Come Tell Me Why I'm Wrong: Lebron is the 2nd Greatest Perimeter Player of All Time

[Brozay]

"Bron has a long way to go" proves you're talking about legacy. Who's the better player? Who has the higher apex? It's really not even a debate but most people are in denial.

how can i say hes a better player when i watched him freeze up for an entire finals series?

look, he isnt a better player regardless and isnt as dominant.

 

[McPiff]

people are stiull hanging on to the 2011 finals to discredit lebron..like he's the only superstar that had bad games..

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Thanks for playing Indiana. Maybe the Spurs can get it done.

 

[Draje]

Lebron is better at every aspect of basketball than Kobe except shooting and post-game.

Lebron is a better scorer, passer, defender, playmaker, and rebounder.

Kobe is a better shooter but Lebron is a better slasher/finisher so it evens out. Lebron scores just as many points while taking less shots, is a better passer, and the most versatile defender in the league. People bring up Kobe's championships as if they mean it makes him better than Bron.

Lebron and a Prime Shaq would literally break the league due to the dominance. Kobe got 3 rings as Shaq's sidekick which is why he only has two FMVPS. When both Kobe and Lebron had crap teams, Lebron was leading his team to 66 win seasons, winning multiple MVPs, and dragging his team into the Finals while being the best scorer, passer, rebounder, and defensive player.

Kobe was dropping 3-1 leads, getting knocked out of the playoffs, or even MISSING the playoffs at one point.

Lebron has hit just as many playoff game winners as Kobe despite taking almost 10 less, has dropped more clutch perfomances in the playoff (game 6 Boston and 25+ straight points against Detroit) in the playoffs, and the like.

So Lebron scores comparable points on much higher efficiency, more rebound and assists, is a perrenial DPOTY candidate despite being a perimeter player, and yet Kobe is better because of random intangibles? When both were the some offensive option on crap teams (Lebron-CLE / Kobe - LAK:Post Shaq and Pre-Gasol), Lebron performed better so what's the actual argument?

Kobe had an 81 point game in the regular season? So is Brandon (55 Point) Jennings da best PG in the league because had a massive scoring explosion or do we look at EVERYTHING?

Lebron's best statistical season had him scoring a whopping 2 points less on higher efficiency, averaging almost 2 more rebounds, more blocks, and more assists than Kobe's best statistical season.

People just like Kobe's game better because it's more pleasing to the eye.

 

[street heat]

If yall were starting a team, would u really want to start it with kobe over lebron? Not only is he better, he's a higher impact player. Lebron is also easier to build around. U think the lakers would have barely made the playoffs this year with bron instead of kobe? The lakers would probably still be playing....

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

how can i say hes a better player when i watched him freeze up for an entire finals series?

look, he isnt a better player regardless and isnt as dominant.

If he froze up then obviously that wasn't him at the top of his game.

LeBron can do everything Jordan can do plus he's bigger which makes him a better rebounder and more versatile on defense and in the post. Plus he's a better passer. It's really that simple and there's nothing you can say to refute that and still make sense at the same time.

 

[Brozay]

If he froze up then obviously that wasn't him at the top of his game.

LeBron can do everything Jordan can do plus he's bigger which makes him a better rebounder and more versatile on defense and in the post. Plus he's a better passer. It's really that simple and there's nothing you can say to refute that and still make sense at the same time.

OK, lets just ignore that the supposed GOAT completely wilted away for a finals series during his prime.

That makes alot of sense.

Larry Bird was a better passer and rebounder than Jordan too. Better shooter too. What the fukk does that do for him?

You're living in a NBA2k world, Im living in reality where I actually watch games and make judgments on that.

 

[Luke Cage]

How's he not better than Jordan?

Keep in mind this is coming from a heat fan.

Since we all know MJ is the greater scorer. I'll educated you on why he is a much better defender. First of all look at their stats. at this point in their careers Somehow MJ averaged nearly twice as many blocks per game than Lebron even though Lebron is the size of a Power Forward. He also averaged nearly twice as many steals. He was a much more aggressive defender who was willing to commit hard fouls in order to lock down his defender. Lebron has a reputation for going entire games without commiting a foul which isn't a good thing. Strategic fouls are a part of good basketball. sometime its better to make your opponent shoot free throws then give up an easy basket. That's something mj understood and LeBron hasn't figured out yet. Also at this point in their careers MJ was just as good a rebounder as LeBron if not better considering the size difference. MJ had a season where he averaged 32 8 & 8. he was 25. Lebron has never had a season like that yet. and he's 29.

 

[Goat poster]

Jordan is the only perimeter player I'm taking over bron in NBA history.

I'm not ready to say bron is better than the goat (jordan) yet though.

 

[Draje]

Keep in mind this is coming from a heat fan.

Since we all know MJ is the greater scorer. I'll educated you on why he is a much better defender. First of all look at their stats. at this point in their careers Somehow MJ averaged nearly twice as many blocks per game than Lebron even though Lebron is the size of a Power Forward. He also averaged nearly twice as many steals. He was a much more aggressive defender who was willing to commit hard fouls in order to lock down his defender. Lebron has a reputation for going entire games without commiting a foul which isn't a good thing. Strategic fouls are a part of good basketball. sometime its better to make your opponent shoot free throws then give up an easy basket. That's something mj understood and LeBron hasn't figured out yet. Also at this point in their careers MJ was just as good a rebounder as LeBron if not better considering the size difference. MJ had a season where he averaged 32 8 & 8. he was 25. Lebron has never had a season like that yet. and he's 29.

