Theological Divide​

• Many evangelical Christians (the heart of MAGA Christianity) consider Mormonism “not truly Christian”because of its additional scriptures (Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants) and doctrines about God, Jesus, and exaltation.
• Some evangelical pastors openly preach that Mormonism is a “cult.”
• This creates friction, since Mormons self-identify as Christian, while MAGA evangelicals often reject that identity.

b. Trump and Mormon Resistance​

• In 2016, Mormons were one of the few conservative groups hesitant to embrace Trump.
  • Utah GOP voters strongly resisted him in the primaries, supporting Evan McMullin (a Mormon independent candidate).
  • Mormon leaders criticized Trump’s rhetoric on immigration and morality.
• While most eventually voted Republican in the general elections, the hesitation marked a cultural gap.

c. Nationalism vs. Global Mission​

• MAGA evangelicals often embrace Christian nationalism, framing America as a chosen nation.
• The LDS Church, while conservative, emphasizes global missionary work and has a strong international identity, which sometimes clashes with hyper-nationalist MAGA ideology.

d. LGBTQ+ Issues​

• The LDS Church has had its own conflicts with LGBTQ rights, but in recent years has adopted a somewhat more conciliatory tone (e.g., supporting certain anti-discrimination protections in Utah).
• MAGA Christianity often takes a harder, more combative stance.

3. Examples of Conflict​

• 2016 Utah Primary: Trump performed poorly among LDS voters compared to evangelicals elsewhere.
• Evangelical Criticism: Figures like Robert Jeffress (a pro-Trump evangelical pastor) have said Mormons are not Christians.
• Cultural Divide: Polling shows Mormons are less likely than evangelicals to embrace extreme Christian nationalism, though they remain socially conservative.

Summary:

• Mormons and MAGA Christians often vote the same way on issues, but their relationship is uneasy.
• The theological divide (whether Mormons are “real Christians”), plus early Mormon resistance to Trump, created lasting friction.
• This tension helps explain why someone like Tyler Robinson (from a Mormon family) could both grow up in a conservative household yet diverge from MAGA culture.

Do you want me to create a side-by-side table of Evangelical/MAGA Christianity vs. Mormon Christianity(beliefs, politics, nationalism, Trump support) to make the differences clearer?

Prompt, Yes:

Here’s a side-by-side table comparing Evangelical/MAGA Christianity and Mormon (LDS) Christianity, focusing on faith, politics, and nationalism:

Evangelical / MAGA Christianity vs. Mormon Christianity​

Category	Evangelical / MAGA Christianity	Mormon (LDS) Christianity
Theology	Bible alone as scripture; salvation by faith alone	Bible + Book of Mormon + other LDS texts; additional doctrines (prophets, priesthood authority, eternal progression)
View of Mormons	Many evangelicals see Mormonism as a “cult” or “false Christianity”	Self-identify as Christians; believe LDS church is the “restored” true church
Religious Identity	Evangelical Protestant; revivalist and literalist traditions	Distinct Christian denomination with unique theology, global missionary structure
Politics	Core base of the MAGA movement; strong identification with Trump and Christian nationalism	Generally conservative Republicans, but more hesitant toward Trump (especially 2016); emphasis on morality and civility
Nationalism	Strong Christian nationalism: “America is God’s chosen nation”	Global missionary outlook; less emphasis on U.S. exceptionalism, more on church worldwide
Trump Support	Enthusiastic; ~80% of white evangelicals voted for Trump in 2016 & 2020	Majority supported Trump eventually, but Utah showed resistance in 2016 (many voted for independent Evan McMullin)
LGBTQ+ Issues	Often strongly oppositional; culture-war driven	Historically opposed; in recent years more nuanced, allowing compromise laws (e.g., Utah anti-discrimination protections)
Cultural Tone	Confrontational, populist, identity-politics oriented	Emphasis on family, community, and moral reputation; less populist in style
Relationship With Each Other	Evangelicals often exclude Mormons from “real Christianity”	Mormons often feel rejected but still politically ally on many issues

Key Takeaway:

• MAGA evangelicals = the loud, combative core of Christian nationalism, Trump’s strongest base.
• Mormons = conservative and Republican-leaning, but more global in outlook, less combative in tone, and sometimes skeptical of Trump or evangelical hostility.

Would you like me to map this comparison visually (e.g., a Venn diagram showing where MAGA Christians and Mormons overlap vs. where they diverge)?

Prompt, Yes:

 

[Ish Gibor]

Amazing content, great observations that skipped most people. So I decided to prompt an analysis between these how they characterized him.





“That’s a very sharp comparison to bring up. While Charlie Kirk’s MAGA youth organizing (via TPUSA and allied groups) is not the same as the Nazi Hitlerjugend, there are some structural and rhetorical parallels worth examining, alongside clear differences.”

Parallels: MAGA Youth vs. Hitlerjugend

Dimension	MAGA Youth (Charlie Kirk / TPUSA)	Hitlerjugend (Nazi Youth)
Core Mission	Mobilize young people to embrace MAGA politics, nationalism, and conservative Christian identity.	Indoctrinate German youth into Nazi ideology, loyalty to Hitler, and racial nationalism.
Leadership Cult	Emphasis on Donald Trump as a larger-than-life leader, often framed as chosen or savior-like.	Absolute loyalty to Hitler as Führer, portrayed as Germany’s redeemer.
Enemy Framing	Liberals, immigrants, “globalists,” LGBTQ+ activists, and racial justice advocates framed as threats to America.	Jews, communists, and “undesirable” groups framed as existential threats to the German Volk.
Youth Appeal	Uses festivals (AmericaFest), campus chapters, merch, and influencer-style branding to attract young conservatives.	Used uniforms, paramilitary activities, summer camps, sports, and rituals to appeal to German youth.
Ideological Simplification	Reduces complex politics to simple slogans: “Socialism bad,” “America First,” “Faith & Freedom.”	Reduced politics to racial purity, national destiny, and loyalty to the Führer.
Social Pressure	Campus recruitment, peer group dynamics, and church-based networks reinforce conformity.	Mandatory membership (after 1936), peer pressure, and state control reinforced conformity.
Militarization	No formal armed training, but heavy pro-gun, pro-military rhetoric.	Paramilitary drills, weapons training, preparing boys for war.

Key Differences

1. State Power
   • Hitlerjugend was backed by the Nazi state, with compulsory membership and integration into schools.
   • TPUSA / MAGA youth is voluntary, privately funded, and not a state apparatus.
2. Violence Level
   • MAGA youth rhetoric is aggressive but does not include official paramilitary training.
   • Hitlerjugend explicitly prepared children for war and violence.
3. Scope of Indoctrination
   • MAGA youth mainly influences universities, churches, and media spaces.
   • Hitlerjugend controlled virtually all aspects of youth life (school, leisure, sports).

Bottom Line

Charlie Kirk’s MAGA youth activism resembles Hitlerjugend in its cult of leader, enemy creation, and youth mobilization, but differs in scale, state power, and militarization. The comparison highlights authoritarian tendencies in political youth organizing but should be handled carefully so as not to equate them outright.