Coli black capitalists, how do you feel about Climate Change?

[ignorethis]

Africa needs fossil fuels to fully industrialize and modernize, but African leadership is so beholden to the will of the Western Hegemony, they'll let their people suffer before they buck their masters.

Everybody else got to use fossil fuels to industrialize, now it's Africa's turn:

"I know you have to worry if you'll be alive in a year with the current state of Africa, but if you guys use fossil fuels sea levels will rise a couple of inches over the next 70 years. Think about the future!"

The former Nigeria minister of Energy even said it while in the position, Africa cannot catch up without fossil fuels.

The Arabs said fukk that shyt. We gonna keep selling this oil.

The Russians said fukk that shyt. Climate change really might be a win for us.

The Chinese said "okay", but just shifted their carbon emissions to less developed nations through carbon colonialism.

But the white-aligned blacks in the West want to regurgitate every their EU masters tell them.

 

[Losttribe]

Micro environments arent affected by the macro. If half the world exploded and most cities arent habitable, the the rural areas still would be livable. The "ball of fire" earth is still over 100 million years away.
Our genetics are the most adaptable, the only adaptable.
The black man needs to produce wealth with Capitalism in the cities
but the 50 million or so of us need to live in the usa rural areas , (for those who arent leaving the county)
Over 40% of the usa is not occupied.
There are beautiful areas that can fit our entire population while these pale devil kill themselves with food, water, chemicals, vaccines and fraudulent healthcare companies, and pollution.....
Soil health is what creates micro environments that still develop property rain water and air.
We cant Actually fix this issue until we fix the first issue .... the pale jews and pale catholics (CACS)- which we need to not live around them and not mate with them.
Ntm.. someone mentioned human trafficking... those some groups control that as well.
They have a negative population growth rate.
We can't change the economic systems of the world and us not participating at its highest levels only leaves us vulnerable.

 

[Micky Mikey]

Africa needs fossil fuels to fully industrialize and modernize, but African leadership is so beholden to the will of the Western Hegemony, they'll let their people suffer before they buck their masters.

Everybody else got to use fossil fuels to industrialize, now it's Africa's turn:

"I know you have to worry if you'll be alive in a year with the current state of Africa, but if you guys use fossil fuels sea levels will rise a couple of inches over the next 70 years. Think about the future!"

The former Nigeria minister of Energy even said it while in the position, Africa cannot catch up without fossil fuels.

The Arabs said fukk that shyt. We gonna keep selling this oil.

The Russians said fukk that shyt. Climate change really might be a win for us.

The Chinese said "okay", but just shifted their carbon emissions to less developed nations through carbon colonialism.

But the white-aligned blacks in the West want to regurgitate every their EU masters tell them.

As the world transitions to solar, wind and nuclear energy, how can African countries realistically benefit from exporting their oil? Also much of Africa will be ravaged by climate change in the coming decades. Some parts will become uninhabitable for any human being to live in. It will be interesting to see if that effects their policy regarding the use of fossil fuels.

 

[Adeptus Astartes]

Everybody else got to use fossil fuels to industrialize, now it's Africa's turn:

This is true. The west used slave labor and polluting industry to claw their way to the top, now they have outsourced their slavery and polluting industry while decrying said industry. You can't go from agrarian to post-industrial immediately. The world needs the third world to remain poor.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

this doesnt have much of anything to do with what i asked, which is if op thinks socialism is the solution to climate change

If all you're concerned about is the OP's view then I can't answer that. But yes, the only real answers to climate change are either "some" form of socialism or an apocalyptic event that leads to societal collapse.

That doesn't mean that every form of socialism would be an answer to climate change, but yes, some form is necessary.

Africa needs fossil fuels to fully industrialize and modernize, but African leadership is so beholden to the will of the Western Hegemony, they'll let their people suffer before they buck their masters.

Everybody else got to use fossil fuels to industrialize, now it's Africa's turn.

A. this is a dogma with no rational basis. There's zero evidence that fossil fuels are necessary for modernization. That's like saying that 1900 America really needed to double-down on horses cause that's what everyone else had used. It makes a ton more sense to invest in cutting-edge technology rather than spending a ton of infrastructure funding to invest in already outdated technology that will be unusable within a generation.

B. Africa largely isn't using its fossil fuels to modernize, it's selling off its fossil fuels to other countries, enriching the wealthy and doing jack shyt for anyone else or for the future of the country. Look at Saudi Arabia, look at Iraq, look at Iran, those countries had massive amounts of fossil fuel and what did it ever give them besides a few wealthy tyrants and militaries that kill each other?

C. Beyond all that, the fundamental question isn't "fossil fuel or no fossil fuel". The fundamental question is, "Do we want development for the society or development just for the rich?" Because capitalism, development for the rich, is fundamentally destructive to everything in society except the profits of the rich. We've seen that over and over, why do you think it would change now?

