Classics Discussion: Three 6 Mafia

[SirBiatch]

What's funny is that many people who are on first appearance not a part of the culture actually do their best (with genuine intentions) to not only integrate themselves into cultural understanding but are also more aware of all the shyt going on more so than the supposed judgers of who and who doesn't belong.

and IronChinWilly is in no situation to comment on who can talk hip-hop and who can't, because he's demonstrated a lack of knowledge of 'his' culture.

in fact this explains why artists go abroad to do shows inc. Canada, UK etc. because there are real hip-hop heads there who respect the culture, meanwhile the legends that you so vehemently defend and honour with the keyboard talk get half the recognition in their own country.

OH shyt!

I'm telling you breh. I've been to more American cities than most of these posters. A lot of these backwater non-East Coast states don't even fukk with hip hop like that.

But let them tell it: it's actually the East Coast that don't know shyt

shyt's amusing.

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

oh and this from Afrika Bambataa himself...

First of all, let me tell you that the music (beats) that makes up hip-hop, comes from different nationalities and races, especially from black people, and if you think I am a brother who don`t know what he is talking about, just check out many of the music, beats, grooves and sounds that many of your rappers use to make their records or rap over. Hip-hop music in general is colorless and not racist.

It comes from many categories in music, for example: Hip-hop music is made up from other forms of music like funk, soul, rhythm & blues, jazz, rock heavy metal, salsa, soca (calypso), TV shows, kiddie shows, horror movies, techno, pop, disco, african, arabic, reggae -etc. . . . and if you use any records from these categories, you will see that the music is made by people from different races or nationalities from all over the planet, but it`s roots start with black people.

so take it from the human embodiment of black excellence himself before you pseudo-militant crusade posters go on one of your autistic rants about who can and can't talk about hip-hop

source: The True Meaning Of Hip-Hop Culture by Afrika Bambaataa

 

[H.I.M.]

How the fukk can you "integrate" into and understand a culture of a people you're not even around and never met in your life.

The mental acobatics used to leach onto people who don't know you exist...because you lack any worthwhile culture of your own.

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

How the fukk can you "integrate" into and understand a culture of a people you're not even around and never met in your life.

The mental acobatics used to leach onto people who don't know you exist...because you lack any worthwhile culture of your own.

No I've been around hip-hop people and regardless, what the fukk does that have to do with understanding?

If you read about the subject or listen to hip-hop greats, both inventors and innovators speaking, you can learn a whole lot from that. Of course, there is nothing like first hand experience, but that doesn't mean you exclude people from a culture just because they're not black or they didn't live in 'da hood'. Cultural appropriation is one thing, but an outsider trying to understand the culture is completely different. And it's even worse when a so-called outsider knows more than the person denigrating them.

Yeah tell a Muslim Palestinian that he lacks a culture of his own. Take this L, and listen to Afrika Bambaataa.

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

Also hip-hop has sampled Arabic music before


why you appropriating my culture breh?

 

[H.I.M.]

Yeah tell a Muslim Palestinian that he lacks a culture of his own.

K

Go on a muslim palestinian board and indulge in your own people's culture if it's so great...and fuk out my face

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

K

Go on a muslim palestinian board and indulge in your own people's culture if it's so great...and fuk out my face

Telling me to fukk off on an internet forum


oooh that's gonna work

I'm heavily indulged in my own culture, but I would never tell someone of a different demographic racially, ethnically whatever to not partake in and celebrate my culture. I would welcome it with open arms, as long as the intentions and purity of thought and action are there.

and on top of that I got more respect for an outsider who knows my culture than a supposed brother who doesn't know shyt and is busy condemning others for wanting to enlighten themselves regarding our culture

furthermore you telling me you have no interest at all in other cultures? you don't have a desire to learn about anything or partake in other cultures?

 

[feelosofer]

I like 3-6 Mafia's production and you could argue that their style is seeing something of a renaissance but I think you have 2 issues in regards to making anything they do classic status. I would agree with people saying they have classic songs, that's fine but lyrically they were never anything special, even in the mid 90's. So you really production is where they hang their hat. Which is also fine but the problem is no one outside of the region is even aware of Mystic Styles (the album that got the most votes), much less of it being a classic. I think that 8-Ball and MJG were far better rappers and their production was just as good and UGK were better spitters by a longshot. So for as influential as 3-6 might be, they were not in the same class lyrically as some of their peers.

 

[feelosofer]

That's because they're the only southern groups these lame ass east coast nikkas bother to acknowledge

They weren't even bothering with Scarface until the Fix and OutKast got too big for them to deny but whatever

Please don't bring up UGK either because they didn't care until Big Pimpin

Not true on either of these, and Supertight turned heads in NJ back in 94 though a lot of people really didn't connect the dots until big pimpin.

