Christians create the annoying atheists that they hate so much.

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Yes, I have a very firm understanding. I've dedicated decades to studying all facets of theology, including atheism, agnostic-atheism and many other points of view. I've read many texts from many lands so I feel extremely confident in my understanding..

the length of time spent studying something says NOTHING about your proficiency in the material

I'm not talking about gods, I'm talking about God. If you have to ask which one you don't know what I'm talking about. Simple as that.

Rather arrogant and ignorant perspective.

There are others that believe in their deities far more than you do.

God is either there or not. It makes more logical sense to me that He is. So while you hypocritically presume God is NOT in everything I would question your logical reasoning behind that.

I'm not saying god isn't there. I'm asking you to prove that he is.

That's if I were debating you . But I'm not because based on the stuff you say you seem to have a very primitive understanding of the whole topic. How can you effectively reason logically if you don't really know what we're talking about.

Again.

Your only response is to treat those who disagree with you as if they don't undersatnd you.

You COULD be in here trying to make better arguments but all you try to do is play the "oh you don't get it" meme without even explaining what there is to "get"

But I haven't made any arguments in this thread.

Every statement is you asserting what god is, thinks, or does

All I've really done is ask you to prove things you've said. Which you still haven't done.

to the contrary.

Yes! This is the most intelligent thing I've ever seen you post. If you wanna know something about God, that's one thing. God knows everything about you, past present and future. Cradle to the grave, your every action and thought. God knows all. Everything. Now don't be predictable and say your famous line. Understand this is a part of the definition of God. You wanna talk about God but you don't know about God. I'm telling you something so you can understand what we're talking about.

This makes no sense.

You try and play that pantheistic bullshyt and it amounts to nothing more than word soup and bloviating poetry.

Plus, your definitions for "god" are contradictory

Earlier I told OP that God had no beginning and end.

Prove it

That's part of the description of God. It's not about "proving" it's about understanding what we're talking about. You can't say something doesn't exist if you don't even know the description or function of that thing.

Yet when asked you to prove such a thing, you evade responsibility

But just because you believe what you believe now doesn't mean you won't believe something different later. Especially with more understanding. You seem to have an agenda at this point in your life and no true interest in learning anything. Closed mindedness is the opposite of learnedness. It is what ignorance is to knowledge

You can't call me closed-minded if you haven't even elucidated WTF you want people to believe.

Your entire argument rests on you bragging about what you claim to know.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

i think this thread officially wins for most non-answers dressed as answers in coli history

nice work

its basically theology 101.

Avoid and Evade

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You have crossed what I have said. Let me straighten it out for you. You brought up who during my post to tmonster about the different arguments in science as to God's finger print. Now you are trying to switch that to cover Dawkins. I didn't bring him in until I asked about your beliefs.

God doesn't have any "fingerprints" on anything we have understood

There aren't any "god" functions in our understanding o fphysics, chemistry, or biology.

 

[Thsnnor]

God doesn't have any "fingerprints" on anything we have understood

There aren't any "god" functions in our understanding o fphysics, chemistry, or biology.

You missed the entire point of my post which was a refute on your misapplied info. Address the entire post please.

 

[mozichrome]

is like stating you're an athiest suppose to be this big cool thing online

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

is like stating you're an athiest suppose to be this big cool thing online

Yeah, its not like trying to make good arguments means anything

 

[tmonster]

is like stating you're an athiest suppose to be this big cool thing online

it should be

 

[mozichrome]

Yeah, its not like trying to make good arguments means anything

all u do is argue over this.
at 1 point you would take your ball and go home. but hey you enjoy the stalemate breh

 

[tmonster]

So via common sense, you can't have a definitive stance that "God does not exist" all you can state is that there is a extremely high probability that there is no GOD. Since there is no evidence supporting the existence or non existence of some type of deity.....

I will do you one better
say god exists, he/she/it is nothing like what these people describe or they describe it in useless degrees for fear of showing their ignorance.
in fact you can see germs of this claim in some of their answers
Every description of god proffered by man are obviously inconsistent with the world as it is or so bereft of any relevant or useful information, that they are inane and unnecessary. To admit this means they lose all "moral" authority over others and their "just world" cognitive blanket, and that is what for they camp in these threads spewing ignoramus nonsense. The sad part is it does not have to be this way, deferring intercessory deism and embracing the moral goodness, innate sense of justice, intelligence, and scientific process that evolution has allowed us to stumble into, can lead to an ever increasingly safer world. This is not wishful thinking, this is the trend. And we need to support that trend.

 

[semtex]

is like stating you're an athiest suppose to be this big cool thing online

Get your sad ass outta here fam

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

the length of time spent studying something says NOTHING about your proficiency in the material

So knowing absolutely nothing puts you on par with a person who has dedicated years to studying a subject? Really? I thought you called yourself a scholar. That's absolute nonsense. What's the point of studying or understanding anything when all you have to do is log onto the coli and you are automatically an expert in any subject? What a joke.

