Colin Cowherd sh*ts all over pro-wrestling :mjcry:

[El Cocodrilo]

Interesting argument, but the reason Conor's a star is cause he made himself into one and he was inspired by the WWF (see: him walking around like Cokeboy before fighting Alvarez)

 

[Da King]

colin was on the money with this

of coarse he is


just look at Wrasslemania had to be saved by HBGOAT, Kang, Rock, Brock, Austin, Shane this year. Zero interest in anyone younger

 

[The Infamous]

McGregor aint gonna last because he's just not that good. He has personality but he already lost to Diaz who was a journeymen fighter. I think Aldo takes out this dude in their rematch and then he'll be runnin shyt again with his boring ass lol. Before McGregor came along people were sayin the same shyt about UFC with the creating stars shyt.

Cowherd is right and wrong. WWE's ratings have dropped like hell but this is still a business that's going to sell out the Air Canada whatever arena in back to back nights this weekend. One show is headlined by Nakamura vs. Samoa Joe. Who the hell knows who these guys are? Nobody but us. It still sold out in record time as they all do, all NXT events end up selling out.

The other show is headlined by old ass Goldberg and Brock Lesnar. No John Cena, No Taker, no Sting, no HHH, no Rock. It's still a sellout.

Royal Rumble will have a huge crowd in the Alamodome.

WrestleMania despite whoever headlines will have 80,000+ fans. How many UFC events can get over 80,000? Has there been one? McGregor and Aldo ain't doin 80k+ unless it's in Ireland.

Nobody knows who Woodley is. Nobody knows who the women's champ is. Ronda will get killed again and go away. Probably go to wrestling ironically.

I'll take comments. Tell me anything I said that was inaccurate in my post.

Based on that first sentence, I can tell you don't really follow MMA. I don't follow wrestling, so I'm not in a position to compare the two.

Most of your post regarding MMA is inaccurate.

 

[SpacelySprockets]

Oldberg was gassed doing a :flabbynfif: jackhammer and spear, shyt is going to be embarrassingly bad this Sunday, that car wreck you can't help but look at

flabhammer

 

[MenacingMonk]

McGregor just broke records in Vince's precious Garden and used Cokeboy's arm flailing walk HHH sat in the crowd like while a 155lb loudmouth run the entire territory and they ain't shyt they can do about it

And Nash said vanilla midgets don't draw.

How's that Roman push going, Vince?

Be stuck in the 70s, brehs.

 

[The Infamous]

if it aint conor or ronda, the ufc aint doing numbers like that. they doing old WWF ppv numbers at best.

Jones is bigger than GGG.

Canelo is a star, but not GGG.

Minus Conor, Jones and Ronda the typical UFC PPV does around 250k-300k buys.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

LMAO at this. Aldo isn't beating Connor. Diaz won't beat Connor at 155. That's ridiculous to even say a two division champ(of two of the best in the UFC btw) isn't good or he's going to suffer some wild fall off at 27.

I think Aldo will but to your other point, Diaz already beat him I don't care what the weight was because Diaz is a journeymen fighter. When's the last time a boxer on the level of Mayweather was beaten soundly by a journeymen fighter? It doesn't happen. I don't want to hear about "anything can happen in UFC".. Silva didn't lose in his prime, then he got old. Jon Jones doesn't lose either. McGregor hasn't proven to be on that level.

Ronda was a gimmick. I'll respond to that too because you think that's an excellent point but it isn't. Dana didn't want to give women that opportunity. But then he was talked into it only because they were short on stars and she looked like she'd hold the title for a while and build a brand which she did briefly, but she'll get exposed again and then what?

 

[YvrzTrvly]

Jones is bigger than GGG.

Canelo is a star, but not GGG.

Minus Conor, Jones and Ronda the typical UFC PPV does around 250k-300k buys.

Just fyi triple g aint that popular my man

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Based on that first sentence, I can tell you don't really follow MMA. I don't follow wrestling, so I'm not in a position to compare the two.

Most of your post regarding MMA is inaccurate.

bullshyt. I follow it enough to know Diaz is a journeymen and he rocked the shyt out of McGregor. I've been watching Diaz fight (and lose) for years. I guess your defense is going to be some shyt about weight classes, I don't care. He took the fight and he lost to a guy who is nowhere near being an elite fighter.

 

[CBoz]

And business is in the toilet.

To say they don't need a Rock or Austin is absurd. Business has been in a slow decline since the moment Austin and Rock began to phase themselves out.

And no amount of good booking, dropping PG, turning Reigns heel etc will make a damn bit of difference to their business if they don't have a legit stars propping it all up. The attitude era would be nothing without Austin as it's lightning rod. Same thing with Hogan in '85.

You might say, but oh it's a different era..it's all about the brand, not the stars. Yes it is a different era, an era with record low ratings and public interest. The formula clearly doesn't work and this company desperately needs new stars.

