I cannot agree with that. All these power moves didn't truly begin until Xi.
China’s Sea Control Is a Done Deal, ‘Short of War With the U.S.’
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Why 9/11 Spared China from a Dangerous Duel with America
9/11 and U.S.-China Relations - Foreign Policy Research Institute
Did you forget that incident where our spy plane collided with their jet 5 months before 9/11? Hainan Island incident - Wikipedia
ZoeGod
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China wants to make the South China Sea be their Caribbean Sea. For a regional hegemon to be a superpower they must master their geography. China wants to be the regional hegemon East Asia and the US stands in their way. Hence why Obama wanted to pivot to Asia. He made the Iran nuclear deal happen to get the last crisis in the Mideast out the way. He withdrew from Iraq and planning to withdraw from Afghanistan because he saw China was the rising threat. However ISIS rising pulled us back into the region and Trump withdrawing from the deal complicates things as well. China wants the US to be bogged down in the Mideast for at least another 17 years. Because by that time they will reach military parity with them.
The US military is strong but 17 years of fighting a low level insurgencies has led to wear and tear of the military. Equipment are jacked up, troops are overstretched,jet pilot shortages, etc. Obama was genius because he saw the more money and resources the US was putting into the Mideast China was slowly but surely rising. China is on a warpath to create a powerful navy. China was always a land power. Now they want to be a naval power by the late 2020s. If they succeed which is likely it will be problem. Look up A2/AD. Keep fking around in the Mideast and you will have China too strong to defeat. fukk around fight a short aeronaval war in the South China Sea and lose.
The US military is strong but 17 years of fighting a low level insurgencies has led to wear and tear of the military. Equipment are jacked up, troops are overstretched,jet pilot shortages, etc. Obama was genius because he saw the more money and resources the US was putting into the Mideast China was slowly but surely rising. China is on a warpath to create a powerful navy. China was always a land power. Now they want to be a naval power by the late 2020s. If they succeed which is likely it will be problem. Look up A2/AD. Keep fking around in the Mideast and you will have China too strong to defeat. fukk around fight a short aeronaval war in the South China Sea and lose.
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ZoeGod
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Another thing is the difference in Obama’s foreign policy and say the Neocons and some liberal interventionist. Neocons and some liberal hawks think the US could be in the Mideast fighting terror,confronting Iran,confronting Russia in Europe and confront China and North Korea in Asia all at the same time. 
Obama said it best that great powers collapse because of imperial over stretch. This is why he wanted to get out of the Mideast and pivot to Asia because the Mideast is a resource drain. No matter how powerful of a military you are primacy does not mean invincibility.
However Trumps dumb ass does not know this. Sending more troops into Afghanistan,Iraq and Syria will not matter in the grand scheme of things. You are failing to confront Iran in Iraq and Syria because you know once you target their proxies we will go back to the bad days of IEDs and EFPs killing US troops in Iraq,Syria and Afghanistan. Hell you know starting a war with in Iran will waste more resources and plunge you deeper in the Mideast quicksand. Fighting terrorism doesn’t work when these groups get their money from private donors from the Persian Gulf. Afghanistan is a quagmire. Iraq will never get it right and the US will never influence on the ground there now that Al Sadr is kingmaker in Iraqi politics. Assad won in Syria. You are pissing off your major NATO ally by supporting the Kurds. So see the Mideast is a dub. But Neocons and liberal interventionist don’t realize this. Meanwhile China is expanding its conventional and asymmetrical capabilities faster than we thought. So in the end Obama was right and Trump along with the Republican party is accelerating America’s decline and helping China rise by continuing to get involved in the Mideast.
Obama said it best that great powers collapse because of imperial over stretch. This is why he wanted to get out of the Mideast and pivot to Asia because the Mideast is a resource drain. No matter how powerful of a military you are primacy does not mean invincibility.
However Trumps dumb ass does not know this. Sending more troops into Afghanistan,Iraq and Syria will not matter in the grand scheme of things. You are failing to confront Iran in Iraq and Syria because you know once you target their proxies we will go back to the bad days of IEDs and EFPs killing US troops in Iraq,Syria and Afghanistan. Hell you know starting a war with in Iran will waste more resources and plunge you deeper in the Mideast quicksand. Fighting terrorism doesn’t work when these groups get their money from private donors from the Persian Gulf. Afghanistan is a quagmire. Iraq will never get it right and the US will never influence on the ground there now that Al Sadr is kingmaker in Iraqi politics. Assad won in Syria. You are pissing off your major NATO ally by supporting the Kurds. So see the Mideast is a dub. But Neocons and liberal interventionist don’t realize this. Meanwhile China is expanding its conventional and asymmetrical capabilities faster than we thought. So in the end Obama was right and Trump along with the Republican party is accelerating America’s decline and helping China rise by continuing to get involved in the Mideast.
Another thing is the difference in Obama’s foreign policy and say the Neocons and some liberal interventionist. Neocons and some liberal hawks think the US could be in the Mideast fighting terror,confronting Iran,confronting Russia in Europe and confront China and North Korea in Asia all at the same time.