MJ played in an era with hand checking and a lot more physicality. He was allowed to pester and bother players that Bron isn't allowed to do simply because the game is different now. It's why perimeter players don't tend to win DPOTY ever since they got rid of the hand-checking era.

The mere fact that Bron is a perrenial DPOTY candidate speaks loads about his ability as a defender. Put Lebron in Jordan's era and he's gonna be destroying dudes on defense. 265 Lebron allowed to hand check perimeter players?

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

OK, lets just ignore that the supposed GOAT completely wilted away for a finals series during his prime.

That makes alot of sense.

Larry Bird was a better passer and rebounder than Jordan too. Better shooter too. What the fukk does that do for him?

You're living in a NBA2k world, Im living in reality where I actually watch games and make judgments on that.

You literally said nothing to prove your case, homie. So LeBron wilted at a point in his life when Jordan couldn't even get to the Finals. So that makes Jordan better? Losing in an earlier round makes you better?

Bottom line is LeBron has taken his game to heights Jordan simply can't because he's not big enough. LeBron is the best perimeter defender in the league. So was Mike (over Pip ) in his time. But Jordan wasn't about to bang down low under any circumstance. It's really that simple.

Again, you're talking about legacy. And even in talking about legacy Bron has still had a much more impressive basketball life up to this point. He was playing in the Finals at the same age Jordan was just a rookie. He won a chip at a younger age than Jordan. All your points for Jordan came at an age LeBron hasn't even reached yet.

Draw a timeline and compare the 2 and it's not even close. At 15 Bron was on the cover of SI while Jordan was playing JV. At 18 Bron was shytting on nikkas in the league while Jordan was in college. At 22 Bron was in the Finals while Jordan was just a rookie. At 27 Bron had a chip while Jordan had never even been to the Finals.

Take a minute to think about what you're saying. Cliches only work on idiots. It's pretty obvious Bron is the better player.

 

[Carlos Huerta]

Keep in mind this is coming from a heat fan.

Since we all know MJ is the greater scorer. I'll educated you on why he is a much better defender. First of all look at their stats. at this point in their careers Somehow MJ averaged nearly twice as many blocks per game than Lebron even though Lebron is the size of a Power Forward. He also averaged nearly twice as many steals. He was a much more aggressive defender who was willing to commit hard fouls in order to lock down his defender. Lebron has a reputation for going entire games without commiting a foul which isn't a good thing. Strategic fouls are a part of good basketball. sometime its better to make your opponent shoot free throws then give up an easy basket. That's something mj understood and LeBron hasn't figured out yet. Also at this point in their careers MJ was just as good a rebounder as LeBron if not better considering the size difference. MJ had a season where he averaged 32 8 & 8. he was 25. Lebron has never had a season like that yet. and he's 29.

 

[Carlos Huerta]

You literally said nothing to prove your case, homie. So LeBron wilted at a point in his life when Jordan couldn't even get to the Finals. So that makes Jordan better? Losing in an earlier round makes you better?

Bottom line is LeBron has taken his game to heights Jordan simply can't because he's not big enough. LeBron is the best perimeter defender in the league. So was Mike (over Pip ) in his time. But Jordan wasn't about to bang down low under any circumstance. It's really that simple.

Again, you're talking about legacy. And even in talking about legacy Bron has still had a much more impressive basketball life up to this point. He was playing in the Finals at the same age Jordan was just a rookie. He won a chip at a younger age than Jordan. All your points for Jordan came at an age LeBron hasn't even reached yet.

Draw a timeline and compare the 2 and it's not even close. At 15 Bron was on the cover of SI while Jordan was playing JV. At 18 Bron was shytting on nikkas in the league while Jordan was in college. At 22 Bron was in the Finals while Jordan was just a rookie. At 27 Bron had a chip while Jordan had never even been to the Finals.

Take a minute to think about what you're saying. Cliches only work on idiots. It's pretty obvious Bron is the better player.

You're holding it against Jordan that he was at UNC winning a championship?

You do realize that players going straight to pros was extremely uncommon, right? You're gonna continue to frame the argument on the age timeline instead of looking at their NBA careers. Very convenient.

 

[Carlos Huerta]

MJ played in an era with hand checking and a lot more physicality. He was allowed to pester and bother players that Bron isn't allowed to do simply because the game is different now. It's why perimeter players don't tend to win DPOTY ever since they got rid of the hand-checking era.

The mere fact that Bron is a perrenial DPOTY candidate speaks loads about his ability as a defender. Put Lebron in Jordan's era and he's gonna be destroying dudes on defense. 265 Lebron allowed to hand check perimeter players?

265 and he falls on the ground whenever he gets bumped now. What are you basing this on?

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

You're holding it against Jordan that he was at UNC winning a championship?

You do realize that players going straight to pros was extremely uncommon, right? You're gonna continue to frame the argument on the age timeline instead of looking at their NBA careers. Very convenient.

Age is more relevant. LeBron isn't going to retire at age 30 because he "played 12 years". That's why all that "Kobe balling in his 17th year" nonsense was misleading. He's in his 17th season but he's only 34. Some guys are (or should I say would be) 39 in their 17th year.

Picture you have twin boys, one named Mike and one named LeBron. If you were describing your 2 sons as they aged simultaneously who would you be more proud of at what stages? It's LeBron every year up to 28, playboy. Mike would be "the disappointment" if you will.