Rather arrogant and ignorant perspective.

There are others that believe in their deities far more than you do.

More proof that you don't understand what we're talking about...

I'm not saying god isn't there. I'm asking you to prove that he is.

More proof that you don't understand what we're talking about...

Your only response is to treat those who disagree with you as if they don't undersatnd you.

Not true. You really don't know what we're talking about. You don't have enough background information. This is a fact. I can't even call you an amateur. You're more like someone who has never touched a ball.

You COULD be in here trying to make better arguments but all you try to do is play the "oh you don't get it" meme without even explaining what there is to "get"

I haven't made any arguments though. I haven't even begun to debate you. All I'm doing is pointing out that you don't understand what we're even talking about and you continue to prove that for me.

Every statement is you asserting what god is, thinks, or does


to the contrary.



This makes no sense.

You try and play that pantheistic bullshyt and it amounts to nothing more than word soup and bloviating poetry.

Plus, your definitions for "god" are contradictory

How have a contradicted myself? I said God is One, God has no beginning or end and God knows all. That's all I've said. Out of those 3 characteristics, where is the contradiction?

Prove it

Not only are you ignorant on the subject, but I'm beginning to question your mental capacity in general. I'm telling you the definition of God and you're saying "prove it". There is nothing to prove I'm just trying to introduce you to the topic at hand. A topic you seem to know very little to nothing about.

Yet when asked you to prove such a thing, you evade responsibility

Classic book smart person who lacks common sense. I know a chick up for her PhD in some field or other. Didn't stop her from getting scammed via email by an African.

Maybe you should read a text book on this since all you seem to be able to do is repeat what someone else has already said.

You can't call me closed-minded if you haven't even elucidated WTF you want people to believe.

Who said I want you to believe anything? You're very confused. You're arguing with yourself in the guise of me. I'm not arguing with you.

And it's not my fault you're so ignorant on the subject. To be honest you're annoying and I wouldn't even bother educating you on such things. I'm not here to make you believe anything, I'm just pointing out the ridiculousness, hypocrisy and total ignorance of YOUR position. I haven't said much about myself.

Your entire argument rests on you bragging about what you claim to know.

If you want to say I'm arguing and have an argument, then it wouldn't rest on me bragging about what I claim to know. Instead, such an argument would be based solely on, and simply that, YOU don't know anything about God.

I haven't said anything about myself and I'm not arguing with you. I haven't even seen you make a valid point to jump in and counter-argue. I'm just sitting back and watching you dedicate hours on end talking about something you obviously don't know anything about.

It's quite comical if I must say.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

So knowing absolutely nothing puts you on par with a person who has dedicated years to studying a subject? Really? I thought you called yourself a scholar. That's absolute nonsense. What's the point of studying or understanding anything when all you have to do is log onto the coli and you are automatically an expert in any subject? What a joke..

An informed opinion is the result of the structure of the argument, not how long devoted to studying it.

More proof that you don't understand what we're talking about...




More proof that you don't understand what we're talking about...

More proof you won't substantiate what you're talking about.

Not true. You really don't know what we're talking about. You don't have enough background information. This is a fact. I can't even call you an amateur. You're more like someone who has never touched a ball.

AND YET, you won't prove even your simplest assertions.

I haven't made any arguments though. I haven't even begun to debate you. All I'm doing is pointing out that you don't understand what we're even talking about and you continue to prove that for me.

Why won't you prove anything you're saying?

How have a contradicted myself? I said God is One, God has no beginning or end and God knows all. That's all I've said. Out of those 3 characteristics, where is the contradiction?

Prove the bolded statements.

Not only are you ignorant on the subject, but I'm beginning to question your mental capacity in general. I'm telling you the definition of God and you're saying "prove it". There is nothing to prove I'm just trying to introduce you to the topic at hand. A topic you seem to know very little to nothing about.

There is something to prove.

Prove that what you're saying about "god" is true and supported by evidence.

Classic book smart person who lacks common sense. I know a chick up for her PhD in some field or other. Didn't stop her from getting scammed via email by an African.

So?

Maybe you should read a text book on this since all you seem to be able to do is repeat what someone else has already said.

An utterly stupid comment.

Who said I want you to believe anything? You're very confused. You're arguing with yourself in the guise of me. I'm not arguing with you.

By replying?

And it's not my fault you're so ignorant on the subject. To be honest you're annoying and I wouldn't even bother educating you on such things. I'm not here to make you believe anything, I'm just pointing out the ridiculousness, hypocrisy and total ignorance of YOUR position. I haven't said much about myself.

So prove what you're saying already.

If you want to say I'm arguing and have an argument, then it wouldn't rest on me bragging about what I claim to know. Instead, such an argument would be based solely on, and simply that, YOU don't know anything about God.

