Christian’s only: how do we feel about racism in the Body of Christ? ✝️

[MMS]

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)


Praise jehovah for slavery. We needed those chains and whips , castration, rape and so on. Without it we wouldn’t be good Christian’s. Ain’t God good?

if you look deeper into that message it is not talking about "people"

as the "people of Israel" represent creatures created by sexual reproduction

so any creature made by sexual reproduction is what is prohibited

Exodus 13:2

2 Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast: it is mine.

so its really saying all "asexual beings" can be taken as slaves

remember it says in Genesis that Eve was the mother of "all" the living. and period blood is pretty nasty

this also alludes to why God commanded Joshua to destroy the inhabitants of the land which were not made by sexual reproduction but were golems in Canaan. The text is not interpreted correctly because its assuming that all peoples/creatures are made the same exact way when that may or may not be true. Jacob and his descendants are regarded as "people" by God

pretty spooky stuff honestly

 

[Hov]

Almost everything you mentioned can be countered by the fact that Christians believe that God is all-knowing, all-powerful, and benevolent. Plus the Bible shows that God regularly interferes in human affairs. Why would God create the people that were subjected to genocide if he ultimately knew that they’d become wicked when he created them? You also conveniently left out that God himself hardened Pharaoh’s heart according to the story, so essentially he did kill babies for fun. If God is just then he could’ve created a world where the concept of slavery didn’t exist. You also say that the Bible is written for the morality of the people at the time, which doesn’t really make sense considering that the Bible is supposed to guide us to this day. It’s like when Muslims say that Muhammad marrying a 6 year old wasn’t immoral because child marriage was commonplace at the time, but also say that he’s an example for men to follow for all times.

First, you’re asking why God would create people who would eventually become wicked. Let me flip that.

Do you believe in free will?

If yes, then by definition, God creating people with real agency means some will choose evil. If no, then you’re asking why God didn’t make moral robots who are programmed to obey. But then you’d call Him a tyrant and say we have no real choices. So which do you want? A world with free will and consequences, or a world with no evil because nobody can actually choose anything?

On Pharaoh: you’re repeating a surface-level argument. The text says multiple times that Pharaoh hardened his own heart before God did. God didn’t hijack a neutral man’s will. He confirmed the path Pharaoh had already chosen. That’s what ancient Hebrew texts call “judicial hardening.” It’s like a judge letting someone go down the path they keep choosing after repeated chances. It’s not God being cruel. It’s a ruler being confronted and refusing, over and over.

On slavery: no one is saying slavery is ideal. But you’re acting like the Bible created it. Slavery existed in every culture in the ancient world. The Bible limited it, regulated it, and gave rights to servants that no other nation did. It also planted the seeds that led to the eventual abolition of slavery in the West. If God had outlawed slavery instantly, Israel would not have survived a week surrounded by brutal empires. Again, context matters. You keep applying 2025 morality to the ancient world without realizing that the morality you’re using is shaped by the biblical worldview you’re trying to dismantle.

You also contradicted yourself. You mocked Christians for using context to explain morality, then used that same logic to defend Muhammad marrying a child by saying it was normal for the time. You can’t have it both ways. Either context matters or it doesn’t. Pick one.

Also, I never said the Bible conforms to the morality of the time. I said it confronts it. That’s exactly why it’s still relevant. It didn’t just mirror the ancient world. It called people to live differently, and that influence still echoes today. If it were just another primitive book, nobody would be talking about it thousands of years later.

Final question. If there’s no God, and humans are just evolved animals with no higher purpose, then where are you getting your sense of right and wrong? Why is genocide or slavery objectively wrong in your worldview? You’re borrowing moral language from the same belief system you claim is broken. If morality is just a human construct, then everything is just opinion, and you have no real ground to stand on.

So be honest. Either morality is real and needs a source beyond us, or it’s just your personal taste. But if it’s just taste, then why should anyone care what you think?

 

[Diunx]

Black people following this foolishness will never not be embarrassing.

Bu bu but Christianity is African

 

[Outlaw]

First, you’re asking why God would create people who would eventually become wicked. Let me flip that.

Do you believe in free will?

If yes, then by definition, God creating people with real agency means some will choose evil. If no, then you’re asking why God didn’t make moral robots who are programmed to obey. But then you’d call Him a tyrant and say we have no real choices. So which do you want? A world with free will and consequences, or a world with no evil because nobody can actually choose anything?

On Pharaoh: you’re repeating a surface-level argument. The text says multiple times that Pharaoh hardened his own heart before God did. God didn’t hijack a neutral man’s will. He confirmed the path Pharaoh had already chosen. That’s what ancient Hebrew texts call “judicial hardening.” It’s like a judge letting someone go down the path they keep choosing after repeated chances. It’s not God being cruel. It’s a ruler being confronted and refusing, over and over.