 

[H.I.M.]

I like 3-6 Mafia's production and you could argue that their style is seeing something of a renaissance but I think you have 2 issues in regards to making anything they do classic status. I would agree with people saying they have classic songs, that's fine but lyrically they were never anything special, even in the mid 90's. So you really production is where they hang their hat. Which is also fine but the problem is no one outside of the region is even aware of Mystic Styles (the album that got the most votes), much less of it being a classic. I think that 8-Ball and MJG were far better rappers and their production was just as good and UGK were better spitters by a longshot. So for as influential as 3-6 might be, they were not in the same class lyrically as some of their peers.

Lord Infamous can hang with MOST lyrically...that includes Ball & G and Pimp & Bun...i'd take him as a spitter over all of the above...their subject matter is a bit more diverse than his tho...but he does things on the mic they can't tho...he a beast with the multies and metaphors shots out to @Malcom Rhyme King

"counting corpses, in my black fortress
in the hallway painting satanic portraits"



DJ Paul was no slouch either in his prime

 

[SirBiatch]

I like 3-6 Mafia's production and you could argue that their style is seeing something of a renaissance but I think you have 2 issues in regards to making anything they do classic status. I would agree with people saying they have classic songs, that's fine but lyrically they were never anything special, even in the mid 90's. So you really production is where they hang their hat. Which is also fine but the problem is no one outside of the region is even aware of Mystic Styles (the album that got the most votes), much less of it being a classic. I think that 8-Ball and MJG were far better rappers and their production was just as good and UGK were better spitters by a longshot. So for as influential as 3-6 might be, they were not in the same class lyrically as some of their peers.

breh, it's not just lyrically. In fact, my biggest issue with 3 6 is their production. It's not that great. There are some cool ideas here and there, but it's so slapdash in the grand scheme of things. I'm yet to hear a 3 6 beat that's blown me away. I've shytted on SGP many times but his "Pretty Flacko" beat is better than any 3 6 Mafia beat I've ever heard.

These beats are decent but still lackin that extra finesse to put them over the top:







to this day, those are the 3 best 3 6 beats I've heard.

Posters can pretend like east coast elitist trolls haters elitist trolls haters lack the Blackness/creativity/insight to get into 3 6 Mafia (while said elitist troll hater elitist troll is inexplicably into other artists that play in the same sonic pond). The reality is that 3 6 just aint that great.

 

[feelosofer]

Lord Infamous can hang with MOST lyrically...that includes Ball & G and Pimp & Bun...i'd take him as a spitter over all of the above...their subject matter is a bit more diverse than his tho...but he does things on the mic they can't tho...he a beast with the multies and metaphors shots out to @Malcom Rhyme King

"counting corpses, in my black fortress
in the hallway painting satanic portraits"



DJ Paul was no slouch either in his prime

I disagree about Lord Infamous being at those other guys level though he was probably the best.

breh, it's not just lyrically. In fact, my biggest issue with 3 6 is their production. It's not that great. There are some cool ideas here and there, but it's so slapdash in the grand scheme of things. I'm yet to hear a 3 6 beat that's blown me away. I've shytted on SGP many times but his "Pretty Flacko" beat is better than any 3 6 Mafia beat I've ever heard.

These beats are decent but still lackin that extra finesse to put them over the top:







to this day, those are the 3 best 3 6 beats I've heard.

Posters can pretend like east coast elitist trolls haters elitist trolls haters lack the Blackness/creativity/insight to get into 3 6 Mafia (while said elitist troll hater elitist troll is inexplicably into other artists that play in the same sonic pond). The reality is that 3 6 just aint that great.

Can't really say that, the production was unique for the time and it definitely set a template for Southern production moving forward. Of course it's been worked on and refined (even by 3-6 themselves). If nothing else they deserve a good chunk of the credit for that.

 

[SirBiatch]

Can't really say that, the production was unique for the time and it definitely set a template for Southern production moving forward. Of course it's been worked on and refined (even by 3-6 themselves). If nothing else they deserve a good chunk of the credit for that.

Fair enough. But classic status is something else entirely.

And it's not because their beats are "old". It has nothing to do with that. I'm saying: their beats were never that great to begin with.

 

[mobbinfms]

have never seen nikkas try to argue that one of the most influential groups of all time has no classics or was only regional.

Are you arguing that Mystic Styles wasn't regional?

 

[mobbinfms]

I'm pretty sure that any nikka born in the 80's or 90's from anywhere in the country grew up on 3-6.

I was born and raised in the Bay Area. Born in 1980. Nobody knew who 36 was until 97 when Tear the Club up dropped. Nobody cared. By 2000-2001, I knew one person who was a fan.