Coli Philosphers...Explain Human Consciousness. Why are only humans and few others self aware?

[PinotNoir]

I love this subject if it's what I think you're talking about. Your environment shapes your nature, meaning how you grew up etc. But Some people are just different, like they're different from the siblings, relatives, they're on a different plane mentally, but also here, they're enlightened. Very few of them in this world.

 

[DJDONTNOBODYPAYME]

I think this is that Terence Mckenna Theory which Rogan and Trussell Often refer to.

Lucifer

 

[Jean Jacket]

Because "consciousness" at least in the way people colloquially refer to it seems to be dependent on time and spatial awareness (i.e. I am drinking tea in a cafe in Paris, France), and independent from animal instinct. Moreover, since "I am" drinking tea in a cafe -- I would argue that it's a priori that I know exactly what am (e.g. human) and doesn't have to be stated. Thus, in the human experience - for us - concisouness is the aforementioned (i.e. time, place, I am) and most of our methodology in regards to determining what makes a species conscious -- or not is built upon those notions (like an animal being able to recognize itself in a mirror).

Yet, that's a human-centric view of consciousness. Thomas Nagel has a famous paper called, "What's it like to be a bat." Even as a human if I know every scientific factoid about bats and I imagine myself to be a bat, would my humanity allow me to really mimic the mind of a bat? No. I can only do so through a human lense. I am imprisoned by it. I have no idea what it's like to be a bat despite knowing what echolocation is. I can't really tell if bats know they are bats. I can't tell what it's like to experience the world as a bat.

In other words, it might not be that only a few species are conscious. It may actually be that we have a very narrow understandig and myopic ideal of "consciousness." Dogs aren't conscious, supposedly. Dogs have no interest in their reflection for the most part and that kind of thing; but, every dog I've ever had seemed to realize that I was different from them. That I was not whatever they are, and that I had the ability to do things they could not. They would even play to my sensibilities. They immediately recognized others from their own species and vice versa. A dog isn't going to mistake an alligator for another dog, for example. In my observations of them, dogs seem to know that they are "dogs." They may not know they're referred to as dogs like I know I'm referenced as human, but they don't seem to conflate humanity and the canine existence.

Simply put: we don't know enough about consciousness to determine what animals are and aren't conscious.

I'm simplifying/paraphrasing my understanding of your reply..."There is a difference between subjective and objective consciousness (taking to liberty to name it that). The act of deciding what you do with your knowledge is the most intriguing to me... What would a dog do if he was able to know that he was not a "human"...and he was able to classify things like humans do... In the natural world... all animals have a system of classification... especially to determine predators from non-threats... Perhaps since man has no intellectual match, we are indeed alpha predators and have a "gods" eye and consciousness or "ruling" over all animals as described in various religious bodies?

 

[Jean Jacket]

I love this subject if it's what I think you're talking about. Your environment shapes your nature, meaning how you grew up etc. But Some people are just different, like they're different from the siblings, relatives, they're on a different plane mentally, but also here, they're enlightened. Very few of them in this world.

Ahh.. Nature vs. Nurture.. Actually, I think that this is the core of this conversation.

How the hell do we know how to be human?

 

[Jean Jacket]

Lucifer

 

[Jean Jacket]

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[Jean Jacket]

First of all, consciousness is not a light switch, we have to accept its granularity, that some beings are not fully conscious. As far as explanation, our understanding of human like conscious as being 100% is just a byproduct of our massive brains and ability to import knowledge from being before us. If a person is born and never interacts with any humans ever, I believe that which would have been consciousness is wasted, they would not have learned to be self aware.

Deeper still, consciousness links us to the zero point dimensions of space time. Where physical properties have no translation, and we are inherit gods. This is where we go where we sleep and dream, completely unbound by body or any limitation, yet experiencing the full sensations of reality.

Another property is consciousness is that since we aren't bound by space time, we can walk along it, fast forward and have premonitions, rewind and experience past events. This is what high levels of consciousness allow.

In short, why do we have it? Because our brains allow it. Why do we have brains that allow it? Instinct and self breeding of the human race to survive lead is to acquire an advantage over other species and animal. What we do with it is exploit reality to our advantage. Nature made a monster, one capable of identifying nature itself and not being bound by it.