Micro environments arent affected by the macro.

That isn't even remotely true.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

The climate change argument and supporters aren't genuine. Indiviual ocean liners pollute more than all of the cars globally combined but that wasn't brought up when that ship was stuck in the Suez Canal or ever

Breh that's not remotely true.

First off, you're referring to sulfur oxide alone, not all pollution. Back before 2020 large ships were burning an ugly, poorly refined version of oil that produces a lot of sulfur, while cars produce almost no sulfur. So the 15 largest ships combined (not an individual ocean liner) produced more sulfur than all cars combined, but that's because you're talking about a type of pollution that isn't even relevant to what we're talking about with cars.

Second, your claim is outdated - in January 2020 new international regulations forced fuel producers for these large ships to produce fuel with no more than 0.5% sulfur content, down from the previous limit of 3.5%. So it's false to say that climate change supporters are ignoring the issue when they just helped force governments to cut sulfur emissions of these ships by 85%.

IMO 2020 Regulation.


Third, since global capitalism is the main driver of these gigantic ships, it's a weird flex to try to use this issue to attack environmentalists or socialists when it's capitalists who oppose environmental regulation who are the biggest cause of that problem.

 

[ignorethis]

As the world transitions to solar, wind and nuclear energy, how can African countries realistically benefit from exporting their oil? Also much of Africa will be ravaged by climate change in the coming decades. Some parts will become uninhabitable for any human being to live in. It will be interesting to see if that effects their policy regarding the use of fossil fuels.

The world ain't transitioning no time soon, the entire international trade system is reliant on fossil fuels and one of the biggest carbon contributors, way more than individual carbon emissions.

fukk exporting oil, most African state ran power grids are a joke and holding the country back. They need to start refining oil efficiently, and selling that oil to private business to power industrial equipment, there is no reason for fuel to cost that much in West Africa.

Then they need to say fukk the environment like China did and rapidly develop and industrialize over the course of the next century.

Once industrialization makes sense economically for majority of the population, Africa will naturally develop and evolve like every other developing nation. People gotta stop acting like Africans can't do the same thing the Arabs, Indians, and Asians are doing, it's insulting.

The problem is industrialization makes no sense in Africa right now due to outside influences.

Africa has more than enough land to reliably house it's population, it's the lack of development that makes climate change "something to worry about" because they plan on Africans to still having nomadic herders well into the 22nd century.

 

[Lord_nikon]

Climate Change Is inevitable

 

[ignorethis]

If all you're concerned about is the OP's view then I can't answer that. But yes, the only real answers to climate change are either "some" form of socialism or an apocalyptic event that leads to societal collapse.

That doesn't mean that every form of socialism would be an answer to climate change, but yes, some form is necessary.





A. this is a dogma with no rational basis. There's zero evidence that fossil fuels are necessary for modernization. That's like saying that 1900 America really needed to double-down on horses cause that's what everyone else had used. It makes a ton more sense to invest in cutting-edge technology rather than spending a ton of infrastructure funding to invest in already outdated technology that will be unusable within a generation.

B. Africa largely isn't using its fossil fuels to modernize, it's selling off its fossil fuels to other countries, enriching the wealthy and doing jack shyt for anyone else or for the future of the country. Look at Saudi Arabia, look at Iraq, look at Iran, those countries had massive amounts of fossil fuel and what did it ever give them besides a few wealthy tyrants and militaries that kill each other?

C. Beyond all that, the fundamental question isn't "fossil fuel or no fossil fuel". The fundamental question is, "Do we want development for the society or development just for the rich?" Because capitalism, development for the rich, is fundamentally destructive to everything in society except the profits of the rich. We've seen that over and over, why do you think it would change now?





That isn't even remotely true.

An EU-beholden negro that has probably never stepped foot on the continent. Your globalist talking points don't mean anything.

No renewable energy sources is capable replacing fossil fuels now.

I don't know if you know anything about industry in developing nations, the power grids are shytty so they run smaller industrial machinery off fossil fuel generators.

West Africa produces crude but doesn't have the tools to refine it correctly, which leads to retarded shyt like Nigerians paying the same for gasoline as people in a top-tier country like the USA.

And corporate interests already had their reason for suppressing refineries in West Africa, but now it's a double dose of corporations not wanting Africans to refine their own oil and climate change preachers considering development of fossil fuel facilities a sin against the global order.

Give Africans the same economic weapons as everybody else and watch how quickly things change.

Your anti-capitalism has no place in West Africa because West Africa always embraced free trade going back to trans-Saharan trade routes.

Giving a poor man in the village the ability to effectively make bricks with machinery instead of by hand will do more good for Africa than any of your ivory tower, European Socialist, BS ideas.

