Convince me CACinem isn't hot garbage with one song

[JayBaldacci]

I'm glad you set it off so I can show you how Em is different than and realer than these artists.

Biggie claimed to live in some one room shack as a means of appropriation when his mom revealed it wasn't true. He acted like he was some kind of classy Don because he put on some suits when Lil Kim said he didn't even want to but Puff convinced him to as a type of marketing. Biggie was stupid enough to make a song about killing himself but Em was smart enough to clarify that he never would.

X will never talk about his crack addiction as liberally or as directly as Em has done multiple full songs about. When Ja was threatening X, X was copping pleas talking about how he wanted to keep it on wax. Em vested up and prepared for the worst when he had beef with the same man a year or 2 later.

On Illmatic Nas was comparing himself to Scarface holding M16s. Nas is a socially awkward introvert that reads recreationally who makes songs talking about being the flyest gangster. Em said never once did he claim to be a gangster and never once did he hear a complaint. Nas will call Def Jam an evil empire and then sign to them.

Eminem became a fake psycho to sell records. The nas defjam/dmx ja beef shyt is irrelevant to the convo. Plus when did eminem vest up and when did dmx cop pleas to ja?

 

[True Sinister]

Eminem became a fake psycho to sell records. The nas defjam/dmx ja beef shyt is irrelevant to the convo. Plus when did eminem vest up and when did dmx cop pleas to ja?

1. You are talking about what is essentially horror core. It is so over the top that it is not meant to be taken literally. Someone like Nas will talk in actual interviews like he does in his music without ever drawing a line.

2. Listen to Jay talk about when he hugged Em (maybe it was 106 and park). Em also vested up when Suge's stalker ass showed up to the in da club shoot

3. Nas signing to Def Jam shows he's a sellout subject to change whose words can't be taken seriously

4. DMX on hot 97 after he started dissing Ja right before Ja gave his infamous "y'all wanna see 2pac come back" angry rant

You would have just had to been following hip hop 16 years ago

 

[JayBaldacci]

1. You are talking about what is essentially horror core. It is so over the top that it is not meant to be taken literally. Someone like Nas will talk in actual interviews like he does in his music without ever drawing a line.

2. Listen to Jay talk about when he hugged Em (maybe it was 106 and park). Em also vested up when Suge's stalker ass showed up to the in da club shoot

3. Nas signing to Def Jam shows he's a sellout subject to change whose words can't be taken seriously

4. DMX on hot 97 after he started dissing Ja right before Ja gave his infamous "y'all wanna see 2pac come back" angry rant

You would have just had to been following hip hop 16 years ago

Yeah but he was talking about eminem faux-emo shyt.. as in the records he makes. So all that you posted is irrelevant again.

And I never cared about the dmx/ja beef.

 

[SirBiatch]

I'm glad you set it off so I can show you how Em is different than and realer than these artists.

Biggie claimed to live in some one room shack as a means of appropriation when his mom revealed it wasn't true. He acted like he was some kind of classy Don because he put on some suits when Lil Kim said he didn't even want to but Puff convinced him to as a type of marketing. Biggie was stupid enough to make a song about killing himself but Em was smart enough to clarify that he never would.

X will never talk about his crack addiction as liberally or as directly as Em has done multiple full songs about. When Ja was threatening X, X was copping pleas talking about how he wanted to keep it on wax. Em vested up and prepared for the worst when he had beef with the same man a year or 2 later.

On Illmatic Nas was comparing himself to Scarface holding M16s. Nas is a socially awkward introvert that reads recreationally who makes songs talking about being the flyest gangster. Em said never once did he claim to be a gangster and never once did he hear a complaint. Nas will call Def Jam an evil empire and then sign to them.

Take similes literally, brehs

The rest of your post is There's artistically real and there's literal real. I have no interest in literal real. That's for suckas. Caring whether Prodigy actually bust his gun before you can accept the music is for groupies. Artistically real - caring about whether Prodigy has the talent and insight to beautifully capture a situation - is far more interesting.

 

[True Sinister]

Yeah but he was talking about eminem faux-emo shyt.. as in the records he makes. So all that you posted is irrelevant again.

And I never cared about the dmx/ja beef.

As long as Em isn't crying on stage, on records and in interviews he has a long way to go at being anywhere near the most emo.

Em is sincere imo

 

[SunZoo]

I've always hated hearing that "Eminem keeps it more real than teh Blacks" perspective that cacs and a couple c00ns give. Most rappers are afraid of showing truth and vulnerability? Word?

I don't agree with the notion that Em is the only rapper who has been vulnerable in his music but I think that Boyce Watkins made the argument that part of why Em is dope is because he's ALLOWED to be more vulnerable due to being white where as a lot of other rappers especially in the era he broke out weren't jumping at the chance to make fun of themselves. Being vulnerable doesn't stop at making songs about the struggle, self depreciation specifically addresses ones insecurities. Black men in this country, especially when it comes to the images that are peddled through rap music don't have a lot of space to be goofy/silly, not in the mainstream.

In an era that was kind of being used as a recovery period from shiny suit rap, it was a breath of fresh air for people like Em and DMX to come in around the same time be both shocking and vulnerable, there's levels to the shyt though.


If you listen to this song like it's just him rapping some cartoon shyt you're going to miss the the catharsis...and it's not some faux-emo, white people problems shyt...it's him using comedy to cope with childhood trauma like a lot of people do. So when people talk about his vulnerability it's not just him being able to make sad or depressing songs, it's his ability to be goofy/silly in ways that black rappers in the mainstream can't because it doesn't really jive prison promo ring they been running for however long. The problem is giving him extra credit for it while penalizing other rappers when you could just give him his props (or not) for doing HIS thing.


Rap, for the MC can..and probably should be a therapeutic process. I wish LL had come out in an era where it was OK to use your rap in such a fashion.

 

[True Sinister]

I don't agree with the notion that Em is the only rapper who has been vulnerable in his music but I think that Boyce Watkins made the argument that part of why Em is dope is because he's ALLOWED to be more vulnerable due to being white where as a lot of other rappers especially in the era he broke out weren't jumping at the chance to make fun of themselves. Being vulnerable doesn't stop at making songs about the struggle, self depreciation specifically addresses ones insecurities. Black men in this country, especially when it comes to the images that are peddled through rap music don't have a lot of space to be goofy/silly, not in the mainstream.

In an era that was kind of being used as a recovery period from shiny suit rap, it was a breath of fresh air for people like Em and DMX to come in around the same time be both shocking and vulnerable, there's levels to the shyt though.


If you listen to this song like it's just him rapping some cartoon shyt you're going to miss the the catharsis...and it's not some faux-emo, white people problems shyt...it's him using comedy to cope with childhood trauma like a lot of people do. So when people talk about his vulnerability it's not just him being able to make sad or depressing songs, it's his ability to be goofy/silly in ways that black rappers in the mainstream can't because it doesn't really jive prison promo ring they been running for however long. The problem is giving him extra credit for it while penalizing other rappers when you could just give him his props (or not) for doing HIS thing.


Rap, for the MC can..and probably should be a therapeutic process. I wish LL had come out in an era where it was OK to use your rap in such a fashion.

Em is not the only one.

Drake, Em, and Pac are among the best examples though imo

X was a huge star when Em was a nobody. For some reason during the 90s a year or 2 was like a lifetime.