Could somebody please honestly tell me what the end goal of #BLACKLIVESMATTER is?

[Unknown Poster]

speak for your self im grinding everyday and we had to start from scratch too, im 28 and had to dont everything on my own. My grandparents and parents was like yeah just go to school and you'll get a good job, so after school when that job never came it dawned on me "wait that life doesn't even exist, they dont know what the real world is like for a BP in america, Im not the same as these white kids with connections".

the older generations set us up for failure, we have to survive in a racist capitalistic society and the only blueprint was "go to school and get a job" ....thats it? what!!!

This is something that BLM needs to address too. Honestly I'd like them to address black business and black unemployment. Something it seems they never do.

This whole mentality of go to school and work for the same people oppressing you (if they even hire you) is just nonsense.

 

[Elle Driver]

It seems to me like black people have a problem with everything. First the problem was that there isn't enough action, that the youth is lost, and too passive and too quiet. Even though we are still dealing with the bad hands that we've gotten from the previous generation. As if that's not bad enough, when so much of the black youth, show passion, commitment, and dedication to the cause, you guys now have a problem with it because it isn't EXACTLY what you want. You guys bash it, and belittle their efforts because it isn't perfectly aligned to what you think is ideal.

It's pitiful at this point. Call it what you'd like. The fact is, BLM has gotten more black people on the same page than any other movement since The Black Panthers. That's a fact.

You people are never going to be satisfied, and you are never going to understand that self accountability is the only way we can move forward. Instead of saluting the efforts of BLM, you all want to complain, and nitpick it's shortcomings, dissecting its flaws and making them out to be bigger than they are.

Black people are done for. There is no solution.

The nerve of some of you people. The fukking nerve.

As if standing around doing nothing for 30 years has done anything. Black people have made minimal progress. And the first movement of the social media era that directly brings attention to a black issue arrives, and you all want to bash it. Cowards.

This is why I refuse to be pro black anymore. Black people don't want action. You all want imaginary, la la land solutions that will NEVER happen.

If you're being pro black hinges upon how black people behave then you weren't ever really pro black.

 

[DrX]

Your lack of history knowledge and current affairs is really disturbing; but if I must explain again here we go.

Your statement " What is their goal", had already been answered. But let me explain

The American Justice system is unequal and unfair, in sentencing and policing. All "black lives matter" wants the Justice system to administer justice equally along racial lines. Hence the quote " Black lives matter". It has to "Matter" when it comes to policing, it has to " Matter" when it comes to sentencing, It had to " Matter" when it comes to drug laws and penalties. Again this is common knowledge to anybody who does basic research.

Your statement " what is marching for the 400th time going to do" ; doesn't give history the respect it deserves.

Protesting by Dr Martin Luther King and militants minds of protest by Malcolm X gave to the following.

1) Passage of the Civil rights act
2) Right to go any school of our choosing
3) fair housing act

4) What about the FDR racial protest. That led to African Americans getting middle class jobs in government work. Woodrow Wilson undercut this; but at least it was something

5) what about now?
A) Increase of Body cameras
B) Obama calls off militarization of police force
C) stop and frisk removal in certain cities ( NYC BEING THE BIGGEST)
D) what about the trickle down affect to college campuses ( which has led to diversity initivites amongst Ivy League schools. BTW Protesting allowed those black students to be at those Ivy League schools in the first place.

Stop trying to minimize historical success; as a person who doubled major in Finance and HISTORY. It's very offensive.

u dont know shyt bro....this is a capitalistic society, u need money to buy the things that u need. nobody is going to take u seriously if you're still eating out their hand

all these acts failed because blacks still dont have any capital. The jews gave us the blueprint, control wealth and resources and buy off the politicians and police
...u dont get anything by begging the guy thats fukking u in the ass everyday. hes just going to continue to fukk u after u beg him to stop

 

[31Flavors]

"At least BLM is doing something"

Actually, they're making things worse and have turned even more people against us

They have no purpose. Their purpose is to be obnoxious attention whores so they can feel like martyrs.

