China to invest 30 billion USD in Haiti

[Bawon Samedi]

Anyways ignoring the hysteria. Its said that the development starts around December.

Instead having a "da Chinaman iz gonna colonize Haiti!" mentality[which in reality comes from White Western thinking], Haiti and these other Black Nations should be thinking about using China as a tool[for their development] but more importantly finessing/manipulating them out of BETTER deals. China did this with with Western Investors. Doing smart business should be the goal. Not spreading hotep and western influenced paranoia nonsense. I agree that Haiti should STAY AWAY from the USA. But when you have countries with VERY BIG GDPs[especially non-western] such as China, Brazil, Japan, South Korea, India or Russia willing to do business[and it can benefit said country] the idea should not be "dey gonna take ova! da black man iz so stupid!" but again trying to get the best deal. Whether these militants like it or not no countries develops in a vacuum. Countries like Japan, South Korea, Thailand, Singapore, China and many of these Asians did not.

The Silk Road project is basically the Chinese version of the Marshall plan for developing countries.

But getting to my main point... I know Rwanda is not perfect at all. But I believe at least for now Haiti should use Rwanda as its model at least when it comes to the capital. I know people said the Caribbean and Africa are different but I see Haiti as a miniature version of an African country. And Haiti does have some resources. More importantly Haiti and Rwanda are actually around the same size[Haiti is bigger] and I've seen some Haitian claim Haiti should take some notes on how Kigali was developed. Rwanda like most of the Caribbean lacks resources yet China invested heavily in Kigali's infrastructure.

Rwanda is a landlocked country with few natural resources. So why is China investing so heavily in it?

Why is China investing so heavily in a small landlocked African country with few natural resources?

If Haiti plays their cards right and get the better deal, I personally believe Port Au Prince can slowly become like Kigali. I just want infrastructure for Haiti.

@Clean Cut since you live in Rwanda. Your thoughts?

Anyone gonna take any shots at this? @ZoeGod @Dip @I_Got_Da_Burna @Mega

 

[ChatGPT-5]

Anyways ignoring the hysteria. Its said that the development starts around December.

Instead having a "da Chinaman iz gonna colonize Haiti!" mentality[which in reality comes from White Western thinking], Haiti and these other Black Nations should be thinking about using China as a tool[for their development] but more importantly finessing/manipulating them out of BETTER deals. China did this with with Western Investors. Doing smart business should be the goal. Not spreading hotep and western influenced paranoia nonsense. I agree that Haiti should STAY AWAY from the USA. But when you have countries with VERY BIG GDPs[especially non-western] such as China, Brazil, Japan, South Korea, India or Russia willing to do business[and it can benefit said country] the idea should not be "dey gonna take ova! da black man iz so stupid!" but again trying to get the best deal. Whether these militants like it or not no countries develops in a vacuum. Countries like Japan, South Korea, Thailand, Singapore, China and many of these Asians did not.

The Silk Road project is basically the Chinese version of the Marshall plan for developing countries.

But getting to my main point... I know Rwanda is not perfect at all. But I believe at least for now Haiti should use Rwanda as its model at least when it comes to the capital. I know people said the Caribbean and Africa are different but I see Haiti as a miniature version of an African country. And Haiti does have some resources. More importantly Haiti and Rwanda are actually around the same size[Haiti is bigger] and I've seen some Haitian claim Haiti should take some notes on how Kigali was developed. Rwanda like most of the Caribbean lacks resources yet China invested heavily in Kigali's infrastructure.

Rwanda is a landlocked country with few natural resources. So why is China investing so heavily in it?

Why is China investing so heavily in a small landlocked African country with few natural resources?

If Haiti plays their cards right and get the better deal, I personally believe Port Au Prince can slowly become like Kigali. I just want infrastructure for Haiti.

@Clean Cut since you live in Rwanda. Your thoughts?

you got that link off me, I posted that a day ago.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

black countries still selling themselves to the highest bidder, you'd think 100's of years of european colonization would've taught some lessons

 

[Mr.Big Meat McGee]

If they do invest and build in Haiti, I hope they build trains. I still don't understand why they haven't made it the main transportation over there makes more sense then using a car.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

you got that link off me, I posted that a day ago.

I did NOT get that link off you. I was searching for Chinese and Kigali investment and I found this. But who CARES! I want to hear YOUR THOUGHTS...

 

[Bawon Samedi]

If they do invest and build in Haiti, I hope they build trains. I still don't understand why they haven't made it the main transportation over there makes more sense then using a car.

Didn't Haiti use to have trains but in its early days?

 

[I_Got_Da_Burna]

Anyone gonna take any shots at this? @ZoeGod @Dip @I_Got_Da_Burna @Mega

I'll address once I get home my dude

 

[Bawon Samedi]

black countries still selling themselves to the highest bidder, you'd think 100's of years of european colonization would've taught some lessons

Grown ups are talking.

