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YOU said stats don't matter, so i gave you further proof.

You didn't give any facts all opinion and conjecture. Saying Cleveland sucks and other cities are better proves nothing. I gave real tangible indisputable reasoning behind why i think cleveland is better. Cleveland is better. You gave your opinion on what you think you saw. Saying something is magnified ten fold proves nothing. Give me facts like I have given you

Best Hospitals 2011-12: the Honor Roll - US News and World Report

^^^^^ Cleveland clinic # 4 in the nation. Number 1 in cardiology
America
^^^^^ rainbow babies and children hospital. One of the best in the country.


James A Garfield was born in Cleveland in a neighborhood called orange. William McKinley was born halfway between cleveland and Akron in niles Ohio. He was raised in and around Cleveland.

Progressive insurance company was founded and still runs it's business out of Mayfield Ohio(their mail says cleveland)

I misspoke about nestle, it is actually stouffers a subsidiary of nestle that was founded in downtown Cleveland. Every time you eat a tv dinner think about the hard working Clevelander that cooked it for you.

HEICO - Commitment to Aerospace, Defense, and Electronic Solutions
^^^^^^ my company, world renown

Top 10 Museums in the US for Families - AOL Travel News
^^^^^ Cleveland art museum, one of the best in the country
cleveland.com Zoo Cam
^^^^the zoo has the largest collection of primates in north America.


Art, natural history show amid the flowers at botanical gardens - USATODAY.com
^^^^^^ Cleveland botanical gardens THE first and still one of the best urban botanical gardens.

Great Lakes Science Center, Cleveland - Things to Do - VirtualTourist
^^^^^ great lakes science center, one of the largest interactive science museums in America.

Neil Armstrong and Thomas Edison where not born in Cleveland, but they spent substantial amounts of their childhood in Cleveland. They were born in small towns outside of Cleveland, but if they ever influenced, or where influenced by a big city, it was Cleveland.

As for pop culture we got Halle berry, Terance Howard, and Steve Harvey. And the browns despite their shyty play recently, remain one of the most recognizable and storied franchises in NFL history.



And as for the suburbs of Cleveland Yes they have a different city name but in all actuality they are still a part of the greater Cleveland area. For example my kids where born in mayfield Ohio a suburb of Cleveland. But their birth certificates and any legal records are held in downtown Cleveland. I live in Euclid Ohio, but my mail says Cleveland. As far as the census and other statistics go the entire greater Cleveland area is counted as Cleveland.


All irrefutable facts. You can't just say "i went there and I didn't like it"

We could argue all day about which city has the best this and that and cherry pick facts as you said, but at the end of the day when you add all of the features up Clevland is a top 15-20 city hands down, and not deserving of all the hate it gets.
You can do all of this in NY. or Chicago or LA. Frankly its those four and then everyone else.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_city#GaWC_studies

This is a larger list but Cleveland is lower middle and Chicago is ranked above LA. Again why are we going at Chicago. You don't need a car for the Chi, you do for Cleveland. That alone is a reason Chicago > Cleveland.
 

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Lebron will look in the mirror tonight and be happy, but deep inside he will be not completely satisfied, that it was not with Cleveland.
 

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Cleveland hate is strong. I love that we made you so upset that you think about us enough to make threads and check on us even though the city is the shyttiest in America. Thanks for the love
 
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