 

[Unknown Poster]

It seems to me like black people have a problem with everything. First the problem was that there isn't enough action, that the youth is lost, and too passive and too quiet. Even though we are still dealing with the bad hands that we've gotten from the previous generation. As if that's not bad enough, when so much of the black youth, show passion, commitment, and dedication to the cause, you guys now have a problem with it because it isn't EXACTLY what you want. You guys bash it, and belittle their efforts because it isn't perfectly aligned to what you think is ideal.

I'm not bashing anything. Just to let you know. I created this thread cause I wanted to get an iunderstanding of what BLM is trying to accomplish at the end of the day, and I figured it would be ideal to get as many perspectives of this issue as possible.

It's pitiful at this point. Call it what you'd like. The fact is, BLM has gotten more black people on the same page than any other movement since The Black Panthers. That's a fact.

The difference between the black panthers and the black lives matter movements are:

1) There were no white people involved in the black panther movement
2) The Black Panthers had guns and realized the full extent of what they were dealing with in regards to dealing with white society and realized that force had to be taken in order to have their demands taken seriously
3) that was a solidified movement that had a focus and a direction and an agenda.
4) they were about protecting black men, black women, black children and trying to create better for their communities as they knew that in order to proliferate as such, they had to be autonomous from the white system

Black Lives Matter is filled with white people. I don't care what anybody else, there is nothing white people can do for black people in a movement like this except move out of the way. Unless they care to change their ways, and try to do their best to dismantle their own system of racial privilege and supremacy that depends on subordination of black men and women, they're just a part of the problem and having them in any black centered movement will result in a failure of that movement.

Does black lives matter care about black autonomy or do they want to be able to proliferate under the white supremacist umbrella? Cause that's never gonna happen...EVER.

Both movements were infilitrated by cointelpro (counter intelligence) because they wanted to keep black people pacified as an underclass and for their own fears of a "black messiah". That's where those white people come in and why they are dangerous to that whole movement...cause, they represent and are beneficiaries of the same system black men and women are trying to dismantle. You think the CIA/FBI/DEA/ATF haven't paid off whites and some blacks to gain information on certain members of this movement to work against them?

Again...this is chess, not checkers. You're dealing with really dangerous people here that have the power to make people disappear. People that were involved in the assasination of JFK. And it's already funded by a former CIA informant so the movement is fukked right there.

It's already being referred to in the media as a "terrorist organization". And you know why people like Gloria Steinem and the CIA target student led organizations? Cause they're young, they don't know the world that well nor themselves and are easy to manipulate.

You people are never going to be satisfied, and you are never going to understand that self accountability is the only way we can move forward. Instead of saluting the efforts of BLM, you all want to complain, and nitpick it's shortcomings, dissecting its flaws and making them out to be bigger than they are.

Black people are done for. There is no solution.

The nerve of some of you people. The fukking nerve.

As if standing around doing nothing for 30 years has done anything. Black people have made minimal progress. And the first movement of the social media era that directly brings attention to a black issue arrives, and you all want to bash it. Cowards.

This is why I refuse to be pro black anymore. Black people don't want action. You all want imaginary, la la land solutions that will NEVER happen.

Well, sorry you feel that way, seems like you took the purpose of this thread the wrong way. That's all on you.

 

[KravenMorehead™]

just like 1960s civil rights gen....they wasn't doing nothing but begging for jobs and the chance to have sex with white people and we seen that in the 70s disco culture was all about IR hookups

if old nikkas were legit why wasn't they preaching economics. only dr Claude, X and the NOI was preaching shyt in the day. everybody else was on this equality bullshyt

I've been reading and engaging in these convos on boards since my late teens/early twenties, and I've saved alot of the perspectives i've read since then.

He's an excerpt from a old convo i saved/copy-pasted from another board. It will help you put our predicament in perspective better than I can at the moment...

Re: The Secret Meeting That Changed Rap Music And Destroyed A Generation​

"...the whole problem is really the blacks. The key is to devise a system that recognizes this while not appearing to." ~President Richard Nixon



I won't get into what that means right now for us. Take from it whatever you will.

It was also posted in the L.A. Times when it first came out:

http://articles.latimes.com/1994-05-...haldeman-diary

I gotta agree with the Mack/Superfly example. My mom (who had me in 1977) said that after Shaft came out, dating in the black community changed significantly. Overnight, teenage pregnancy shot up. It was obvious to anyone who was around during that time. She said every guy was trying to imitate Shaft and be "the black private dikk that's a sex machine to all the chicks".

