Christian’s only: how do we feel about racism in the Body of Christ? ✝️

[Secure Da Bag]

You can't be a true Christian and racist
The second greatest commandment love your neighbor as yourself.

Is slavery racist?

 

[Hov]

Exactly my point, a moral and just God wouldn’t allow slavery to exist let alone condone it in its holy book.

And who decides what is moral and just

You?

What is moral and just and whose definition are we using?

What is justice? IF there were a such thing as a Creator of the entire universe, do you think every bad person who does bad things would be punished by…jail time? Death?

Is death a moral and just punishment for whipping the skin off of a black woman because she didn’t perform her slave duties to expectations?

Who decides judgement? What is moral?

You’re saying moral and just because in your heart you know right from wrong. Why? Why aren’t you acting like a lion or a wild animal? Why don’t you feel that people taking dogs from their families and having them as pets isn’t an issue?

Because we are humans, uniquely created and with morality in our hearts that we can choose to shake if we want. And eternal judgement is REAL, just as the inner monologue going on in your mind telling you to not believe what I am saying, but somehow science still can’t determine just why we have that…

And condoning slavery is something that has been debunked and clarified 1000x times on every platform including this one, but if you choose to believe the transatlantic slave trade was justified Biblically in any way, man I have a history lesson for YOU (hint, our ancestors and motherland religion and Islam play a big juicy role )

 

[dezert_storm]

because…of slavery?

I pray ask what were African doing to other African before transatlantic slavery? Living in Wakanda?

Moral justice would be delivered…on Earth?

Small view of the Creator if the Universe you have there buddy

He’s right. The Bible, Torah, and Quran all have prohibitions against things like eating certain foods and dressing a certain way but you can’t find one verse in any of those books that prohibits slavery. I don’t see how any 21st century human can follow these religions, much less black people.

 

[Ducktales]

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)


Praise jehovah for slavery. We needed those chains and whips , castration, rape and so on. Without it we wouldn’t be good Christian’s. Ain’t God good?

 

[CrushedGroove]

The people that make up the body aren't perfect, so neither will their walk be. Racism, like all sin, needs to be worked out. If you have issues with lust, you can receive salvation and turn your life to God, but it doesn't mean that you won't struggle with lust.

You just have to recognize your own sin for what it is and constantly seek repentance. Even if you don't act on it, it's a matter of the heart. So, repenting then going straight to JBO shows your heart is wrong and you won't receive mercy for that.

Just like repenting for racism to then open your laptop to research ways to further implement Project 2025 knowing it's targeting your minority neighbors will send you to the pit.

 

[east]

racism is so ingrained among non-Black christians that they have to resort to regularly publishing apologia like this:

Is it true that God cursed one of Noah's sons, who became the founder

“Is it true that God cursed one of Noah's sons, who became the founder of the black race? My uncle is very prejudiced against people of other races, a

billygraham.org

ofc the "this is not true" is a lie, the most widely distributed bibles were publishing this racist apocrypha well into the twentieth century:

Oxford University Press, one of the world’s most prestigious academic publishers, has a bestselling book of all time that it doesn’t often celebrate. That bestseller is the Scofield Reference Bible, edited by C. I. Scofield, first published in 1909, updated in 1917, and revised in 1967. In its first few decades, the SRB sold more than two million copies and, by one estimate, has sold more than ten million copies in its lifetime. It still sells in various formats in dozens of languages.

These sales have influenced an entire religious subculture in the English-speaking world. Indeed, the SRB’s widespread adoption by lay evangelicals since 1909 has made it something of a driver of U.S. evangelical and fundamentalist culture writ large.

The SRB was successful precisely because on many topics it did not question received views and presented those received views as justifiable in a modern intellectual climate. This includes views that are rejected today but were commonplace in the early twentieth century, including the “gap theory” interpretation of Genesis 1 and the racist assumption of a “curse of Ham” (see Scofield’s note for Gen. 9:1).

The Bestselling Reference Bible That Remade American Evangelicalism | Daniel Hummel

By combining familiar and original material, the Scofield Reference Bible ushered in a theological sea change.

textandcanon.org

 

[valet]

We're using this for VBS this week. Black art has always been the norm. So I haven't encountered White Christians who would be upset at this. Not saying it doesn't happen. Just not my experience.

 

[Outlaw]

And who decides what is moral and just

You?

What is moral and just and whose definition are we using?

What is justice? IF there were a such thing as a Creator of the entire universe, do you think every bad person who does bad things would be punished by…jail time? Death?

Is death a moral and just punishment for whipping the skin off of a black woman because she didn’t perform her slave duties to expectations?