Obama said it best that great powers collapse because of imperial over stretch. This is why he wanted to get out of the Mideast and pivot to Asia because the Mideast is a resource drain. No matter how powerful of a military you are primacy does not mean invincibility.
However Trumps dumb ass does not know this. Sending more troops into Afghanistan,Iraq and Syria will not matter in the grand scheme of things. You are failing to confront Iran in Iraq and Syria because you know once you target their proxies we will go back to the bad days of IEDs and EFPs killing US troops in Iraq,Syria and Afghanistan. Hell you know starting a war with in Iran will waste more resources and plunge you deeper in the Mideast quicksand. Fighting terrorism doesn’t work when these groups get their money from private donors from the Persian Gulf. Afghanistan is a quagmire. Iraq will never get it right and the US will never influence on the ground there now that Al Sadr is kingmaker in Iraqi politics. Assad won in Syria. You are pissing off your major NATO ally by supporting the Kurds. So see the Mideast is a dub. But Neocons and liberal interventionist don’t realize this. Meanwhile China is expanding its conventional and asymmetrical capabilities faster than we thought. So in the end Obama was right and Trump along with the Republican party is accelerating America’s decline and helping China rise by continuing to get involved in the Mideast.
Neocons and liberal interventionists also think sanctions are the silver bullet.
Sanction everyone
88m3
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ZoeGod
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The issue with sanctions is that it doesn’t do the effect that it wants. China will still buy Russian jets and the deadly S-400. All this is going to do is make Russia and China come closer together. Sanctioning China over this along with trading with Iran, and hauling tarrifs at them will work to undermine the US dollar in the long term. All of the sanctions and tariffs all do will bring Iran,China, Russia,Turkey closer together. Dr John Mearsheimer who is one of the premier foreign policy analyst said the major mistakes the US is doing is:
-Being stuck in the Middle East quagmire
-Not putting a split between Russia and China because Russia and China working together will hurt American primacy in the long term.
-Pushing Iran into China and Russia’s arms while allying with the weak Gulf monarchies.
Check in all things. We will see the disastrous policies of Trump and the Republicans in 15 years. As I said all of this is accelerating America’s decline.
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
Russia is worried about being dominated by China in the long run though. What the order of operations will work out to is anyones guess but that can't be discounted..
How does Taiwan factor in all of this? You think China eventually invades them?
Russia-China split is a Cold War era relic. Since the USSR collapsed, they've been steadily building their cooperation. They're increasingly becoming linked economically and on the diplomatic side they rarely are at odds.
Pushing Iran to China began to accelerate with the invasion of Iraq and the neocons blood lust for war for decades. If Bush had done a deal with Iran in 2005, the world would be a lot different if you think about it.
Triipe
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This is the only reason that would make Trumps leaning towards Russia sensible. China is the US's primary threat
but really, imagine thinking losing influence in the South China Sea means American influence is weak. The US Navy is the most ever present force in the world. International Trade doesn't have the freedom to operate without the protection of the Navy.
ZoeGod
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Russia does have some worries about China however it’s a bit overblown. China and Russia are united economically. China has cash which Russia needs. Russia has oil/natural gas and weapons tech that China needs.
Secondly and most importantly they are united by one goal. That is to end Western global dominance ie American global dominance. Dr John Mearsheimer said this the big key thing. As long as America sees Russia and China as adversaries so the both of them will work together like Voltron to confront America. They do not see each other threat. The only reason why Russia and China are able to do what they do is that their border is peaceful. The Sino-Soviet split in the 1970s was the first nail to the coffin of the USSR. The reason why Russia is more interested in their western borders and not their eastern border is because it’s peaceful. And the same with China. They have deep economic and military ties they have with China that the USSR never did. Since they are not hostile towards each other they do not have to divert resources to militarized the border they share. Now they can divert these resrouces in the South China Sea, Eastern Europe, Syria etc. China does not want what happened to the USSR in regards to that split to happen to them.
If the US was smart they would try to do. Russo-China split by working with Russia because China needs Russia more. The reason China is the more long term threat and deadly threat not Russia. However all the anti Russia fever is making Russia and China work together and bring their friendship slower together. Dr John Mearsheimer said NATO expansion was and is a mistake. He said Russia is not a major threat and that China is longer term threat.
Having them working together is a strategic nightmare. And all these sanctions and tariffs will do is bring them ever more closer and determined to counter the West.Hell this month both of them had the largest military exercise in recent history. So there is no cracks in the friendships. They both share a common goal in maintaining order in Central Asia. They both fear Sunni Islamic radicalism in Central Asia. So they have a lot more common interest than we think. And allying with Iran makes it much more stronger. They know the minute the US starts a war with Iran it will be a bloody quagmire and they will arm and equip Iran to bleed America dry in a conflict. Trump is playing tic-tac toe on a global chess board.
Red Shield
Global Domination
I gotta read up on the Dr. John
I don't know about 15yrs... That 2025 date looks might right on time for this shyt show to all go
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isn't it called the South China sea for a reason ? 