At least PART of this shyt is due to a bankrupt culture that was sold to us in the 60's and 70's. We got to start admitting that we get suckered in by bullshyt media sometimes, so we can start calling it out when it shows up. As a cat who grew up during the "golden age" of hiphop, I remember how smoking weed was perceived before "The Chronic" CD dropped and after "The Chronic" CD dropped. Some of this shyt is our fault for being so damn gullible. Our grandparents' generation would have called it "foolishness" and K.I.M.

The same thing happened to our grandparents.

The era in film you're talking about is known as Blaxploitation which stands for Black Exploitation as I'm sure you know.

What was going on in film for Black people right before this?

Well in the era directly preceding the rise and dominance of the gangsta gangsta era in Hip Hop music, there was a song by a group called Public Enemy that they did with Ice Cube & Big Daddy Kane where the latter rapped about the era right before Blaxploitation:

"As I walk the streets of Hollywood Boulevard
Thinking how hard it was to those that starred
In the movies portraying the roles
Of butlers and maids slaves and hoes"

Kane wasn't lying. It's what was going on for us LARGELY in American society and whatever you promote in media to people is what will proliferate as well. Now I've made this point over and over again to folks like Quest. It's called social engineering and he knows it but he always denies it.

Here is my patented copy and paste as it regards this problem:

"The fact is that black women and black men are exploited and degraded by all forms of media. The truth of the matter is that if you don't know HOW to watch tv, you shouldn't be watching it at all. One shouldn't watch television unless they have at least a rudimentary understanding of the dynamics of symbolism.

We are learning even when we think we're not. Television (all forms of media) is a serious business. It is not something that the people behind the scenes take lightly at all. They have professionals who go through years of study in many different fields. They employ people who have had to pay their dues. They hire psychologists and behavioral scientists to consult whenever they're going to put the next ad on tv for a product or a service they want to sell. That product or service could be something in a commercial that's tangible that you can buy with money or it could be an idea or concept in a 30 minute comedy or 1 hour drama etc., They are all professionals. Masters of the craft. We sit down in front of the tv as amateurs just looking for a good time and fall prey from a very young age. I reiterate that if you don't know HOW to watch television you shouldn't be watching at all."

You know what I get when I tell folks this? I'm a conspiracy theorist. It ayne that deep. It's just entertainment.

We have never had control of our image in media in totality in this country. Truth be told, the ignorance of white folk as it regards controlling our image on television is what lead to the "official" discarding of the Jim Crow system in America and the Apartheid system in South Afrika. That's another conversation piece altogether. Point being that they never known quite how to portray AT FIRST some of the new formations that occur among us. It is at these times that we have greatest (though still not at an ideal level) control over our image. Later as they learned, there began to be stigma in the media(1960's) of Blacks as being militant, communist and gangsters/ criminals which is often how they portrayed our militant groups.

Directly preceding the gangsta gangsta era in Hip Hop we had the Black power movement going on. And we can see that at that time, Black people, on mostly smaller labels, had more control over the music, creativity, direction, image and so on. It was new to krakkaz. Same ol' story over again. They saw another genre that was small - mofos rapping about bullshyt FOR THE MOST PART. Note that the Black power movement era in Hip Hop was done in virtually on the over promotion of ONE GROUP. NWA. No other rap performer or group was more instrumental and the subsequent material that came out was often from members of that group or those affiliated with them. This also coincided with the big corporate take over of hip hop music.

Now, in a thread I started the other day about advanced PEACEFUL Afrikan civilizations that, Jodokast asked me a question about how I think we can get things under way for us as a people. I mentioned that the most likely first step for me would be the creation of a massive telecommunications network totally for Black people and by Black people with absolutely no involvement whatsoever from white folks on any level. Why? Because media has been used consistently to subvert our efforts.

THAT is how you spread IDEOLOGY like contagion. And THAT is how you affect change/ transformation in culture. Even in ancient times, once again, if we study we find that how cultures are changed and transformed consistently(though not exclusively as war is another way) is by way of MEDIA!!! And again, this is why I'm against the idea of just ditching or disowning a whole section of Afrikan people simply because they don't agree with your ideology. That's not what nation builders do.

