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Kanye West > Chuckle D
Kanye gets disrespected everyday, b

:patrice:Yeah. No.


I can't think of a single rapper that has sent shots at Chuck D. I imagine it's out of respect for his impact on the culture and on music in general.

Yet it's cool for someone who is a (self) appointed tastemaker and gatekeeper to do it?

As a UK head, the convo that led to Rosenberg disrespecting Chuck reminded me of the KRS/Westwood conversation. In that instance Westwood didn't try to dismiss KRS' views as being completely unfounded - he defended himself but spoke respectfully to KRS. But Rosenberg decided to come out of the side of his face and that's acceptable?
 

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I'm still mad at Cipha Sounds from
Stopping his goons from stomping out Rosenberg. I think if he got that ass whipping he'd be a lot more delicate and careful with his delivery.

I think we got these clowns talking reckless because nobody holds them accountable. nikkas talk crazy and then everybody want to give them a pass because they soft. fukk that. Talk like you tough you should deal with the consequences. If you ain't willing to spit up blood behind your word then don't speak them
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To me Rosenberg is a product of Hot 97's desperation. His behavior is similar to everyone else at that flopping station. Consider Ebro's playbook for the last few years:

1. shyt talk someone or something
2. Cause a social media argument that garners attention
3. Invite the person you dissed or dismissed onto the radio show
4. Get lots of youtube views/ad revenue

Remember when he dissed battle rap and caused people to catch feelings? What happened next: battle rap dudes showed up on the show, then all of a sudden Ebro is at a major battle rap event. It's shytty promotion based on fake controversy. They did the same thing with Azaela Banks, who then went onto the show and gave them a very popular interview.

So when I heard Rosenberg diss Chuck D my immediate thought was that it made sense from their perspective: that's their playbook. Nevermind that Chuck D is a legend, nevermind that he's a serious guy who isn't going to go onto a radio show to get clowned/disrespected like Buckshot did...they were STILL expecting Chuck D to create the type of response they typically get. Chuck D didn't bite, the community panned Hot 97, and Rosenberg was forced to apologize. But let's be real, it's not like Ebro wasn't in on the entire thing.
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Rosenberg is a hip hop head, I wouldn't take that away from him. But he is also a corny motherfukker. From the TDE nut hugging to being so open to dissing Chuck D...I just get the impression he doesn't give a shyt about his credibility, he just wants short term stuff. Less than 48 hours after TPAB came out he declared it a classic. Yall know I love that album but come the fukk on. He acts like a petulant child.
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No he's not...he doesn't know wtf he be talkin bout over half the time....
 

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He's a fukking Disc Jockey acting like music isnt his main job. I know motherfukkers that live in Chelsea who know more about street culture than most on this board. Its one element but the music is why we're here. For the culture? Cause ppl say mjlol to your face? We have our own culture on here that is an offshoot of the main culture. What's that say about culture?
Did you listen to the interview? Music is just one element of the culture.
 

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First of all why can't he be a hip hop head? The corniness is his personality but if we each took a test on hip hop he'd beat most of us. I hate hot 97s music selection but who listens to the radio? I watch YouTube interviews and he's better at interviews than a lot of his peers. He's well spoken and provkes the interviewee intellectual and sometimes pisses them off, same reason I used to watch Leno and letterman.

In shirt chill out, he's a DJ not all DJs.

after listening to too many Juan Epstein podcasts i don't think Rosenberg knows as much as people think he does. ther'es lots of eps where he doesn't know fukk all about the guest.he knows obscure shyt that people don't really care about like Hard Knocks album or some random underground NY shyt from 1994
 

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There's no way Kanye's stature is even approaching Chuck D's in Hip Hop culture or what he did for Hip Hop.

Also Rosenberg, Hip Hop isn't just about how much shyt you know (not saying how much or little he knows) it's about the essence of a person how Hip Hop they are. Rosenberg says and does a lot of things that aren't Hip Hop like that, he's more an outsider trying to front, not because of his race but because of his character. The other elements of Hip Hop also can't be downplayed, it's a culture which is a collective of many elements, knowing some information about rap music doesn't make you Hip Hop. If you compare his knowledge to someone like DJ Premier, Chuck D or KRS-One his knowledge is severely sorely lacking. So he can't be acting like an authority, I've heard him disrespect actual artists making music like he's a fukking big shot authority within Hip Hop, and disrespecting Chuck D is unfathomable. It was ridiculous and if he didn't apologise I think hands would have been put on him for that.
 
