Coli black capitalists, how do you feel about Climate Change?

[Johnny Kilroy]

what does climate change have to do with capitalism?

Capitalism gives no fukks about people or the environment. They'll dump a metric ton of toxic waste in your backyard to save a buck if they could.

Factories and freight destroy the ozone layer, player. Capitalists don't care as long as they stay in the black.

Communist China has had a long record of absolutely destroying the environment. Socialism won't be much better when their primary solution is implementing carbon taxes among other taxes.

All that will do is make costs skyrocket and let a government and big business class profit off of tons of penalties and fees while those same elites skirt all of the regulations that they are putting in place. Just look at how those politicians tell us to watch our carbon footprint while they live in mansions and fly around the country

Do you think there's only 2 possible economic systems? The problem is these countries are too big. A more tribal approach would keep things simple. It's like a mom and pop vs a bug corporation. Way more difficult, if not impossible to manage.

 

[Afro]

So just give up protecting the Earth? Hundreds of millions of black folks will die under these changes worldwide. You think that's a fair tradeoff?

Hundred of millions of folks are going to die regardless. Reality is well past the "climate change is coming" phase. It's prep time for you and yours.

Be more concerned with your immediate surroundings and make sure the folks close to you will be alright.

 

[tuckgod]

Climate change is only a problem when you have permanent settlements.

The ancient humans understood this.

Climate change is inevitable.

The Sahara used to be a sea, Antarctica once was all habitable land, North America was once covered in a thick sheet of ice.

 

[Neuromancer]

Did black men create these climate problems? So why should we be in charge of fixing it? We didn't destroy the planet. Our ancestors were living in harmony with nature because we are spiritual people.

Black women & children are depending on us to provide. Thats why I embrace capitalism.

Black women & children gotta eat - so I'm gonna stack this paper.

I cant be worried about fixing a problem I didn't create.

why does the black man always gotta fix problems created by other people?

God undoes what the devil creates.

 

[Micky Mikey]

Considering that climate change will impact black and brown people most severely I think it's in all our best interest to take it seriously. And if you guys don't take it serious now, I guarantee you will a decade from now. In its relation to capitalism - I don't believe our current way of practicing capitalism will be able to survive once SHTF. It can't it exist as it does today if we expect to survive on this planet.
Also climate change is facet of a much larger issue of our over consumption and the belief we can grow infinitely on a finite planet. Biodiversity loss and plastic pollution are enough to bring down human civilization by themselves. As a species we are really paving the way for our own extinction. If we don't change our ways soon we'll suffer the same fate as all the species we've driven to extinction. That's all I have to say about that

 

[Rack4K]

People who advocate for capitalism do so for economic reasons. Applying an non-economic (environmentalist) argument into the conversation is good for a 'gotcha' but isn't relevant to economics. What about unregulated clean energy capitalism? You can find good and bad in anything.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

you think socialism is the answer to climate change?

what does climate change have to do with capitalism?

Capitalism and the current money system absolutely incentivize constantly increased production and constantly increased consumption. It is impossible for modern capitalism to exist without a continuously growing economy, one in which virtually every actor with power is attempting to get the economy to consume more. That is the natural state of a money-at-interest system and capitalist competition.

Under those circumstances, any long-term, meaningful environmental protection is impossible, because there will always be some private actor willing to pay enough to destroy that much more of the environment for profit.

 

[Diondon]

Wouldn't a paradigm shift to green energy be a new industry to capitalize

 

[Adeptus Astartes]

Wouldn't a paradigm shift to green energy be a new industry to capitalize

Yes, ideally. The problem is industry rigging the game by buying the government. IMHO, We should be throwing everything into plastics alternatives, better electric vehicles, and nuclear energy.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

People who advocate for capitalism do so for economic reasons. Applying an non-economic (environmentalist) argument into the conversation is good for a 'gotcha' but isn't relevant to economics. What about unregulated clean energy capitalism? You can find good and bad in anything.

There is no such thing as pure "clean energy". Solar power requires the mining and then disposal of large amounts of toxic chemicals. Dams destroy watersheds. Wind farms take up large amounts of land and kill enormous amounts of birds. All of them require a great deal of construction materials. "Clean energy" is preferable to the incredible pollution of fossil fuel energy, but it doesn't solve the problem, it only slows it.

And what would that do to stop deforestation? What would that do to stop industrial pollution? What would that do to stop mining? What would that do to stop agricultural pollution and the destruction of topsoil? What would that do to stop every acre of natural land from being taken over by human development?

There is no pure technological solution. At some point we have to halt overconsumption. And capitalism is the ultimate pusher of overconsumption.

Communist China has had a long record of absolutely destroying the environment. Socialism won't be much better when their primary solution is implementing carbon taxes among other taxes.

"Communist China" practices state capitalism, not any meaningful form of socialism. You're just looking at the same capitalist ends with a stronger degree of centralization, but all the basic issues remain.

I'm not sure why you think a "carbon tax" is the primary socialist solution. Yes, imbuing industrial processes with their true social costs would be important. But just as important would be ending capitalist accumulation as the primary means of power, ending loans-at-interest as the primary means of money creation, and increasing public control of land and natural resources rather than leaving them in the hands of short-term profit-seeking capitalists.

 

[Diondon]

Yes, ideally. The problem is industry rigging the game by buying the government. IMHO, We should be throwing everything into plastics alternatives, better electric vehicles, and nuclear energy.

The fossil fuel dinosaurs are clinging to dear life but its inevitable
Especially as Elon Musk is leading the way and becoming the richest man in the world lol
All these car companies coming out with EVs, the shift is occurring in front of our eyes

 

[8.TRES]

Capitalism and the current money system absolutely incentivize constantly increased production and constantly increased consumption. It is impossible for modern capitalism to exist without a continuously growing economy, one in which virtually every actor with power is attempting to get the economy to consume more. That is the natural state of a money-at-interest system and capitalist competition.

Under those circumstances, any long-term, meaningful environmental protection is impossible, because there will always be some private actor willing to pay enough to destroy that much more of the environment for profit.

this doesnt have much of anything to do with what i asked, which is if op thinks socialism is the solution to climate change

 

[Oatmeal]

The climate change argument and supporters aren't genuine. Indiviual ocean liners pollute more than all of the cars globally combined but that wasn't brought up when that ship was stuck in the Suez Canal or ever. That information came out like 10 years ago and is still ignored. Also like stated earlier, China and India pollutes like crazy and literally contaminates other countries when the air currents carry sediments nobody is really gonna step to them.

 

[MajesticLion]

Capitalism and the current money system absolutely incentivize constantly increased production and constantly increased consumption. It is impossible for modern capitalism to exist without a continuously growing economy, one in which virtually every actor with power is attempting to get the economy to consume more. That is the natural state of a money-at-interest system and capitalist competition.

Under those circumstances, any long-term, meaningful environmental protection is impossible, because there will always be some private actor willing to pay enough to destroy that much more of the environment for profit.

Also, capitalism demands that there be built-in blind spots to byproducts and waste in the name of "efficiency".

 

[mykey]

Let the culprits fix climate change