There is nothing that can be done about the people who actually act in these films or rap in the music. There will always be people among us that can be used in this way for whatever reason. We're the ones that have to work toward reaching a level of power we're we not only have absolute control of our image in media, but we also have the power to prevent white people from empowering over us, the immature, selfish and/ or traitorous ones among us.

That to me is the greatest challenge. If we can do THAT then we would see a very fast and dramatic change in the cultural landscape.

We ayne gon' catch everybody. However, we'll have more people to nation build with that way than we would with Quest's carpooling sized method reminiscent of ol' John Brown and his 6 buddies that were gonna go up against the American military and take over America.

The results left much to be desired.

People will support whatever you keep hitting them over the head with. If all you give them is bullshyt music then that's all they will buy. If all you give them is bullshyt movies then that's what they'll go see. Whatever you're inundating people with is what they become acculturated and acclimated to over time. At the time of the release of the movie Malcolm X, the Black Power movement was in it's final throes in Hip Hop. Black people ate that up. And it's because that kind of atmosphere was already there from so much material of that nature being released why Malcolm X did good(profited) despite opening on the same weekend as Home Alone 2 a movie that grossed over 350 million dollars.

The point is to be consistent in all forms of media. We get taught all about white heroes, Black people who compromised with white folks and Black people who betray us. Therefore, that's what we want more of. Give us something different in music, movies & education all around and THAT is what we'll gravitate towards. That is why there is no pattern of "Black movies" or "accepted" Black history without the white heroes/ saviors pattern. That's why there is no pattern in any media of any kind in any of their institutions of uncompromising Black people.

Is it about money? Sure. But white people are Eurocentric, not objective. They make sure that most of what is put out there(movies, music, books, magazines etc) can BOTH make money AND influence people in the ways they want.

How do you know that something is in fact, as opposed to opinion, garbage? First thing to do is to define what garbage means within the context and then find a way to measure it.

It was Carter G. Woodson (author of The Miseducation of the Negro) who stated:

"The one who prescribes the diameter of your knowledge determines the circumference of your activity.”

In other words as they say, “a cow grazes where it is tied” and “cattle is only as good as the field in which it grazes.”

There are those who would call foods that contain all the vitamins and minerals your body needs to be healthy and durable garbage and that the greatest thing in the world is the junk food they eat everyday. We don't even live in an age anymore where later on when people begin to pay the natural consequences of their poor choices, they snap into reality and try to turn their life around and do that which is the opposite of the FACTUAL garbage they were doing before. Instead, they seek quick fixes so they can get back to the bullshyt.

Why? We're not dealing with humans versus blowflies. What is the reason for "garbage" to be considered an opinion now as opposed to fact by a single species?

Because life is now all about what brings pleasure. I have stated before that white people are psychopaths and their culture is psychopathic. I have also stated that psychopaths live to do whatever brings them pleasure. They know what is good. They know what is evil/ bad. They understand morality just fine. They simply ignore it in order to do whatever feels pleasurable to them. For them, if it feels good then it is good to do. If it feels bad then it is bad to do and it is either destroyed/ discarded or it is manipulated into that which can bring them pleasure.

This is what a psychopathic culture breeds. A bunch of people who only care about feeling pleasure. Lines are therefore, blurred. Burgers and fries are the shyt and get mad promotion by all forms of media while beets and okra sit on the shelf because they don't make our taste buds, which have acclimated to bullshyt "masquerading as foods, tingle.

The vast majority of what is promoted in Hip Hop is in fact garbage. The vast majority of what is promoted in Hip Hop is a lot of the same stuff we talk about whenever we get into debates about the things Black people are thinking and doing that are detrimental to them. In actuality, that's how our music has always been. We've always talked about the things that are detrimental to us. However, back in the day when we spoke of these things in the music, we actually used to speak of it as the pariah it was/ is. We spoke in condemnation of it, not so much in glorification.

