Colin Kaepernick to the Jets?

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Morton ain't pulling no strings. If the brotha Kap gets signed it is Woody Johnson call period.
 

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Woody Johnson isn't in charge of the day to day operations with the Jets anymore, so there's no reason to bring him up
 

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Guy talks about accuracy and anticipation and then talks about bringing in Glennon :mjlol: and Geno.

Geno lifetime comp% 57.9 72.4 Rating
Glennon lifetime comp % 59.2 84.6 Rating

Kaep 59.8 comp% 89 QB Rating

Kaep should play somewhere but he won't get a shot. Woulda had a better shot if he knelt for immigrants.

We can't compare the "lifetime" percentages of Geno against Kaepernick because the latter has had better weapons most all of his career. Better weapons mean better routes, which result in easier and a greater number of completions. Furthermore, Glennon had one of the highest Air Yards Per Attempt in the league during his years' starting, so he is bound to have a lower completion % as a function of attempting more difficult throws more regularly. Now, the best way to compare Kaepernick and someone like Geno Smith is to take the year or years' wherein Kaepernick and Geno are in similar weapons' environment.

And indeed we have such a year: Kaepernick's 2016 season. Indeed, last year Kaepernick's best receiver was Kerley, who was also Geno's best receiver in 2014. Last year then Kaepernick threw for 59.2% completion rate, a tick lower than Geno's 59% rate in 2014. This might seem insigficant but look deeper: Chip Kelly coached Kaepernick's play. The Niners' QB thus should have seen a much better accuracy improvement than what he produced in 2016. The fact his completion % only climbed to a paltry 59%--against a younger Geno in a similar environment and a worse offensive system--is evidence enough Kaepernick isn't more accurate. This goes without mentioning Geno's age and progression whereby he has gotten more accurate. Kaepernick's accuracy is Josh McCown-esque. If he ever starts in the league again it won't be because of his accuracy or anticipation.

Glennon meanwhile can start because, despite your lamentations oherwise, his early completion % at 57.9 doesn't tell the full story. Glennon can shoot his ball out of a cannon and is more easily than Kaepernick at doing so.
 

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We can't compare the "lifetime" percentages of Geno against Kaepernick because the latter has had better weapons most all of his career. Better weapons mean better routes, which result in easier and a greater number of completions. Furthermore, Glennon had one of the highest Air Yards Per Attempt in the league during his years' starting, so he is bound to have a lower completion % as a function of attempting more difficult throws more regularly. Now, the best way to compare Kaepernick and someone like Geno Smith is to take the year or years' wherein Kaepernick and Geno are in similar weapons' environment.

And indeed we have such a year: Kaepernick's 2016 season. Indeed, last year Kaepernick's best receiver was Kerley, who was also Geno's best receiver in 2014. Last year then Kaepernick threw for 59.2% completion rate, a tick lower than Geno's 59% rate in 2014. This might seem insigficant but look deeper: Chip Kelly coached Kaepernick's play. The Niners' QB thus should have seen a much better accuracy improvement than what he produced in 2016. The fact his completion % only climbed to a paltry 59%--against a younger Geno in a similar environment and a worse offensive system--is evidence enough Kaepernick isn't more accurate. This goes without mentioning Geno's age and progression whereby he has gotten more accurate. Kaepernick's accuracy is Josh McCown-esque. If he ever starts in the league again it won't be because of his accuracy or anticipation.

Glennon meanwhile can start because, despite your lamentations oherwise, his early completion % at 57.9 doesn't tell the full story. Glennon can shoot his ball out of a cannon and is more easily than Kaepernick at doing so.

:gucci: Kap hasn't had much in the weapons department for the last 2-3 years. He still has yet to have a #1 receiver in his career. As far as using lifetime numbers, I'm not the one who called Kap inaccurate and then brought up two guys who are less accurate.

If you gonna slag Kap, you need to bring something better than Geno and Glennon.

"stats don't tell the whole story but I'm going to talk out my ass and disregard QB coming off of injury, 9er receivers being at the top of the drops list and Kap playing behind poor lines the last few years." :hhh:
 

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:gucci: Kap hasn't had much in the weapons department for the last 2-3 years. He still has yet to have a #1 receiver in his career.

Kaepernich's receiving repertoire has variously included receivers like Boldin, Crabtree and Vernon Davis. This trio alone surpasses anything Geno Smith has ever played with by leaps and bounds. Even just Boldin and Crabtree are good enough weapons on the outside to compete.


As far as using lifetime numbers, I'm not the one who called Kap inaccurate and then brought up two guys who are less accurate.

If you gonna slag Kap, you need to bring something better than Geno and Glennon.

"stats don't tell the whole story but I'm going to talk out my ass and disregard QB coming off of injury, 9er receivers being at the top of the drops list and Kap playing behind poor lines the last few years." :hhh:

I explained my reasoning and elaborated on my position. Kaepernick only threw for 59% in a Chip Kelly offense with Jeremy Kerley as his best receiver. That's the same 59% completion Geno Smith produced in 2014 with Kerley and no Chip Kelly.

Keep in mind, Geno is more accurate now than he was in 2014.

Accuracy itself isn't completion % anyway; it is ball placement. I saw Kaepernick play against my team, the Jets, in 2016. His accuracy, timing and anticipation are atrocious. He couldn't complete any passes in the 2nd half of the game when we adjusted for Kelly's scheming. He missed clear windows and opportunities a more accurate QB might have hit. When our defense wrenched away Kelly scheme effectiveness and shifted weight onto Kaepernick to throw his receivers open, he flailed like a fish. Alex Smith was more a threat at QB than Kaepernick. Once he gets into rhythm underneath, Alex is a surgeon. Kaepernick meanwhile will always be only a butcher.

49ers offense crash-lands in Jets debacle

In the above article Kaepernick gets tunnel vision against the blitz, runs into sacks and loses all accuracy/anticipation under perssure. All of the issues he had against the Jets are manageable: go through progressions; throw the ball away and anticipate receivers.
 
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