 

[ignorethis]

Economic growth in Africa will not be achieved by a blanket ban on fossil fuels

Africa Needs Fossil Fuels to End Energy Apartheid

No apologies: Africans say their need for oil cash outweighs climate concerns

 

[Micky Mikey]

The world ain't transitioning no time soon, the entire international trade system is reliant on fossil fuels and one of the biggest carbon contributors, way more than individual carbon emissions.

fukk exporting oil, most African state ran power grids are a joke and holding the country back. They need to start refining oil efficiently, and selling that oil to private business to power industrial equipment, their is no reason for fuel to cost that much in West Africa.

Then they need to say fukk the environment like China did and rapidly develop and industrialize over the course of the next century.

Once industrialization makes sense economically for majority of the population, Africa will naturally develop and evolve like every other developing nation. People gotta stop acting like Africans can't do the same thing the Arabs, Indians, and Asians are doing, it's insulting.

The problem is industrialization makes no sense in Africa right now due to outside influences.

Africa has more than enough land to reliably house it's population, it's the lack of development that makes climate change "something to worry about" because they plan on Africans to still having nomadic herders well into the 22nd century.

I think you're right regarding the fact that fossil fuel will remain the primary energy source for the forseeable future. However, I think your view on the impacts that climate change will have on parts of Africa is a very naive.
When I say climate change will leave parts of Africa uninhabitable I mean that literally. There will be regions where the temperatures will be so high, people will not be able to be outside for more than a few hours before dropping like flies (research wet bulb temperatures). Such dramatic increases in temperatures will lead to food insecurity and water scarcity. Both of which are recipes for civil conflict. This will then precipitate a mass migration the likes of which we've never witnessed in mordern history. This same scenario will be played out over and over in many 3rd world countries in the global south.
African countries stand to gain some from industrializing their resources but any net gain will be short lived. Much of the continent will be hampered by a mutlitude of crises all occurring simulataneously.

Unfortunately I think Africa is too late to the punch when it comes to following the 'China' model. And that isn't to say they shouldn't try.

 

[8.TRES]

If all you're concerned about is the OP's view then I can't answer that. But yes, the only real answers to climate change are either "some" form of socialism or an apocalyptic event that leads to societal collapse.

That doesn't mean that every form of socialism would be an answer to climate change, but yes, some form is necessary.

the issue i keep running into whenever i have this discussion is the same recurring issue in all other aspects of socialism, which is that the correct "solution" requires everybody to make the right decision

the general argument ive heard is that given that most social leftists are pro climate and see the capitalistic industrial complex as the dominant pollutant to the environment, a socialistic government would theoretically slow the reliance on environment-destroying endeavors in the name of profit (fossil fuels, etc)

the problem being that this view assumes that everyone involved in the decision making process feels the same way, much like every other problem with socialism; its such a theoretical concept because it operates in absolutes and only works in relatively developed and wealthy countries in which society universally has the same problems and its not some folk struggling to pay bills in contrast to some folk struggling to choose a colorway on their next phone

capitalism is definitely the worst possible economic system for combatting climate change, but socialism would not only have to be globally instituted which is damn near impossible, it also has all the other problems that come with it including lack of conformity unless forced

 

[OG Talk]

I’m paying for my daughter to get a degree in Atmospheric Science right now, so one day she can be apart of the solutions.

Capitalism has allowed me to pay her tuition with going into debt.

 

[ignorethis]

I think you're right regarding the fact that fossil fuel will remain the primary energy source for the forseeable future. However, I think your view on the impacts that climate change will have on parts of Africa is a very naive.
When I say climate change will leave parts of Africa uninhabitable I mean that literally. There will be regions where the temperatures will be so high, people will not be able to be outside for more than a few hours before dropping like flies (research wet bulb temperatures). Such dramatic increases in temperatures will lead to food insecurity and water scarcity. Both of which are recipes for civil conflict. This will then precipitate a mass migration the likes of which we've never witnessed in mordern history. This same scenario will be played out over and over in many 3rd world countries in the global south.
African countries stand to gain some from industrializing their resources but any net gain will be short lived. Much of the continent will be hampered by a mutlitude of crises all occurring simulataneously.

Unfortunately I think Africa is too late to the punch when it comes to following the 'China' model. And that isn't to say they shouldn't try.

Do you guys understand with the USA rejoining the paris agreement they'll probably just resort to the same carbon colonialism that China and Europe are already doing.

Which basically means Africa is likely gonna be the dumping ground for all pollution life in developed nations produces, while being handicapped as far as being able to emit carbon for their own development?

And as far as mass migrations that's a normal part of human development, people used to live in parts of the Sahara, they don't anymore.

What really matters is Africa having well developed urban centers to house those people.

But no, we have nomadic herders from the Sahara migrating into neighboring agricultural communities and violent ethnic conflicts happening. Because somebody convinced people that Africans just love being poor farmers and don't need the conveniences and developments of the modern world.

Carbon Colonialism: How the Fight Against Climate Change Is Displacing Africans

 

[Be Strong Blackman]

I believe we can and should preserve nature