Classics Discussion: Raekwon & Ghostface Killah

[Inspect Her Deck]

Ok so some of y'all will be familiar with a project I'm deciding to run. I made this thread: The Official 'Classic Album' Discussion Thread, trying to reach a conclusion as to what defines a classic album. After much discussion, I am running with this definition personally, so take it as you will when you consider your classic albums. But this definition in particular was most agreed upon.

Classic: 1. An album considered by consensus of the core hip hop community to be of the highest quality (doesn't have to be perfect or flawless, just an album that the consensus deems the shyt).
2. Assuming that condition 1 is met, is this an album that has stood the test of time amongst the core hip hop community? Is that an album still held in high regard, still referenced at least ten years after its release? By a consensus of the hip hop community?

Props to @mobbinfms for the definition and also for his help generally in helping me with ideas to create these threads.

So I'll be going through one artist per day, and I will list out all their discography or close to all of it until the year 2005, as we decided that an album needs at least 10 years of existence before it can be called a classic or not.

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To help bring even more attention to these threads, I'm gonna create a hashtag (again props to mobbinfms for the idea) and I urge you guys to click on the tag and click on the option to watch the tag.

Here it is: #coliclassics

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Today we got the GOATfa....Ghostface Killah and his partner in crime Raekwon the Chef!

Get your votes in!

I will be making a POLL. For each album I will present a YES or NO option so if you think that particular album is a classic, you click 'yes' on the poll for THAT album and vice-versa. The acceptance rate for an album to be deemed a CERTIFIED classic is 80%.

If you don't think an album is a classic, DO NOT LEAVE THE POLL BLANK. You vote NO for that album instead so at least we register your vote.

I will NOT count any comments in the thread as votes, you must use the poll. The comments section should be used for discussion only.

Tagging some mods:

@FreshAIG @That Singer Guy... @hustlemania @houston911 @SoulController

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

#coliclassics

3 easy yes votes for OB4CL, Ironman and Supreme Clientele

if only we had the OG Bulletproof Wallets to go off, it would have been a yes

1 more year until FishScale is eligible


GOAT duo, Ghost is the GOAT rapper

 

[SirBiatch]

only 2 classics: Cuban Linx and Supreme Clientele.

Ironman is a good album but not classic.

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

only 2 classics: Cuban Linx and Supreme Clientele.

Ironman is a good album but not classic.

how so?

 

[RichForever]

3 yes votes for OB4CL, Ironman and Supreme Clientele

 

[SirBiatch]

how so?

Ironman's in some ways a poor man's Cuban Linx. Ghost was too much in Rae's shadow at that point. Also, the beats aren't as good on Ironman in some cases. There are tracks on Ironman I never warmed up to.

 

[Deltron]

OB4CL

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

Ironman's in some ways a poor man's Cuban Linx. Ghost was too much in Rae's shadow at that point. Also, the beats aren't as good on Ironman in some cases. There are tracks on Ironman I never warmed up to.

Tbh I thought Ghostface was the better rapper on OB4CL though stylistically he didn't come into his own yet, not least until Wu Forever partially and Supreme Clientele completely.

But Raekwon rebounded and took Ghost's spotlight on that album imo.

As for the album, idk if it's a poor man's OB4CL. In a way yes. But as polished as OB4CL production is, Ironman's is even more so, and some of the songwriting on there from Ghost in particular is stuff Raekwon wouldn't be able to write. I'd say it's less focused as a mafioso album if it can even be categorised as such. More variety imo. Production preferences, meanwhile, are subjective so if you don't like them you don't like them.

But Ironman for me has the quality most definitely, and is influential production-wise. Definitely deserving.

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

@The Ruler 09

I hope you have an explanation for 'no' on Supreme Clientele....

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

Let's rank Ghostface albums from best to worst...

Top 5 Rae & Ghost songs (only the two of them)?

 

[mobbinfms]

#tpc
#tnt
3 classics
The 3rd best album in hip hop history - OBFCL
Ghost with back to back classics
Ghost really got 5 classics in a row from 36 to Supreme

 

[SirBiatch]

Let's rank Ghostface albums from best to worst...

Top 5 Rae & Ghost songs (only the two of them)?

Supreme Clientele
Ironman
Fishscale
Pretty Toney
Wizard of Poetry

Top 5.

Ghost and Rae collabs?
1. Heaven & Hell
2. Apollo Kids
3. Rainy Dayz remix
4. RAGU
5. The Forest (does this count?)

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

#tpc
#tnt
3 classics
The 3rd best album in hip hop history - OBFCL
Ghost with back to back classics
Ghost really got 5 classics in a row from 36 to Supreme

those damn sample clearances prevented a 6th with Bulletproof Wallets

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

Supreme Clientele
Ironman
Fishscale
Pretty Toney
Wizard of Poetry

Top 5.

Ghost and Rae collabs?
1. Heaven & Hell
2. Apollo Kids
3. Rainy Dayz remix
4. RAGU
5. The Forest (does this count?)

why wouldn't The Forest count?

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

My rank:

Ironman
Supreme Clientele
FishScale
Bulletproof Wallets
The Pretty Toney Album
More Fish
The Big Doe Rehab
Twelve Reasons to Die
Apollo Kids
Twelve Reasons to Die II
36 Seasons
Ghostdini: Wizards of Poetry

collabs:

1. Rainy Dayz
2. The M.G.M.
3. Heaven & Hell
4. Can It Be All So Simple
5. 260