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I wasn't trying to come off strong lol. I see your point, and he Stans which is annoying for interview purposes. Its just I hate when I see ppl write someone off just cause they're white or gay or w/e.
You have a valid opinion not centered on those superficial points so I I gotta respect it.
after listening to too many Juan Epstein podcasts i don't think Rosenberg knows as much as people think he does. ther'es lots of eps where he doesn't know fukk all about the guest.he knows obscure shyt that people don't really care about like Hard Knocks album or some random underground NY shyt from 1994
 

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I'm a huge fan of both Combat and Rosenberg but I think they're being petty by going at each other this way through secondary mediums. They're also showing their true square colors.

Rosenberg was a guest on the cj show after his comments about slapping combat in front of his kids. What kind of man would sit there and interview someone who said some shytt like that? It reminds me of that beef DVD where 50 was talking about the Nas/cam beef. I think Cam said something about Nas' daughter and 50 was like if a rapper says some shytt about my son I ain't making no song I'm gonna go see him.

And as far as Rosenberg goes he was thrust into this position not having a true grasp of the culture and community he's servicing. Loving hip hop music alone shouldn't qualify you for that position. It's only a matter of time before he gets himself in hot water for some stupid shytt he says.
 

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There's no way Kanye's stature is even approaching Chuck D's in Hip Hop culture or what he did for Hip Hop.

Also Rosenberg, Hip Hop isn't just about how much shyt you know (not saying how much or little he knows) it's about the essence of a person how Hip Hop they are. Rosenberg says and does a lot of things that aren't Hip Hop like that, he's more an outsider trying to front, not because of his race but because of his character. The other elements of Hip Hop also can't be downplayed, it's a culture which is a collective of many elements, knowing some information about rap music doesn't make you Hip Hop. If you compare his knowledge to someone like DJ Premier, Chuck D or KRS-One his knowledge is severely sorely lacking. So he can't be acting like an authority, I've heard him disrespect actual artists making music like he's a fukking big shot authority within Hip Hop, and disrespecting Chuck D is unfathomable. It was ridiculous and if he didn't apologise I think hands would have been put on him for that.
kanye is one of the most influential artists EVER. Kanye beating 50 in their head to head match up of record sells basically led to "soft" rappers being seen as cool. If there was no kanye, then there would be no cole, drake, or gambino (dont listen to any of them nikkas)

I cant speak on chuck D tho. I was born in 1996, and im not a student of the game. But put me on game what has chuck D done that is more influential than Kanye?
 

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kanye is one of the most influential artists EVER. Kanye beating 50 in their head to head match up of record sells basically led to "soft" rappers being seen as cool. If there was no kanye, then there would be no cole, drake, or gambino (dont listen to any of them nikkas)

I cant speak on chuck D tho. I was born in 1996, and im not a student of the game. But put me on game what has chuck D done that is more influential than Kanye?

I'm talking about positive influence not negative ones.

And we don't have long enough to go through Chuck D/Public Enemy's history, but they along with some others helped shape the climate which made the Malcolm X film happen, which put more and more people on to Malcolm and also spiked a resurgence of people reading the autobiography. They did a lot for consciousness and racial pride in Hip Hop and beyond that, Chuck also himself represented Hip Hop incredibly well, including meetings with people involved in the Civil/Black Rights movement. Many people thought/think It Takes A Nation Of Millions was the greatest Hip Hop album of all time. Artists like Public Enemy/KRS-One changed lives, and for the better. Even soundwise Bomb Squad and them were innovative, even producing Ice Cube's AMW album. Chuck D is a legend and icon on Hip Hop, a true legend and icon. He is a Hip Hop hero to many. Like I said it's impossible to go through his entire history or the groups, but I'll copy some information, but really to get the real you'll have to research yourself...