I haven't said anything about myself and I'm not arguing with you. I haven't even seen you make a valid point to jump in and counter-argue. I'm just sitting back and watching you dedicate hours on end talking about something you obviously don't know anything about.

It's quite comical if I must say

You keep saying "you don't understand" and do nothing to "correct" what I seem to not understand.

Are you 12?

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

@Napoleon

You are saying something doesn't exist, yet you don't even know what that something is.

Your predicament doesn't appear the least bit absurd to you?

And I'm supposed to engage in debate with you?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

@Napoleon

You are saying something doesn't exist, yet you don't even know what that something is.

Your predicament doesn't appear the least bit absurd to you?

And I'm supposed to engage in debate with you? ​

I DID NOT SAY THAT.

I HAVE NEVER SAID GOD DOES NOT EXIST...MERELY YOU HAVE NOT DEMONSTRATED THAT HE DOES.

IM NOT SAYING YOURE WRONG, BUT THAT YOU HAVENT DEMONSTRATED YOURSELF TO BE RIGHT!!!​

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I DID NOT SAY THAT.

I HAVE NEVER SAID GOD DOES NOT EXIST...MERELY YOU HAVE NOT DEMONSTRATED THAT HE DOES.

IM NOT SAYING YOURE WRONG, BUT THAT YOU HAVENT DEMONSTRATED YOURSELF TO BE RIGHT!!!​

Wrong, little man.

Watch this. My original post that you responded to:

It should be a personal thing. What do my beliefs have to do with you and vice versa? People die over religion because of what homie said, overestimating the importance of their beliefs. My beliefs are important to me as I'm sure most people's are but when I try to project that on the next man, that's when it becomes a problem.

And you responded with probably the most ridiculously asinine post in internet history:

If kept to yourself?

Nothing.

buuuuuuuuuuut, since thats not the case, then we have a problem.

Are you for real? If kept to yourself? You're by farrrr the biggest soap box preacher I've ever come across in life. You can't be serious, breh.

And even more ironically you agreed with me in principle fully, yet between the 2 of us you are the only one guilty of the very thing you complain about in your own post!

NEWSFLASH: You're the one making all the religious threads trying to spread whatever rhetoric we've all heard over and over and obviously don't care about.


Wait, it gets weirder. This chronological order, you can check.

When I basically laughed at you and nothing else, you responded with:

which still doesn't justify any religions claims you've made.

What religious claim? That people should do what they do and let others be? The statement you agreed with while attempting to disagree with me in the most ironic way ever.

But that's not all. After a bunch of diagrams showing how I was "wrong" (even though you agreed with me in the same post ) I decided to have some fun with you and said:

If you tell me I'm wrong, yes the burden of proof is on you. Since YOU'RE the one making the claim that I'm wrong. So prove your claim that "I am wrong".

Why would that burden be on me? It's your claim.

You say I'm wrong, prove it...

But that was cheating. I knew you could never prove I was wrong because I hadn't even said anything.

I was playing your own "prove it" card and it went right over your head. This let me know you would be an easy target to have fun with. No homo, bro.

Then you went on to volunteer:

I CAN however prove that things once asserted as foundations for belief in gods have been incorrectly levied AND are in fact wrong.

Oh really? Proceed...

Everything from natural disasters to human traits and characteristics to phenomena like gravity or electricity.

So understanding gravity or electricity proves God didn't create those things?

"Gravity exists, therefore, there is no way God could have created it."

That's your proof?

Oh it's time to have a little more fun with this guy. ...

You continued...

500 years ago the thought was that gravity was the result of a god. Even Galileo and Copronicus thought so...until Newton came along.

This sentence only makes sense if you don't know understand the concept of God. I can get a good feel for what your concept is by the language you use, the assumptions you make, the arguments you present. So therefore I would never argue with you about God. That would be as pointless as arguing with a perfect stranger about events from my own life.

Your thinking that the discovery of electricity would eliminate God from the equation only tells me you don't understand the true concept of God. And to be fair, you did say "a god", not God. Just further proves we're not talking about the same thing though. I'm not talking about a god. I'm talking about God, a concept that seems to elude you. What you're thinking about, "gods" are actually nothing like God at all.





And on and on this went. Yeah, I admit, I led you deep into a web of your own cluelessness. I wasn't arguing with you, I was mocking you. Sorry.

It's just your supreme confidence in your intellect, yet inability to even follow along in a conversation that you started to fascinates me. I said something you agreed with completely and you're so in love with your straw man () that you're demanding he prove these imaginary claims while simultaneously quoting me.

I just ran circles around you for fun and you didn't even know it because you're too busy fighting a battle that isn't even there. You just had a whole debate with yourself, pretty much about nothing too.

I gotta stop man. Just couldn't help myself. But in my defense you made it too easy.

Have fun proving whatever it is you set out to prove.