Chuck and Shaq go at it

[nyknick]

Besides you nikkas not liking him, where was Shaq wrong in this?Casey has to repair his relationship with Derozan? Y'all nikkas have spent the better part of two weeks shytting on the Raptors "superstars" but you wanna cape for Chuck and his assessment of how important it is that Casey not rub Derozan the wrong way? Take several seats

It's not the argument itself, it's that he always argues like a bytch. Just because you're louder and yell over everyone doesn't make you right. And even if you're right it makes you sound wrong because you can't even keep it together to let someone finish. Talking over eachother on TV/radio is a no go.

Shaq further compounds it by making it about himself all the time and then putting a cherry on top by bringing up rings.


But yeah fu*k Derozen, team went on a run without him he has nothing to complain about.

 

[Leonard Washington]

I hope history doesnt get revised and people say Kobe carried shaq.

Shaq was the man on the team and at the time, probably the most dominant player ever.

Read 5 posts up from yours

 

[LEEeveryday]

That, I have championships and you don't, argument is tired...

Chuck is right, if your best player is not fukking with you, then anything you try to implement isn't going to work as well as it could have with your full buy in..

And conversely. If the coach doesn't trust his best player to get over a hump, how does that player get better?

I just think that relationship is vital.

 

[The God Poster]

As usual y'all nikkas can't stay on topic

Chuck was right tho....if your franchise player is having a bad game you don't sit him the entire 4th in a playoff game.

I get Shaq point of having repercussions for a bad game but it's not that simple . Players aren't robots or pets

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

 

[I AM WARHOL]

Shaq is 100% right tho. Dont baby this pussies.

 

[nieman]

Why do y'all always bring up Finals talk with Shaq? They don't get to the Finals without Kobe putting in that work early on. Hell, the only reason they beat the Jailblazers was because Kobe put that team on his back. Shaq was guarding nobody in the West, Kobe was tryna do everything.

But all of this new era talk about not winning Rings. The truth is that Shaq never ran into someone like MJ, and the closest was Dream, but Shaq was still East. Chuck, Ewing, Stockton & Malone, legacies are cemented.

Did y'all even watch those Suns vs Bulls Finals? chuck played his a$$ off, it was KJ that struggled. He was shooting horribly and couldn't guard MJ. MJ averaged like 40 on him. Even Thunder Dan was doing his thing. But you can't even count coke-head Richard Dumas, even though he played well. They needed Ced Ceballos to win.

 

[Vintage Eclectic]

They need to replace shaq with Chris Webber. When Shaq gets emotional, it shifts everything in terms of the vibe. He's way too sensitive and self centered

 

[Fenian]

Even when shaq is right he comes off as an insecure bytch.

 

[nieman]

Dumbest Coli narrative on here. Y’all really try to push this idea that Shaq was this great underachiever, presumably to boost up Kobe, but it’s silly either way.

Shaq probably was the greatest underachiever though.

 

[I AM WARHOL]

If you play like a bench player, you should get treated like a bench player. Period

 

[STAN JONES]

Chuck: You cant win if the coach doesn’t have a good relationship with the best player

Shaq: Thats not true cause me and Pat never saw eye to eye in Miami and we won

Chuck: Dwayne was the best player not you

 

[The_Third_Man]

Chuck was never going to win a ring. He was to busy trying to be MJ's friend. Dude was playing golf with him during the NBA finals up in Scottsdale.

It was clearly obvious when in 6 games against the bulls, Chuck had 0 personal fouls against MJ. SMH. Played him like a damn friend.

but but everybody want to be friends now.

 

[Wavy Hair Chipped Teeth]

if that was Prime Kobe playing 46.8 MPG in the finals instead of Dan Majerle, and the 1990 version of Tom Chambers instead of the 1993 version, Suns beat the Bulls in 6

And if the Bulls had prime Bill Russell instead of Horace Grant and 2011 version of Derrick Rose they win 10 straight Finals

 

[Champ_KW]

THAT LINE RIGHT THERE IS WHY I HATE KOBE STANS. Y'ALL LIE EVERYTIME ABOUT WHAT KOBE BRYANT DID AND DID NOT DO.

Kobe got 5 rings but this nikka had SO MUCH HELP in doing so. It's why I call him Demar Derozan with more help and I'm not kidding with that statement. Even post Shaq Kobe Bryant was winning rings going 6-24 in a game 7 and was shooting 40% from the floor that entire series against Boston.

Nobody is winning no damn championship in todays game shooting 40% from the floor. Kobe was able to do it because he had SO MUCH DAMN HELP.

2000 NBA Finals

Shaq- 38 PPG, 17 RPG, 2.5 APG, 2.7 BPG, 61% FG 96/157----6 games
Kobe-16 PPG, 5 RPG, 4 APG, 1.4 BPG, 36% FG%, 33/90----5 games


2001 NBA Finals

Shaq- 33 PPG, 16 RPG, 5 APG, 3.5 BPG, 63/110 57% FG-----5 games
Kobe- 24 PPG, 8 RPG, 6 APG, 1.4 BPG, 44/106 41% FG------5 games


2002 NBA Finals(WEAK NETS TEAM)

Shaq- 37 PPG, 12.25 RPG, 4 APG, 2.75 BPG, 50/84 60% FG----4 games
Kobe-26 PPG, 5.75 RPG, 5 APG, .75 BPG, 36/70 51% FG-------4 games


2010 Finals
KOBE- 28.6ppg, 8 RPG, 3.8 APG 66/163 40%-----7 games

Not to derail the convo, but to be fair, people claim Jordan had "help" with Pippen and Pippen never gave Jordan more than 21ppg in any Finals and gave him a pair of 15ppg performances too. So if MJ can live with the "never won til Pippen got there" or "MJ had a top 50 player for his rings" narrative, then it's fair game to say Shaq "needed" Kobe, no?