Coronavirus Thread: Worldwide Pandemic

[Dave24]

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Nearly 40% of hospitalized US coronavirus patients are 20-54.


Younger Adults Make Up Big Portion of Coronavirus Hospitalizations in U.S.

 

[eXodus]

NPR Choice page

Secret recording of Senator Burr talking about Coronavirus before it got bad

that nikka is perhaps a piece of shyt for selling off the stocks but a lot of what he was saying was being published and projected by epidemiologist in scientific journals back in early/mid Feb.

a lot of that data I spent entire evenings arguing and spitballing with folks like


@TENET @Arbitrage!
@darce_knight
@Theo Penn
@Rhakim

Unfortunately most of the country was too busy either listening to trump or out of fear/carelessness/ignorance comparing its total deaths to that of the flu instead of looking at its fatality rate, basic reproductive value and our lack of containment efforts in totality to grasp the bigger picture.

the writing has been on the wall for some time now... shyt there was enough compelling data out for me to say fukk it and start purchasing surgical masks/N95s/Lysol as early as jan 27...

 

[FAH1223]

 

[Hood Critic]

It is to note the drastic contrasts of Japan who did not commit to any sort of shutdown of businesses, no type of quarantine or social distancing, no border isolation that we know of but able to go on their daily lives treating COVID-19 no different from that of the flu yet doing better than almost all of Europe, especially Italy who chose to quarantine, isolate, and shutdown society practically and their numbers continue to rise exceedingly, worst than China.

If you want MY honest opinion. QUARANTINE DOES NOT WORK. It seems one of two things that actually been working and that is either EXTREME ISOLATION which mean rounding everyone up that is positive and place them in "quarantine" concentration camps isolated from the rest of society OR treat it like you treat any sickness, and if you are sick they'll do what they can...but if you aren't just manage it like you would with any type of flu-like virus, like it was ORIGINALLY suggested in the states well BEFORE it was identified that COVID-19 was here and that was when it was mostly diagnosed as a respiratory infection or flu that they could not identify. The panick and the fearmongering is not helping it nor is quarantine considering Italy is now having higher numbers than China.

Social distancing, extreme isolation - describe the normal Japanese culture.

But to your point, isolate everyone who is infected while others continue business as usual doesn't work if you can't identify those who are asymptomatic. That's why testing is the nucleus and that's the difference between Japan's containment and the US' nonchalant attitude toward the virus.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

It is to note the drastic contrasts of Japan who did not commit to any sort of shutdown of businesses, no type of quarantine or social distancing, no border isolation that we know of but able to go on their daily lives treating COVID-19 no different from that of the flu yet doing better than almost all of Europe, especially Italy who chose to quarantine, isolate, and shutdown society practically and their numbers continue to rise exceedingly, worst than China.

If you want MY honest opinion. QUARANTINE DOES NOT WORK. It seems one of two things that actually been working and that is either EXTREME ISOLATION which mean rounding everyone up that is positive and place them in "quarantine" concentration camps isolated from the rest of society OR treat it like you treat any sickness, and if you are sick they'll do what they can...but if you aren't just manage it like you would with any type of flu-like virus, like it was ORIGINALLY suggested in the states well BEFORE it was identified that COVID-19 was here and that was when it was mostly diagnosed as a respiratory infection or flu that they could not identify. The panick and the fearmongering is not helping it nor is quarantine considering Italy is now having higher numbers than China.

Honestly?

I think quarantine isn't working in certain places because in certain places people are not doing it

They're being told to...but are not doing it.

And thus the spread continues.

Look at those kids on Spring Break in Florida. Those people in Florida at Clearwater at the beach.

Some people legit do not give a fukk.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

surely it's illegal to do so?

 

[TheDarceKnight]

It is to note the drastic contrasts of Japan who did not commit to any sort of shutdown of businesses, no type of quarantine or social distancing, no border isolation that we know of but able to go on their daily lives treating COVID-19 no different from that of the flu yet doing better than almost all of Europe, especially Italy who chose to quarantine, isolate, and shutdown society practically and their numbers continue to rise exceedingly, worst than China.

If you want MY honest opinion. QUARANTINE DOES NOT WORK. It seems one of two things that actually been working and that is either EXTREME ISOLATION which mean rounding everyone up that is positive and place them in "quarantine" concentration camps isolated from the rest of society OR treat it like you treat any sickness, and if you are sick they'll do what they can...but if you aren't just manage it like you would with any type of flu-like virus, like it was ORIGINALLY suggested in the states well BEFORE it was identified that COVID-19 was here and that was when it was mostly diagnosed as a respiratory infection or flu that they could not identify. The panick and the fearmongering is not helping it nor is quarantine considering Italy is now having higher numbers than China.