All IMHO

 

[Jean Jacket]

First of all, consciousness is not a light switch, we have to accept its granularity, that some beings are not fully conscious. As far as explanation, our understanding of human like conscious as being 100% is just a byproduct of our massive brains and ability to import knowledge from being before us. If a person is born and never interacts with any humans ever, I believe that which would have been consciousness is wasted, they would not have learned to be self aware.

Deeper still, consciousness links us to the zero point dimensions of space time. Where physical properties have no translation, and we are inherit gods. This is where we go where we sleep and dream, completely unbound by body or any limitation, yet experiencing the full sensations of reality.

Another property is consciousness is that since we aren't bound by space time, we can walk along it, fast forward and have premonitions, rewind and experience past events. This is what high levels of consciousness allow.

In short, why do we have it? Because our brains allow it. Why do we have brains that allow it? Instinct and self breeding of the human race to survive lead is to acquire an advantage over other species and animal. What we do with it is exploit reality to our advantage. Nature made a monster, one capable of identifying nature itself and not being bound by it.

All IMHO

So... If I may be forward enough to assume that the implication of space-time (in your opinion) is the crux of our experience and existence. I often wonder if free thought is indeed my own, and if my brain is "allowing it" as you put it, or is someone or something out there pulling the strings, creating a monster as you say.

I agree that the human brain is a marvel upon itself... how many A.I. or computers are self aware...

There's levels to this shyt.

 

[Kalik]

Aside from religious conjecture... (if possible)

What makes a Coli wolf, not an actual eat your back-meat wolf?

How much of your nature is pre-programmed genetically, or has already been plotted in a quantum mechanical/butterfly effect formula?

Admittedly, this inquisition is prompted by half a shot of Henny White...

But the question still stands.

Explain... Body Mind/Soul.

Feel free.









ref:

The only 10 animals on planet Earth that are self aware are:

1. Humans
2. Orangutans
3. Chimpanzees
4. Gorillas
5. Bottlenose Dolphins
6. Elephants
7. Orcas
8. Bonobos
9. Rhesus Macaques
10. European Magpies

So all Dolphins aren't self aware? Really, because we have a different breed (Spotted Dolphins) in Bahama waters. Bottlenose dolphins attack and rape their women. I thought they were smart also.

 

[Jean Jacket]

So all Dolphins aren't self aware? Really, because we have a different breed (Spotted Dolphins) in Bahama waters. Bottlenose dolphins attack and rape their women. I thought they were smart also.

Dolphins are savages breh...

They rape, murder infants, sexually assault humans, don't sleep for weeks, and murder peeple fi fun...

10 Reasons Why Dolphins Are A$$holes | Deep Sea News

 

[The Oracle]

Rustin Cohle: I'd consider myself a realist, alright? But in philosophical terms I'm what's called a pessimist... I think human consciousness is a tragic misstep in evolution. We became too self-aware. Nature created an aspect of nature separate from itself - we are creatures that should not exist by natural law... We are things that labor under the illusion of having a self, that accretion of sensory experience and feelings, programmed with total assurance that we are each somebody, when in fact everybody's nobody...

 

[Jean Jacket]

Never saw this show... entertaining.


Funny how he mentions mass suicide as a solution for human "suffering"...

Not to be too cliche, but man it seems that my simple bullshyt post on this board is a proverbial elephant that has been in the fridge, thawed out, fried, boiled, george forman'ed and regurgitated into the bedrooms of humankind's mind since we realized we were "naked"...

Thanks for your take.

 

[Jean Jacket]

ALL of our nature is pre programmed.

Consciousness is not pre programmed but fluid and manifest through our birth and genetics.

Our consciousness is used to either change or control our nature.... and/or fit well with other people's realty and physical lives.
Connecting with others consciousness helps develope your reality.

Changing your nature through conscious. ... helps us go on and dominate our habit by acting out behaviors that makes us work together and mate and build in the best ways.

So... do we have free will... or nah??

 

[Jean Jacket]

Half a shot got you like this tho?

Drunk men tell no tales. It's a legit discussion, so gimme credit.

 

[010101]

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