Who decides judgement? What is moral?

You’re saying moral and just because in your heart you know right from wrong. Why? Why aren’t you acting like a lion or a wild animal? Why don’t you feel that people taking dogs from their families and having them as pets isn’t an issue?

Because we are humans, uniquely created and with morality in our hearts that we can choose to shake if we want. And eternal judgement is REAL, just as the inner monologue going on in your mind telling you to not believe what I am saying, but somehow science still can’t determine just why we have that…

And condoning slavery is something that has been debunked and clarified 1000x times on every platform including this one, but if you choose to believe the transatlantic slave trade was justified Biblically in any way, man I have a history lesson for YOU (hint, our ancestors and motherland religion and Islam play a big juicy role )

Morality as laid out in the Bible. The morality in the Bible conflicts with the actions of the biblical God. Israel had slaves, and God allowed it to happen. God genocides entire ethnicities because he thought Jews deserved a piece of land. The Bible says God is love but God will kill you if you worship an inanimate object. God allowed animals to be homosexuals but will kill them for being homosexuals. God murdered innocent Egyptian first borns because their Jews were held captive. God murdered 99% of humanity because they wouldn’t listen to Noah.

You’re asking philosophical questions that you aren’t equipped to answer. The Bible has worse morality than we do now because it was written by primitive humans.

If you believe in Noah’s ark then you might as well believe in Santa Claus

 

[Westbama Heartthrob]

The Old Testament was built on racism, entire ethnicities were slaughtered just so Jews could have a promised land.

It was a different time back then

 

[Outlaw]

The very fact that Jews are considered the chosen people in the Bible shows that the biblical God is a racist.

 

[SpikeLee Cumbersmith]

Those racists aren’t actually true Christian’s. The Bible even says to not deal with them and to call em out on their bigotry.

Can you provide us with the verse?

 

[Hov]

You’re mixing modern moral instincts with ancient context and projecting that mismatch back onto the Bible without understanding what’s actually happening in the text. That’s like criticizing a heart transplant in 1905 because it didn’t meet today’s surgical standards.

Yes, Israel had slaves. So did literally every nation on earth at the time. But biblical “slavery” in Israel was indentured servitude, changing how our ancestors and how the rest of the world BRUTALLY carried on.

People worked off debts. Do you work off your debts?? Foreign wars brought captives. Bible says let em work for seven years, let them go to be free and live life. Wow. That’s beautiful actually.

But what were they to do with foreigners prisoners Mr Morale? Behead them perhaps? Instead the God you hate so much progressively moved His people away from brutality. Then, Christ re-centered everything around love and freedom. During a time when no race no culture in the WORLD was doing that (you can’t possibly know anything about history breh lol)

As for God judging nations: those “genocides” weren’t random acts of violence. They were divine judgments after centuries of warnings. The Canaanites sacrificed children, practiced ritual sex abuse, and defiled everything around them.

So should they have been allowed to do so? Because before you complained that God didn’t stop anything now you’re complaining He did, pick your complaint.

Regarding the Egyptians…read the story again. Pharaoh was warned repeatedly. He enslaved an entire people, killed their babies, and hardened his heart even when given chances. The final plague was horrific, yes, but it came after nine prior warnings and was meant to shock a tyrant into letting people go. You’re judging that as if God killed children for fun.

You also said animals are gay so God is a hypocrite. That’s not even a serious argument. God didn’t create animals for moral obedience. He gave humans image-bearing status, conscience, and moral law. What animals do instinctively has nothing to do with what humans are commanded to do in covenant relationship.

And about Noa….if you actually read the text, the world was violent and corrupted beyond repair. This wasn’t “God killed people who wouldn’t listen to Noah.” It was God cleansing a system infected with evil. That sounds intense to you because you don’t believe sin is real. But if it is, and if left unchecked it spreads and destroys everything, then a reset becomes a mercy.

Last, comparing Noah to Santa Claus isn’t an argument, you’re just mocking. Noah’s story is actually supported by flood traditions from almost every ancient culture on earth. Santa Claus is a modern consumer myth. Not remotely the same category.

If you’re going to challenge the Bible, do it with intellectual honesty. Otherwise, you’re just playing games with your eternity, for internet daps.

 

[dezert_storm]

You’re mixing modern moral instincts with ancient context and projecting that mismatch back onto the Bible without understanding what’s actually happening in the text. That’s like criticizing a heart transplant in 1905 because it didn’t meet today’s surgical standards.

Yes, Israel had slaves. So did literally every nation on earth at the time. But biblical “slavery” in Israel was indentured servitude, changing how our ancestors and how the rest of the world BRUTALLY carried on.