We like garbage now. That's why what is garbage has now become opinion when once it was widely accepted fact. The one consistent thing about humans is that they have to be able to reconcile their own chosen form of existence. It's why white folk call child molestation, pedophilia. If you've chosen to do something that is absolutely inexcusable and horrendous, you have to be able to reconcile it/ justify it. Therefore, the word pedophilia etymologically doesn't break down as the sexual abuse of a child but as pedo(child) and philos(love). And that's exactly what child molesters think they're doing; loving a child. Child molestation advocates and activists (best believe they exist) will argue that such terms as "child molestation" or "child rape" to describe sexual intercourse between adults and children is a matter of opinion.

It's how Greek culture came into full acceptance of child molestation.

If you entertain it, that which you know within your SOUL is bullshyt, even for the sake of being some type of objective advocate of free speech or whatever other morally neutral clause, you better know exactly what you're getting yourself into.

I don't congratulate Lil' Wayne or any other rapper or person that becomes rich off actively participating in garbage that lowers the social health of our people. I don't congratulate a man who became rich off of selling drugs to us or one that fails at it and becomes rich later from rapping about it on record over and over again.

As much as I love the art of lyricism, which is a morally neutral clause, the shyt that many I consider to be lyrically talented actually rap about supersedes and overwhelms the poetic ability. For others, it's the reverse. It all depends whether you're going to be who you were designed by your Creator/ Creatress to be or you're going to be what your psychopathic human manipulators wish you to become.

Success is also morally neutral. People can be successful at a lot of things. But no matter how much people wanna talk about "don't hate, congratulate", I have to consider the full implications of that to which I give praise.

Signed -

The Hater who's mad that he ayne ballin' like dem rappers

 

[Anerdyblackguy]

u dont know shyt bro....this is a capitalistic society, u need money to buy the things that u need. nobody is going to take u seriously if you're still eating out their hand

all these acts failed because blacks still dont have any capital. The jews gave us the blueprint, control wealth and resources and buy off the politicians and police
...u dont get anything by begging the guy thats fukking u in the ass everyday. hes just going to continue to fukk u after u beg him to stop

Again I feel like me and you are going nowhere; but I'll try again ( at least for debate purposes). Your first quote is extremely odd " All these acts failed". What the hell are you talking about? Last time I checked black people going to the Ivy League in greater numbers, having equal rights to vote, having better opportunities for success is something to be proud of. It really annoys me, you're minimizing our ancestors success.

Then you brought up the Jews and comparisons to black people. This would be a nice comparison, if there weren't one significant difference. Jews are bounded by religion in comparison black people are bounded by race. There's a HUGE difference. You can be black and Muslim, you can be black and Christian, you can be black and agnostic, you can be black and Jewish; however you cannot be a Jew without celebrating the religion Judaism. This is key; because Jewish people are bounded by their religion, not just their racial color. THAT IS HOW THEY WERE ALLOWED TO GET POWER. A lot of connections are made at temple. That is not the case for black people. If every black people were Christian, Muslim, Jewish then this would be easier.

Then you ended it with this quote " ...u dont get anything by begging the guy thats fukking u in the ass everyday"
We actually agree on this! However based on your rhetoric, we would still be in trouble. Let me explain..,

Since we are being treated unfairly ( you agreed). Then why should we have to follow the same rules as everybody else. We're being taxed life first world people; however we're being treated like second class citizens. This was the mindset, that led to the Civil rights movement, American Revolution ( taxation without representation), apartheid movement in South Africa etc.

BTW: Protesting is not begging! Protest is to demand action, to a social or political problem. Hence the word "Demand". Demand and begging are not one in the same.

 

[KravenMorehead™]

Re: The Secret Meeting That Changed Rap Music And Destroyed A Generation (cont'd)

There has been an underbelly society in the Black community from before anyone on this board was born. Same for white folk. The exponential growth of that underbelly for us is due to outside influence/ media manipulation fostering, facilitating, encouraging its growth. Not only is it not done on this level to white people or any other people for that matter but consider also that we're not in the same position as them. We don't now and have no history in this country of having the same social experience as white folk. We are in a more susceptible position to influence than they are because of the broken down culture we've had ever since being brought to this country.

I say it all the time. Culture is a people's social immune system. And just like the immune system in your body, if it is broken down, you become especially susceptible to all kinds of illnesses and disease to the point where even the common cold, depending on the degree of damage to the immune system, can kill you.

