To a degree but you're eliminating all time great performances if you do that.
Clutchness In Elimination Game Sats. Jordan,LeBron,Kobe & Others.
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Dwight Howard
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LeBron hasnt faced 1 elite defensive team in the finals.
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Which teams in the west would you classify as elite defensively? Just off the top of my head it seems that the majority of the teams that get their defense talked up are in the Eastern Conference.
You are always gonna be eliminating something when you specify. For example you eliminate all time great regular season performances when you focus in on playoff numbers. You eliminate all time great performances from round 1-3 when you focus on the Finals. It's all a matter of what you are looking for/what you value.
Yeah, but we're specifically in the playoff context here. One could say argue that it's a testament to your dominance or greatness that when you have a competent team that you don't end up in elimination situations very often. If Kobe and Shaq were putting up those crazy 01 playoff numbers in game 7s I'd look at them funny because they should not be in game 7s. I hear both sides of it. My thing is this, whenever you have a stat that clearly omits a significant portion of what some all time greats did. It's time to review those stats. Duncan's performance in game 6 of the finals this year was more special than a lot of those games listed.
You would have a point if these guys didn't have game 7's but the fact is they did. Kobe and Shaq had a couple of game 7s together. They faced elimination a few other times together so it's not like they are being ignored here. Like I said before any stat that you use will leave something out. If you are trying to see who shined the most when it was truly go time then it's a solid metric. If you are trying to look at something other than that then you gotta look at some other numbers of course. That said if you are a great/dominant individual player there is no reason why that shouldn't shine through when your team is on the verge of elimination. How truly great are you if you don't get it done (individually not talking team) when the pressure is it's highest?
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I'm not impressed by him "shutting down PF's". I'm impressed with him owning the paint, period. Blocking and altering shots of anybody in the lane. Dominating the glass. He's no scrub. Dude is chiseled and an explosive jumper. That will translate to production in any era. We can speculate all day about what he would and wouldn't be able to do IF.... But the bottom line is, duke gets it done. Can't fault him for not guarding HOF centers if there's none to guard. He's a shot blocker and rebounder and he does both of those things at an elite level.
Because we play them in the East Finals and Semis.
This sums up the whole thread. I hate these kind of threads. Stats are good for reference but they are far from telling the whole truthEye-test > Stats
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That Lebron is a bad mother.........
Damn!
I'm a Kobe fan and I ride for Bean vs. anyone in history, but I thoroughly enjoy Lebron in the playoffs and finals, even though I can't stand his bytch ass squads. It's a shame that him and Kobe didn't come in and hit their primes at the same time.
Damn!
I'm a Kobe fan and I ride for Bean vs. anyone in history, but I thoroughly enjoy Lebron in the playoffs and finals, even though I can't stand his bytch ass squads. It's a shame that him and Kobe didn't come in and hit their primes at the same time.
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Great thread...nice work OP
What do you mean I would have a point if they didn't have game 7s...that doesn't make any sense. Half of that is Shaq playing with a rookie Kobe. He barely went to game 7. These other guys were constantly in this situations, often against lesser competition. I had to stop there. That's just not a good point at all. You keep running with "when the pressure is the brightest" but that's not really proven, people always talk about alternating pressure situations and "closing a team out" because you don't want a game 7. I'll take Shaq smacking up the Pacers in game 6 before having to go to a game 7 every time.
You do realize that this is not just about game 7s but all games where the team is facing elimination right?
If Kobe and Shaq had never played in any elimination games then you would have a point about them being left out. Shaq/Kobe combo faced elimination 6 times together (while Kobe was a starter). That's off top so feel free to correct me if I am wrong. That's a solid sample size to see how they handled that pressure both individually and as a tandem.
To your second point there is no way that the pressure of trying to finish a team off compares to the pressure of your season being on the line. Why do you think there is pressure to close a team out and avoid game 7? Because nobody wants to be in a position where if they lose they go home if they can avoid it. In short the pressure to close a team out is nothing more than an off shoot of the pressure to stay alive. It doesn't get bigger than that.
mbewane
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I'm not impressed by him "shutting down PF's". I'm impressed with him owning the paint, period. Blocking and altering shots of anybody in the lane. Dominating the glass. He's no scrub. Dude is chiseled and an explosive jumper. That will translate to production in any era. We can speculate all day about what he would and wouldn't be able to do IF.... But the bottom line is, duke gets it done. Can't fault him for not guarding HOF centers if there's none to guard. He's a shot blocker and rebounder and he does both of those things at an elite level.
To each his own breh, as I've stated I've seen tons of Orlando games in the playoffs and I've hardly ever been impressed by him, if ever, on either side of the court.Tbh I never understood why opposing teams double-teamed him. He's "the best center" and a multiple DPOY by default imo.