Nah even before that he was injury proneLebron is probably the GOAT high school specimen. Can't even bring him up in this type of discussion
Livingston was fine. His injury didn't occur on some Rubio shyt, that was a freak accident. Never seen anything like that on the court. Even Kevin Ware and Paul George's injuries made more sense.
no more than any other high school player coming to the league. wall and rose dealt with it too. hell, healthy point guards are a premium in general
Amazing to see him get a ring. Him and Iggy deserve the recognitionLebron is probably the GOAT high school specimen. Can't even bring him up in this type of discussion
Livingston was fine. His injury didn't occur on some Rubio shyt, that was a freak accident. Never seen anything like that on the court. Even Kevin Ware and Paul George's injuries made more sense.
Agreed. Kyrie was on another level from day 1. He's the only player at Duke I've seen since the start of the OAD era that really had no business being in college. Okafor is a close 2nd though.no the only person in the last couple drafts imo has been kyrie irving.
honestly he was ready after his junior year in hs.
his 11 games at duke was a waste of time tbh
and he just turned 19 at this time
would have avg 20+ if he played 34-35mins
Come on man you know damn well you don't know anything about Magic Johnsons recruitment in high school
Westbrook was a nobody coming into to college. Wasn't no where near as highly recruited as Darren Collinson, kevin love, or any of the other high profile guys they had there. Again, you NBA nikkas need to watch both college and nba to have some perspective.I think Rose, Westbrook, Liv, and maybe Wall could've done it recently. But all of those guys are ridiculous athletes that stood out as some of, if not the best, athletes in their class. Look at all the guys who didn't make it.
Guards develop different than bigs. With high school bigs - its easy, because you can almost bet on how they'll develop physically. That's a huge part of drafting. Guards though... its the most difficult position to play in the NBA mentally and the most stacked by far talent wise.
I'm not saying PGs should never come out, but I would say that I just wouldn't ever feel comfortable with it.
Agreed
In HIGH SCHOOL? nikka Shut the fukk up. You don't know what the fukk you're talking about.
lol...though Telfair came after Paul I see what you mean
He waant even considered the best pg his junior year so how was he ready? His major development period came just before his senior yr. Are we basing this off of high school skills or nba success?
That's part of the issue. Recruiting guards for college isn't the same as recruiting guards for the NBA. With a big, you can tell what you're gonna get 9 times out of 10 judging by frame alone. Guards tho?
Selby was a beast though in high school. You're saying Kyrie was ready by his junior yr when if you ask most duke fans, including me, they will tell you that the summer entering his senior yr (which was right after he committed to duke) was when he really hit his stride. Look this argument is moot because we both agreed that kyrie shouldn't have been allowed in college.those hs rankings mean nothing
Austin Rivers was #1
Josh Selby was #1
Tyreke was pretty much force fed that rookie of the year, the team wasn't doing shyt and they had nothing holding Reke back as far as pounding the Rock and going to work.
The next season comes along and he didn't develop his jumper so teams knew what to expect and defended his drives.
After that he was moved off ball cuz management is dumb and didn't play too his stengths so now you have a actual PG talent wise playing primarily the 3 while not being a consistent shooter. If he can stay healthy and get any type of consistency with his jumper he's young enough to turn his career around.
I swear he had next brehs
Just shows how great and underrated D Wade is. There has been so many nikkas compared to him coming out of college (Foye, Evans, Waiters, Stuckey, Wall, and a few others I cont remember off top). Nobody has been able to do what Wade was doing early in his career.