 

[Mega]

Gonna call BS on the Vice article.

The entire article is based on challenging the "2%" number and attributing the use of that figure as part of racist propaganda towards Haiti.

Anybody from Haiti with a relative there over 60 years old, ask THEM what they think.
The lack of trees has even impacted the average temperature and rainfall totals over the decades.

When hurricanes or rainstorms hit....parts of Haiti are DEVASTATED....partly because of of mudslides because the trees are gone. and there has been NO state sponsored replanting efforts for the past 50 years.


'Ill be back. no disrepect intended but gotta call BS on the article..and any older relative of yours still there will tell you the same thing no matter which part of the island they live on.

I'm saying that the 2% stat repeated in the Vice article is a straw man argument. Neither I nor the other poster who mentioned deforestation cited that number, and harping on challenging that number obscures the fact that Haiti does suffer from deforestation.

I'm certain that the stats will back me up on the measurable effects of deforestation being evident in Haiti....in the form of rising temperatures and low rain totals over the decades, as opposed to the other side of the island.
Haiti used to not import rice, it does now.....that's a function of a number of factors, but I'd assume that decreased fertility of soil and lower rain totals has to factor in.

I just read that Haiti imports 80% of the rice consumed there ....wait WHAT?????

Gonna look up the food production and food export numbers...but I suspect that the numbers will be consistent with a country that isn't replenishing it's fallen trees.

the actual picture which people cite about deforestation is from a 1987 NG article. It's a real photo of the Haiti/d.r. borderand it's here

That poster stated "is the fact its one of the, if not the most defrosted places in the world. That turns the soil mostly unusable for agricultural purposes."
The articles I posted refutes his claim.
I agree that deforestation is evident in Haiti but not to the extent only 2% forest is left or as that Dominican poster stated "turns the soil usable".
There is plenty of agriculture grown in Haiti. The problem is that the technology used is obsolete and can not keep up with the demand of the growing population.
Also FYI...the Rice Importation is the doing of Clinton who made Haiti lowered the imports tariffs on rice from the USA to damn near zero.
There was no way local Haitian farmers could compete.
How could you not know this and claim to be Haitian...

 

[El Cocodrilo]

Big problem with investing in Haiti is that corruption is rampant af... hard to get in there and build up in a way that will benefit the people when you got so many crooked parasites around every corner of government bureaucracy.

 

[the bossman]

So it sounds like this could be a win win situation if the deal done right. Haitian brehs. Do you have faith in the current leadership to be able to construct a deal that will benefit the people of Haiti(jobs, better infrastructure, etc) or will they just accept anything and line their pockets?

 

[Mr.Big Meat McGee]

Didn't Haiti use to have trains but in its early days?

Yup and they scrapped them. I hope China builds bullet trains. Then it'd be finally possible to go from Cap Haitien to Jacmel in less than 2 hours.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Yup and they scrapped them. I hope China builds bullet trains. Then it'd be finally possible to go from Cap Haitien to Jacmel in less than 2 hours.

Good point.

But I did see railways being included and that the development would be beyond PAP. But I don't know if they will be bullet trains. The train the Chinese help build for Eritrea and Ethiopia did wonders for those two countries.

 

[the bossman]

Good point.

But I did see railways being included and that the development would be beyond PAP. But I don't know if they will be bullet trains. The train the Chinese help build for Eritrea and Ethiopia did wonders for those two countries.

same with the Chinese railway they just built in Kenya from Mombassa to Nairobi this year. That shyt is a major gamechanger. I get the whole "chinese taking over" skepticism, but you can't deny these projects change the lives of the people in a major way. Eventually they want to get all of East Africa connected

 

[Mr.Big Meat McGee]

Have you read the history on how the US fukked up Haiti? Sponsoring coups and insurrection? Like the 2004 uprising was backed by the DIA. The armed former military men led by Guy Phillippe was trained by the US. It was the US who backed FRAPH. A far right paramilitary death squad (my uncle was a member of before he got killed in 2000) that slaughtered pro democracy Haitian. The same US who told Aristide to demobilize the army which led to tens of thousands of military veterans in the streets forming gangs which led to a crime wave in the nation. Also made the nation weak and more destabilized. It was the It was the US who killed off the black pigs in Haiti which was a livelihood for many including my grandfather. No they paid of Duvalier to convince the Haitian people to kill off the black pigs and buy American pink pigs who aren't durable as the black ones. The US has done NOTHING for Haiti but destabilize it, put more economic hardship and political chaos in the nation. Haitians relize this and would rather deal with China because we have dealt with the US too many times and every time we got worse off.

You forgot the US stole shyt ton of gold, destroyed statues of the founding fathers of Haiti and demonized Vodun/Voodoo.

Plus they destroyed Haitian pig which made thousands of farmers poor.