Carlton Douglas Ridenhour (born August 1, 1960), better known by his stage name Chuck D, is an American rapper, author,[1] and producer. He helped create politically and socially conscious rap music in the mid-1980s as the leader of the rap group Public Enemy. About.com ranked him #9 on their list of the Top 50 MCs of Our Time,[2] while The Source ranked him #12 on their list of the Top 50 Hip-Hop Lyricists of All Time.[3]

Chuck D is known for his powerful rapping voice - How to Rap says, “Chuck D of Public Enemy has a powerful, resonant voice that is often acclaimed as one of the most distinct and impressive in hip-hop”.[9] Chuck D says this was based on listening to Melle Mel and sportscasters such as Marv Albert.[9]

Public Enemy is an American hip hop group consisting of Chuck D, Flavor Flav, DJ Lord, The S1W group, Khari Wynn and Professor Griff. Formed in Long Island, New York in 1982, they are known for their politically charged lyrics and criticism of the American media, with an active interest in the frustrations and concerns of the African American community. Their first four albums during the late 1980s and early 1990s were all certified either gold or platinum and were, according to music critic Robert Hilburn in 1998, "the most acclaimed body of work ever by a rap act."[1] In 2004, Rolling Stone magazine ranked Public Enemy[2] number 44 on its list of the Immortals: 100 Greatest Artists of All Time.[3] The group was inducted into the Long Island Music Hall of Fame in 2007.[4] The band were announced as inductees for the 2013 class of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame on December 11, 2012, making them the fourth hip-hop act to be inducted

This could go on for days, I might post more later.
 
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Their debut album, Yo! Bum Rush the Show, was released in 1987 to critical acclaim. The album was the group's first step toward stardom. In October 1987, music critic Simon Reynolds dubbed Public Enemy "a superlative rock band".[7] They released their second album It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back in 1988, which performed better in the charts than their previous release, and included the hit single "Don't Believe the Hype" in addition to "Bring the Noise". Nation of Millions... was the first hip hop album to be voted album of the year in The Village Voice 's influential Pazz & Jop critics' poll.[8]

In 1989, the group returned to the studio to record Fear of a Black Planet, which continued their politically charged themes. The album was supposed to be released in late 1989,[9] but was pushed back to April 1990. It was the most successful of any of their albums and, in 2005, was selected for preservation in the Library of Congress. It included the singles "Welcome To The Terrordome", "911 Is a Joke", which criticized emergency response units for taking longer to arrive at emergencies in the black community than those in the white community, and "Fight the Power".[10] "Fight the Power" is regarded as one of the most popular and influential songs in hip hop history. It was the theme song of Spike Lee's Do the Right Thing.

The group's next release, Apocalypse '91...The Enemy Strikes Black, continued this trend, with songs like "Can't Truss It", which addressed the history of slavery and how the black community can fight back against oppression; "I Don't Wanna be Called Yo nikka", a track that takes issue with the use of the word nikka outside of its original derogatory context. The album also included the controversial song and video "By the Time I Get to Arizona", which chronicled the black community's frustration that some US states did not recognize Martin Luther King Jr.'s birthday as a national holiday. The video featured members of Public Enemy taking out their frustrations on politicians in the states not recognizing the holiday. In 1992, the group was one of the first rap acts to perform at the Reading Festival, in England, headlining the second day of the three day festival
 

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kanye is one of the most influential artists EVER. Kanye beating 50 in their head to head match up of record sells basically led to "soft" rappers being seen as cool. If there was no kanye, then there would be no cole, drake, or gambino (dont listen to any of them nikkas)

I cant speak on chuck D tho. I was born in 1996, and im not a student of the game. But put me on game what has chuck D done that is more influential than Kanye?

Chuck, as the voice of Public Enemy, spoke honestly and emphatically about the plights facing the Black Community in the post Reagan/Bush era, and in a world where Apartheid still existed in South Africa. He offered an unflinching account of the Black experience in America, and in some ways songs like Fight The Power were the continuation of the Black Power movements that came before it. I grew up in the UK, but listening to their music and watching movies by guys like Spike gave me a way more complete understanding of Black life in America than the news ever could or would want me to have.

He has been an influence to so many rappers, I don't know if I could actually list them all.

Do yourself a favour, breh. Check out 'It Takes A Nation Of Millions' (Been acknowledged a bunch as one of the best hip-hop albums ever recorded) and my personal favourite 'Fear Of A Black Planet'. You'd be surprised how little the world has changed since they were released two plus decades ago.

 
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