On slavery: no one is saying slavery is ideal. But you’re acting like the Bible created it. Slavery existed in every culture in the ancient world. The Bible limited it, regulated it, and gave rights to servants that no other nation did. It also planted the seeds that led to the eventual abolition of slavery in the West. If God had outlawed slavery instantly, Israel would not have survived a week surrounded by brutal empires. Again, context matters. You keep applying 2025 morality to the ancient world without realizing that the morality you’re using is shaped by the biblical worldview you’re trying to dismantle.

You also contradicted yourself. You mocked Christians for using context to explain morality, then used that same logic to defend Muhammad marrying a child by saying it was normal for the time. You can’t have it both ways. Either context matters or it doesn’t. Pick one.

Also, I never said the Bible conforms to the morality of the time. I said it confronts it. That’s exactly why it’s still relevant. It didn’t just mirror the ancient world. It called people to live differently, and that influence still echoes today. If it were just another primitive book, nobody would be talking about it thousands of years later.

Final question. If there’s no God, and humans are just evolved animals with no higher purpose, then where are you getting your sense of right and wrong? Why is genocide or slavery objectively wrong in your worldview? You’re borrowing moral language from the same belief system you claim is broken. If morality is just a human construct, then everything is just opinion, and you have no real ground to stand on.

So be honest. Either morality is real and needs a source beyond us, or it’s just your personal taste. But if it’s just taste, then why should anyone care what you think?

Your view of what God is inferior and very primitive.

The fact that you think you can describe or quantify God shows the fallibility of your ideology.

The Biblical God has an ego, can experience jealousy, anger and spite. Do you think the most supreme being in existence would have such human emotions?

The pettiness of your God would be like you caring what some random bacteria does inside an ant in the middle of the Amazon

 

[mattw1313]

Get off the plantation. Those cacs gave you a different religion from the one they practice and they want you to stay there.

 

[RedBull]

It’s an oxymoron.

 

[Hov]

Your view of what God is inferior and very primitive.

The fact that you think you can describe or quantify God shows the fallibility of your ideology.

The Biblical God has an ego, can experience jealousy, anger and spite. Do you think the most supreme being in existence would have such human emotions?

The pettiness of your God would be like you caring what some random bacteria does inside an ant in the middle of the Amazon

You just said it’s “primitive” to try to describe God, but you literally just described what you think God should be like. So which is it?

Are we allowed to talk about God’s nature or not? Because if you’re saying my view is wrong, that means you believe your view is right. That’s a contradiction. You’re doing the same thing you accuse me of - you’re just replacing the biblical God with your own opinion of what a “real” God should be.

Also, calling God “petty” for having emotions like jealousy or anger shows you don’t understand what those words mean in context. God’s jealousy isn’t like a clingy ex. It’s about covenant loyalty my G….like a spouse who won’t tolerate betrayal. If you think love without jealousy exists, then you’ve never loved anything deeply.

The fact that God cares what humans do doesn’t make Him petty it makes Him personal. A God who doesn’t care what happens to His creation isn’t superior that’s indifference and that’s not good for us.

And your bacteria analogy falls apart too. You’re assuming God is like us, scaled up. That’s not the biblical view. God isn’t just a bigger version of us. He’s outside time and space but still chooses to engage with His creation.

You keep trying to strip God of emotion, will, and judgment as if a “real” God should be detached and neutral. But that’s just a cold philosophy textbook version of divinity. The biblical God is not a force. He’s not a concept. He’s not your idea of what a deity should be. He’s the one who defines right, wrong, love, justice, and purpose. You’re not critiquing a weak God. You’re reacting to a God you can’t control.

You called Him petty because He gets angry at sin. But if He didn’t, you’d say He’s unjust for not doing anything about evil. Again, you’re cornered by your own logic. You want God to be good without ever judging evil, powerful without ever acting, loving without ever caring what people do. That’s not a God. That’s a mascot for your personal comfort.

So here’s the truth. You’re not objecting to the Bible because it lacks depth. You’re objecting because deep down, you don’t want a God you have to answer to. And that’s fine. Just be honest about it. But don’t pretend that your version of “god” is more evolved. It’s just safer.

 

[Hov]

Get off the plantation. Those cacs gave you a different religion from the one they practice and they want you to stay there.

You’re telling me to get off the plantation, but you’re stuck on a narrative that was handed to you without receipts. Let’s really talk about this.

You act like the “old religion” was some peaceful, divine system until Christianity showed up. But do you actually know what went on in those systems?