People worked off debts. Do you work off your debts?? Foreign wars brought captives. Bible says let em work for seven years, let them go to be free and live life. Wow. That’s beautiful actually.

But what were they to do with foreigners prisoners Mr Morale? Behead them perhaps? Instead the God you hate so much progressively moved His people away from brutality. Then, Christ re-centered everything around love and freedom. During a time when no race no culture in the WORLD was doing that (you can’t possibly know anything about history breh lol)

As for God judging nations: those “genocides” weren’t random acts of violence. They were divine judgments after centuries of warnings. The Canaanites sacrificed children, practiced ritual sex abuse, and defiled everything around them.

So should they have been allowed to do so? Because before you complained that God didn’t stop anything now you’re complaining He did, pick your complaint.

Regarding the Egyptians…read the story again. Pharaoh was warned repeatedly. He enslaved an entire people, killed their babies, and hardened his heart even when given chances. The final plague was horrific, yes, but it came after nine prior warnings and was meant to shock a tyrant into letting people go. You’re judging that as if God killed children for fun.

You also said animals are gay so God is a hypocrite. That’s not even a serious argument. God didn’t create animals for moral obedience. He gave humans image-bearing status, conscience, and moral law. What animals do instinctively has nothing to do with what humans are commanded to do in covenant relationship.

And about Noa….if you actually read the text, the world was violent and corrupted beyond repair. This wasn’t “God killed people who wouldn’t listen to Noah.” It was God cleansing a system infected with evil. That sounds intense to you because you don’t believe sin is real. But if it is, and if left unchecked it spreads and destroys everything, then a reset becomes a mercy.

Last, comparing Noah to Santa Claus isn’t an argument, you’re just mocking. Noah’s story is actually supported by flood traditions from almost every ancient culture on earth. Santa Claus is a modern consumer myth. Not remotely the same category.

If you’re going to challenge the Bible, do it with intellectual honesty. Otherwise, you’re just playing games with your eternity, for internet daps.

Almost everything you mentioned can be countered by the fact that Christians believe that God is all-knowing, all-powerful, and benevolent. Plus the Bible shows that God regularly interferes in human affairs. Why would God create the people that were subjected to genocide if he ultimately knew that they’d become wicked when he created them? You also conveniently left out that God himself hardened Pharaoh’s heart according to the story, so essentially he did kill babies for fun. If God is just then he could’ve created a world where the concept of slavery didn’t exist. You also say that the Bible is written for the morality of the people at the time, which doesn’t really make sense considering that the Bible is supposed to guide us to this day. It’s like when Muslims say that Muhammad marrying a 6 year old wasn’t immoral because child marriage was commonplace at the time, but also say that he’s an example for men to follow for all times.

 

[ba'al]

I think it's sad to be honest.

I grew up A.M.E (African Methodist Episcopal) that church came into being because of racism.

 

[MMS]

Any assertion that there are higher or lower races contradicts the Bible (mankind has a single progenitor-Adam). ” + Hieromartyr Daniel Sysoev (Letters, April 21, 2009)

that is only true before the Flood

Genesis 6:7-13

7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.

12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

the hidden narrative is that the characters before Noah and arguably before Deborah can be construed as animals/golems/magical constructs

God never said how he made the animals, just that he spoke and they were

One of the misconceptions amongst christians is the relationship of animals to humans or rather neglecting to acknowledge it. The Greeks depicted themselves as Dogs in egypt...

and the Greeks themselves said that the Greek deities fled to Egypt because of Typhon

Epimenides (7th or 6th century BC) seemingly knew a different version of the story, in which Typhon enters Zeus' palace while Zeus is asleep, but Zeus awakes and kills Typhon with a thunderbolt.[59] Pindar apparently knew of a tradition which had the gods, in order to escape from Typhon, transform themselves into animals, and flee to Egypt.[60] Pindar calls Typhon the "enemy of the gods",[61] and says that he was defeated by Zeus' thunderbolt.[62]

Following Hesiod and others, Nonnus gives Typhon many heads (though untotaled), but in addition to snake heads,[30] Nonnus also gives Typhon many other animal heads, including leopards, lions, bulls, boars, bears, cattle, wolves, and dogs, which combine to make 'the cries of all wild beasts together',[31] and a "babel of screaming sounds".[32] Nonnus also gives Typhon "legions of arms innumerable",[33] and where Nicander had only said that Typhon had "many" hands, and Ovid had given Typhon a hundred hands, Nonnus gives Typhon two hundred.[34]