Nothing is getting ratings like it used to due to the internet and other things.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Nothing is getting ratings like it used to due to the internet and other things.

That's true but the ratings ARE down significantly. That said, Cowherd and some of the people who agree with him are only using the ratings themselves as the sole guide for how well the business is doing. That's not how to look at it. They are doing fine with all revenue streams as I alluded to earlier. But here's from their corporate site what's going on

• Revenue of $164.2 million was on par with a record third quarter in 2015, which benefited from the WWE series, Tough Enough and Total Divas; 2016 revenue-to-date increased 8% from 2015 to $534.3 million
• Q3 2016 OIBDA of $24.5 million and Operating income of $18.3 million were in line with the Company’s guidance
• WWE Network subscribers increased 24% from the third quarter 2015 to 1.46 million average paid subscribers over the third quarter 2016, consistent with the Company’s guidance
• WWE Network’s Net Promoter Score ranked second among major U.S. OTT services, behind only Netflix, according to research by Parks and Associates (Hulu and MLB.TV ranked 3rd and 4th)
• The Company completed a content distribution deal in Germany (ProSieben) to grow WWE’s international audience
• Through the first nine months of 2016, digital engagement continued to grow with video views up 71% to 11.5 billion and social media engagements up 43% to 873 million from the prior year
• NBCU secured 50 new blue chip advertisers for WWE programming in a two-year period

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Now here's an article stating that last year was UFC's highest year in revenue ever with $600M.
UFC Earned Record $600 Million In Revenue For 2015

WWE even while they are down are generating more revenue than UFC at it's peak.

And that's because they rake on their TV deals RAW/SD and total divas. They make money off advertising on social media and the like. They rake on PPV gates and all live gates. Then there's the WWE Network revenue. Then there's the merchandise.

Y'all can continue to think because ratings have slipped that WWE ain't making money

Also, I heard on the radio that just this last month ESPN has LOST 600,000 subscribers. TV ratings are going to continue to decline for everyone.

 

[The Infamous]

Now here's an article stating that last year was UFC's highest year in revenue ever with $600M.
UFC Earned Record $600 Million In Revenue For 2015

WWE even while they are down are generating more revenue than UFC at it's peak.

And that's because they rake on their TV deals RAW/SD and total divas. They make money off advertising on social media and the like. They rake on PPV gates and all live gates. Then there's the WWE Network revenue. Then there's the merchandise.

Y'all can continue to think because ratings have slipped that WWE ain't making money

Also, I heard on the radio that just this last month ESPN has LOST 600,000 subscribers. TV ratings are going to continue to decline for everyone.

'In 2014, UFC grossed $449,008,000 and posted a $73,957,000 profit. That was the year everything went wrong with injuries and such. In 2015, the year Ronda Rousey and Conor McGregor got hot, they grossed $608,629,000 and posted a $157,806,000 profit. As compared with WWE, they grossed slightly less but posted more than six times the profit. '

In comparison the WWE profited $30 million in 2015 versus the UFC's $157 million.

'Meltzer tweeted that Vince McMahon’s company profited $30 million, which would make the UFC 5-6 times more profitable for the year.'

2014 was a terrible year for MMA. Injuries, fighters pulling out, etc. The UFC still managed to profit $74 million which was 2.5 times what the WWE profited in 2015.

Also, the UFC will easily surpass those numbers this year.

Sources: Report: UFC Profited $157 Million In 2015, Over Double Its 2014 Total And 5-6 Times More Than WWE

Meltzer's newsletter.

 

[The G.O.D II]

I think Aldo will but to your other point, Diaz already beat him I don't care what the weight was because Diaz is a journeymen fighter. When's the last time a boxer on the level of Mayweather was beaten soundly by a journeymen fighter? It doesn't happen. I don't want to hear about "anything can happen in UFC".. Silva didn't lose in his prime, then he got old. Jon Jones doesn't lose either. McGregor hasn't proven to be on that level.

Ronda was a gimmick. I'll respond to that too because you think that's an excellent point but it isn't. Dana didn't want to give women that opportunity. But then he was talked into it only because they were short on stars and she looked like she'd hold the title for a while and build a brand which she did briefly, but she'll get exposed again and then what?

Aldo is too small. No FW can handle that power. Yes he lost to Diaz. He would beat him 9/10 times. Doesn't matter who beats who. Point is he's a star. Ronda is a star. They go away and UFC will find someone eventually to market and promote. WWE hasn't shown that ability. UFC is more valuable as a company the WWE

 

[The G.O.D II]

I mean you say Ronda was pushed after Dana reluctance. Sure true. But once he saw her potential he gave her platform to launch. Vince would never do that. And if he did he would find some way to sabotage her in the long run just to prove he was right all along. I can only imagine what Vince would do with someone like Connor. Probably have him teaming with Hornswoggle on main event if Vince decided he was tall enough for the main roster