Let someone with REAL connections to the land you fantasize about talk to you:

Human sacrifice was common across West Africa. In Dahomey, Ashanti, Benin, and other kingdoms, people were killed to honor gods, buried alive with kings, or slaughtered in public rituals. Children. Twins. Albinos. Disabled people. Women were given as wives to shrines.

Thats what you want?

And don’t make me touch on the Ashanti to Ghana atrocities. You don’t want to know how that empire partnered with the Europeans to develop the transatlantic slave trade. Unless you think white people were superheroes running through African lands with limited bullets and people and grabbing thousands of Africans

This ain’t some whitewashed history. This is documented by African historians and firsthand witnesses. You can read the accounts. Go look up what the priests of Vodun, Ifa, and others did when kings needed spiritual power. It wasn’t prayer and peace. It was death and fear.

Now compare that to Christianity. Not the version twisted by slave traders, but the actual gospel. It says every person is made in the image of God. It says the poor matter. The weak matter. Women matter. It created schools, hospitals, human rights movements. Black Christians used it to break chains. You ever heard of Olaudah Equiano? Samuel Ajayi Crowther? Sojourner Truth? Frederick Douglass? Harriet Tubman? They weren’t talking to ancestors. They were walking with Jesus.

And since you brought up plantations, remember this. The same “cacs” you’re mad at also brought Islam and guns into the slave trade. Arabs enslaved Africans for over 1,000 years before the Atlantic trade even began. They castrated the men, trafficked women, and wiped out entire villages. Still happening in parts of Africa today. But I don’t see you telling people to “get off the mosque.”

Also, Christianity didn’t start in Europe. The Ethiopian church has been Christian since the first century. Nubia had Christian kingdoms before France ever heard the name Jesus. Some of the earliest church fathers were African. So if anything, Christianity was in Africa before it ever reached London.

Let’s be real. The gospel transformed the world. It lifted nations out of darkness. It gave slaves a reason to believe they had value. It broke down tribal superiority. And today it still brings healing, purpose, and freedom across the globe.

You can keep defending the old ways that left people in fear and blood rituals. Or you can face the truth. Jesus set more Black people free than any shrine, spirit, or system ever has.

 

[Outlaw]

You just said it’s “primitive” to try to describe God, but you literally just described what you think God should be like. So which is it?

Are we allowed to talk about God’s nature or not? Because if you’re saying my view is wrong, that means you believe your view is right. That’s a contradiction. You’re doing the same thing you accuse me of - you’re just replacing the biblical God with your own opinion of what a “real” God should be.

Also, calling God “petty” for having emotions like jealousy or anger shows you don’t understand what those words mean in context. God’s jealousy isn’t like a clingy ex. It’s about covenant loyalty my G….like a spouse who won’t tolerate betrayal. If you think love without jealousy exists, then you’ve never loved anything deeply.

The fact that God cares what humans do doesn’t make Him petty it makes Him personal. A God who doesn’t care what happens to His creation isn’t superior that’s indifference and that’s not good for us.

And your bacteria analogy falls apart too. You’re assuming God is like us, scaled up. That’s not the biblical view. God isn’t just a bigger version of us. He’s outside time and space but still chooses to engage with His creation.

You keep trying to strip God of emotion, will, and judgment as if a “real” God should be detached and neutral. But that’s just a cold philosophy textbook version of divinity. The biblical God is not a force. He’s not a concept. He’s not your idea of what a deity should be. He’s the one who defines right, wrong, love, justice, and purpose. You’re not critiquing a weak God. You’re reacting to a God you can’t control.

You called Him petty because He gets angry at sin. But if He didn’t, you’d say He’s unjust for not doing anything about evil. Again, you’re cornered by your own logic. You want God to be good without ever judging evil, powerful without ever acting, loving without ever caring what people do. That’s not a God. That’s a mascot for your personal comfort.

So here’s the truth. You’re not objecting to the Bible because it lacks depth. You’re objecting because deep down, you don’t want a God you have to answer to. And that’s fine. Just be honest about it. But don’t pretend that your version of “god” is more evolved. It’s just safer.

God is infinity, we are God, everything that exists is God. Reality is God. “Nothing” is God. God is consciousness itself. The Biblical God exists as an illusion within the divine Lila but it doesn’t exist in our plane of existence more than that, similar to Superman also being God but he doesn’t exist outside of our conscious imagination.

 

[Hov]

God is infinity, we are God, everything that exists is God. Reality is God. “Nothing” is God. God is consciousness itself. The Biblical God exists as an illusion within the divine Lila but it doesn’t exist in our plane of existence more than that, similar to Superman also being God but he doesn’t exist outside of our conscious imagination.