There is likely an X-factor re: Japan. Also, in general people in Japan keep more distance when getting each other, and don't hug/kiss during greetings as much as they do in Italy. It sounds trivial, but little things like that can make a big difference. Or there's just another factor we aren't aware of.

Italy having worse numbers doesn't mean it's quarantine related. They have a lot of smokers, air pollution, burned out hospital workers, and any number of other things that I'm forgetting or that we don't understand yet.

I think a lot of people simply ignore it when they're told to isolate themselves or quarantine themselves. If people don't listen then it's definitely not going to work.

EDIT: @analog said it better than me in his post

Japan is like no other country though in terms of cleanliness. Folks don't shake hands, money and the subsequent change is placed on trays when paying at businesses. Also these folks have to be the least affectionate people on the planet. Very little hugging, kissing, fukking etc going on so the other opportunity for disease to spread is far less than other places.

What works over there will be very hard to replicate due to the cultural differences.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

@MrTV4 good points. FWIW there are other possible treatments besides a vaccine. There are some broad-spectrum anti virals that are supposed to be working well, as well as some other treatments. It's plausible that we could develop at least some treatments that are more helpful than just alleviating symptoms until we wait for a vaccine.

I bet trump gonna pressure them to release the vaccine prematurely just to win the election.

I wont be surprised nikkas be born with lung defects and chinaman diks

I see both sides to this. Rushing a vaccine could be a bad idea, but also there are times where the scientists understand that a vaccine works very well, but they still have to wait for the 3-4 FDA trial phases.

My epidemiologist friend I've referenced through this entire thread has said there are a few broad spectrum anti-virals that are being used in Russia as well as China that have been working pretty well if taken very quickly like Tamiflu (ASAP when you notice symptoms) and these medicines have gone through the whatever the equivalent of the FDA is in those countries. He has some stuff that he fought like hell to get for he and his wife if they get sick with COVID-19, and it's been used on patients with SARS, MERS, and even Ebola. It works by stopping the virus from copying itself. He’s has severe immunodeficiency and while no guarantee, he feels much safer now.

But he said that for a ton of reasons, the American pharmaceutical industry has never been very interested in broad-spectrum anti-virals. He said 2 reasons among many. 1 reason is that there are patents on some of these medicines they aren’t held within the U.S. The 2nd reason he mentioned is that American companies can make more money if they come up with one medication at a time per disease, instead of broad-spectrum medications.



I meant to ask him why broad-spectrum antibiotics are a thing here and broad spectrum anti-virals aren't. I forgot to, but I'll ask him tonight or tomorrow.

 

[nyknick]

Honestly?

I think quarantine isn't working in certain places because in certain places people are not doing it

They're being told to...but are not doing it.

And thus the spread continues.

Look at those kids on Spring Break in Florida. Those people in Florida at Clearwater at the beach.

Some people legit do not give a fukk.

Also the way possibly infected people are quarantined at home doesn't seem too safe either

"Hey you may be infected so ... go home hang out in your room, while people living with you try to avoid you while all of them go out and about their daily lives"

People that have symptoms and are tested should not be sent home. They have to be kept away from their family members

 

[TheDarceKnight]

I figured this had been done long before now.

 

[nyknick]

So we have multiple issues here.


We still don't have enough people tested daily.

We still don't have proper safety equipment for medical workers and the infected.

We still don't have proper medical facilities.

We still don't quarantine possibly infected people properly.

We still haven't institutes a proper lockdown.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Also the way possibly infected people are quarantined at home doesn't seem too safe either

"Hey you may be infected so ... go home hang out in your room, while people living with you try to avoid you while all of them go out and about their daily lives"

People that have symptoms and are tested should not be sent home. They have to be kept away from their family members

Yeah if anyone in a household gets it, everyone in the house should behave as if they have it.

Depending on the size of the house though, there are certain ways to mitigate the risk of others getting it. Much harder if it's a one story home, but ideally in a 2-story home the sick person should have the upstairs to themselves. If they go downstairs, they should wear a mask and gloves, and the people downstairs should close the doors in whatever rooms they are in. Either that or stay upstairs and if they need anything, someone could bring something to the top of the steps while wearing a mask and gloves.

If everyone is on one floor I don't know the best way to play it. It's clearly very hard to keep safe with multiple people in your home if you're sick, and most people don't have the luxury of 2-floor homes.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

So we have multiple issues here.


We still don't have enough people tested daily.

We still don't have proper safety equipment for medical workers and the infected.

We still don't have proper medical facilities.

We still don't quarantine possibly infected people properly.

We still haven't institutes a proper lockdown.

All good points. I will say that (sadly) we have still done more on a federal level so far than I would've expected. I thought it'd be even worse.