Could Bootcamp have even been bigger than The Wu ?

[Cool DOC]

Is it crazy that I don’t hate for the people?

No love for For Da People!? I'm honestly shocked.



How people can front on the Boot Camp doing what made us love em in the first place is nutsss.

That first song with them rocking off the break beat, Night Riderz, Illa Noyz, Black Out, Rugged Terrain.

Yea it had a few duds but to put it in the trash pile is wild.

And some of yall frontin on the Cocoa B'z album!? That album was just as good as the Dah Shinnin! Won On Won, Black Trump, Bucktown USA (then the remix with MOP), Spanish Harlem, Back 2 Life.., man yall trippin. And if Supa Brooklyn got cleared & it made it



Neither albums were flawless, but to get overlooked like this, egregious. In my humble, love of genuine hip hop, opinion.

 

[MisterMajesty]

How? Jumping on the beats of the producer of the moment?

Buckshot on a Neptunes?
Steele and Tek over Timbaland?

Maybe they could have put out some mixtapes like 50 or Wayne...

In my mind, simply working with more producers that were current (didn't have to be neptures or timb), doing wht guys like doom did with madlib, did. But with the points being shared in here, gotta retract my statement.

 

[Guvnor]

Ruck and Rock had star power but For The People album was an all time fumble that they never recovered from.

What was so bad about that album? Had some bangers imo but at the same time that record dropped before my time so I didn't know how it was perceived.

It was no Enta Da Stage or Nocturnal though for sure.

 

[Knucklehead]

What was so bad about that album? Had some bangers imo but at the same time that record dropped before my time so I didn't know how it was perceived.

It was no Enta Da Stage or Magnum Force though for sure.

Honestly I don’t remember the album at all at this point. All I know is that everyone was loving Heltah Skeltah and OGC albums and looking forward to this and this album was roundly disliked. It joined Nastradamus, Immobilarity and other such albums as mainstays in the bargain bin at every used CD store. Hahaha

 

[315]

Also that Magnum Force album was one of the most boring fukking albums in existence

This was very disappointing

 

[Walt]

Steele, Buckshot, Sean Price AND Starang are all way nicer than Deck.

I think Deck has a handful of verses that show he has a level of depth Starang never reached. Duel of the Iron Mic is an obvious one. Oddly enough, bombing atomically is not one for me. But he has an obscure verse on Cormega’s Industry remix that I think of. You had to have been there for that moment to understand it: Starang was a thing. A lot of us thought he had it.

 

[T.H.E. Goat]

No love for For Da People!? I'm honestly shocked.



How people can front on the Boot Camp doing what made us love em in the first place is nutsss.

That first song with them rocking off the break beat, Night Riderz, Illa Noyz, Black Out, Rugged Terrain.

Yea it had a few duds but to put it in the trash pile is wild.

And some of yall frontin on the Cocoa B'z album!? That album was just as good as the Dah Shinnin! Won On Won, Black Trump, Bucktown USA (then the remix with MOP), Spanish Harlem, Back 2 Life.., man yall trippin. And if Supa Brooklyn got cleared & it made it



Neither albums were flawless, but to get overlooked like this, egregious. In my humble, love of genuine hip hop, opinion.

I copped the album off the strength of this song, but honestly when I think about it the album was kinda forgettable.

 

[Atsym Sknyfs]

After Puff jacked the original James Brown beat for Total I was pissed.. I didnt like the headz aint rady remix beat.

Dru Ha was an intern at Nervous. After Nervous starting jerking them, he became their manager and the partnership that became BCC started.

 

[Atsym Sknyfs]

Boot camp .... as much as i love them are basically 8 of the same MC with different voices while the wu is 9 different personalities and hence 9 different MCs

 

[Achille]

Ruck and Rock told them that they didn't need them to proceed everything.

Buck said the plan was always to have Dee and Walt overseeing the albums, like they did on Enta Da Stage and Dah Shinin'. He said that was the tradition. But Health Skeletal didn't want to keep with the tradition, so after that, Dee and Walt took a step back and we see what happened. They said after Dah Shinin', there was a lot of internal issues, and everything spilled over when they did the compilation. Buck said before that the crew wasn't as tight anymore.

It was Ruck and Rock that changed the Boot Camp sound to move away from Da Beatminerz. Technically, it was they who initiated the experiment with other producers. They even sh!tted on the Minerz on Rap City, calling them the Sweetminerz.



You can basically say it was them who started using BCC with females singing on the hook, a style that began with Nocturnal.

 

[Bugzbunny129]

5 star posting right here. In retrospect we usually talk more about what the Wu and RZA did wrong, but everything they did right is crazy. We could probably study other groups/posses of the 90s and it would be quickly obvious how unique the Wu was.



As a fan of both (much more of a Wu-Stan tho) I always liked the fact both crews gave each other props over the years.

Yea. As much as i love bcc, wu is a different animal. Without the rza tho, wu would be bcc. Bcc is heavily relied on samples like wu. But theirs prolly cost more too. While rza scouted ahead and cleared stuff and reused it multi times.

Rza imo is by far the goat hip hop artist.

Everytbing from the use of numerology and word games (cream bible c.r.i.m.e. Etc) , the akas. caused intrigue. Then he shows them off. And uses mafia and superhero imagery. To blow them all up as bigger than life one by one.

Even the articles they let out. Which is why they beat guy up for the wack art. It was a very deliberate thing… BEYOND the music 99% of groups dont even come close.

 

[Bugzbunny129]

Btw starang is not nicer than deck.

Deck has like 10 nas 5 mic caliber verses. Starang is a good flow and presence but i never saw him rhyming like that

Assassination day
Cream
A better tomorrow
Heaterz
Duel of iron mic
Cold world

Or some of his solo stuff even.

 

[Woodrow]

Sean Price had him in his Top 5, for a reason.

But yeah, the flow and charisma was CRAZY too! LOL!! Dude needed a solo.

Sean Price having him top 5 is like a momma telling everyone they ugly ass baby is cute. Just cause they ignoring reality and they say it…

There is NO world where starang is top 5. Even if he locked in and had Beatminerz his whole run, he’s top 50 at best. I say that as a boot Stan.

 

[patscorpio]

i love both but bootcamp didn't have the IT factor that the Wu possessed....thats just a quick summarization without going into detail which have already been mentioned in here

 

[beenz]

Nervous/Wreck records seems to have played them. But I have always thought if Black Moon followed up Enta da Stage with a timely album...

Or did they lack the star power?

in the early 90's I had them right up there with wu tang. but by the time they got around to their follow up albums, the wheels fell off with them basically not using the beatminerz anymore, which really fukked up their sound IMO.

recent releases by buck and smiff n wessun have been solid tho.