You call yourself a god but you’re going to die like a man

You talk about black lives but you’re here regurgitating Ascended master / Hindu mysticism which stems from German & Theosophists

Who are

White People who taught “divine wisdom” (as they called it) and that black people are inferior and belonged to less evolved races and had animal souls

And there my friends is the matrix - this dumb we are god / Christ consciousness / bs that made yall believe it’s your believe and your culture and it’s really the white people you running from are controlling you from the grave

 

[Outlaw]

You call yourself a god but you’re going to die like a man

You talk about black lives but you’re here regurgitating Ascended master / Hindu mysticism which stems from German & Theosophists

Who are

White People who taught “divine wisdom” (as they called it) and that black people are inferior and belonged to less evolved races and had animal souls

And there my friends is the matrix - this dumb we are god / Christ consciousness / bs that made yall believe it’s your believe and your culture and it’s really the white people you running from are controlling you from the grave

Yes everyone dies and our consciousness returns to the source which is God. We are all in a play imagined by absolute infinity.

Here’s a fractal version of our existence. Imagine this but on an infinite scale. A form of intelligence creating a realm of existence just from mere thought. We do it in fractals when we dream or when we use imagination

Generative AI creates playable version of Doom game with no code

A neural network can recreate the classic computer game Doom despite using none of its code or graphics, hinting that generative AI could be used to create games from scratch in future

www.newscientist.com

 

[Hov]

Yes everyone dies and our consciousness returns to the source which is God. We are all in a play imagined by absolute infinity.

Here’s a fractal version of our existence. Imagine this but on an infinite scale. A form of intelligence creating a realm of existence just from mere thought. We do it in fractals when we dream or when we use imagination

Generative AI creates playable version of Doom game with no code

A neural network can recreate the classic computer game Doom despite using none of its code or graphics, hinting that generative AI could be used to create games from scratch in future

www.newscientist.com

After you mock God

You come here give a statement of what happens when we die

Tell everyone who and where you learned that from…because you didn’t just make it up, so who taught you this? (I know, but tell the ppl)

No we are getting somewhere

 

[Outlaw]

After you mock God

You come here give a statement of what happens when we die

Tell everyone who and where you learned that from…because you didn’t just make it up, so who taught you this? (I know, but tell the ppl)

No we are getting somewhere

Enlightenment isn’t a religion, it becomes common sense once you have enough awakenings

 

[mattw1313]

You’re telling me to get off the plantation, but you’re stuck on a narrative that was handed to you without receipts. Let’s really talk about this.

You act like the “old religion” was some peaceful, divine system until Christianity showed up. But do you actually know what went on in those systems?

Let someone with REAL connections to the land you fantasize about talk to you:

Human sacrifice was common across West Africa. In Dahomey, Ashanti, Benin, and other kingdoms, people were killed to honor gods, buried alive with kings, or slaughtered in public rituals. Children. Twins. Albinos. Disabled people. Women were given as wives to shrines.

Thats what you want?

And don’t make me touch on the Ashanti to Ghana atrocities. You don’t want to know how that empire partnered with the Europeans to develop the transatlantic slave trade. Unless you think white people were superheroes running through African lands with limited bullets and people and grabbing thousands of Africans

This ain’t some whitewashed history. This is documented by African historians and firsthand witnesses. You can read the accounts. Go look up what the priests of Vodun, Ifa, and others did when kings needed spiritual power. It wasn’t prayer and peace. It was death and fear.

Now compare that to Christianity. Not the version twisted by slave traders, but the actual gospel. It says every person is made in the image of God. It says the poor matter. The weak matter. Women matter. It created schools, hospitals, human rights movements. Black Christians used it to break chains. You ever heard of Olaudah Equiano? Samuel Ajayi Crowther? Sojourner Truth? Frederick Douglass? Harriet Tubman? They weren’t talking to ancestors. They were walking with Jesus.

And since you brought up plantations, remember this. The same “cacs” you’re mad at also brought Islam and guns into the slave trade. Arabs enslaved Africans for over 1,000 years before the Atlantic trade even began. They castrated the men, trafficked women, and wiped out entire villages. Still happening in parts of Africa today. But I don’t see you telling people to “get off the mosque.”

Also, Christianity didn’t start in Europe. The Ethiopian church has been Christian since the first century. Nubia had Christian kingdoms before France ever heard the name Jesus. Some of the earliest church fathers were African. So if anything, Christianity was in Africa before it ever reached London.

Let’s be real. The gospel transformed the world. It lifted nations out of darkness. It gave slaves a reason to believe they had value. It broke down tribal superiority. And today it still brings healing, purpose, and freedom across the globe.

You can keep defending the old ways that left people in fear and blood rituals. Or you can face the truth. Jesus set more Black people free than any shrine, spirit, or system ever has.

What the fukk are you talking about i never said i belive in any of that

 

[Neuromancer]