I agree with everything the brotha stated. I simply would like to supplement it by saying that us rioting against the system wasn't just a late 60's thing. There isn't a decade in the history of this place where Black people were not revolting in some form or another against the system, including violently. What caused for it to be more widespread was also what caused for attention to it to be more widespread across the world.

Television!

I say it all the time. There was nothing going on in the 60's that was conceptually any different than any other period of time in the history of America as it regards the oppression of Afrikan people and our response to it. There was no mysterious change of heart that occurred for white people at that time. It was simply a change of strategy as a modification of the war against us due to the damage done to white people's/ America's image with international tv cameras showing them beating up on people walking hand in hand singing songs of praises to god only begging for "fair treatment". All that while America was in the middle of a war where they were claiming to be bringing "freedom" to people and America has always waved that banner of being a free country real hard and have pounded people in other countries over the head with it.

You don't do the type of shyt they were doing to people while at the same time having morals that simply ayne been "activated" yet. You do those kinds of things when you DON'T have morals. That's a psychopath. And specifically in this case, there is such a thing as narcissistic psychopaths. They care even more than regular psychopaths about their IMAGE. Negative attention as it concerns their image/ the things they do causes them dissonance inside of their heads.

Check the history of South Africa. I guarantee you that if you study it you will find the same. Rioting and revolt was not a thing of the 80's/ 90's for them. They were always resistant to the system down there. But again, it was the television footage doing damage to white folks AGAIN that caused them to change. It was the same thing - Black folk walking hand in hand singing songs of praises to god while being beaten up by white folk.

And now they've learned how to use media against us perfectly. The mistake before was that they showed the causes for our behavior and they showed our responses and they showed how they responded. Now, they simply show how we respond and how they respond. They don't show the causes any more. And television is totally dedicated to promoting the point of view of the establishment. A thousand cop dramas, a thousand reality cop shows, a thousand courtroom dramas, a thousand reality courtroom shows. A million shows showing degenerate Black folks ...

A lot of folks aren't seeing the bigger picture.

No one is absolving anyone of personal responsibility for their own individual behaviors. If you've paid any attention at all to the cointelpro program, they didn't simply create havoc out of thin air. They played upon certain divisions and conflicts in order to maximize the worst case scenarios.

People keep looking for perfection when it comes to Black folks. There is no segment of the Black community that is or have ever been perfect. Get over that.

Think realistically and think long-term in every direction.

The pro-Black movement in Hip Hop music never died. It was pre-empted and it was pre-empted primarily by the over marketing of one group - NWA - which represented a pre-existing element in our communities that we were attempting to deal with in a positive manner.

I've said it before. We are the only people whose underbelly element is promoted so heavily in media for the specific purpose of undermining both our morale as well as our moral authority.

As much as white people complained about their(gangsta rap) music the fact of the matter is that when you look at the marketing, they obviously either liked it more or hated it less than the Black power movement in Hip Hop. Prior to this, Black people had a lot more say in the direction of the music because there were a lot of small companies that we worked from. But around this time, early 90's, a lot of big corporate takeovers begin.

Even NWA had a touch of militancy in their music if you're familiar with their catalogue. But only a touch. It was filled far more with bullshyt than it was with anything helpful. Yeah there were other west coast artists around, but none got half the marketing that NWA did.

And can anyone truly argue that NWA is not basically the foundation of popular west coast rap or even popular rap for the next few years after that?

I've spoken about this before on here. This same thing has happened before in this country. Going DIRECTLY from being mostly about pro-Blackness and upliftment for the community to being mostly about pimps & hoes, nikka dis/ nikka dat/ violence primarily against your own kind.

Same thing happened transitioning from the 1960's to the 70's. We went from being mostly about pro-Blackness and upliftment for the community to an era of Blaxploitation bullshyt about pimps & hoes, nikka dis/ nikka dat and violence primarily against your own. Again, there was a pre-existing condition. Our leaders at the time such as Malcolm X spoke on prostitution and violence in our communities. He spoke in a positive and helpful way about those things, not in glorification of them. In those Blaxploitation movies too you can see an element of "pro-Black" type stuff/ going at the real enemy, but there was far more bullshyt going on and as time went on, it just got worse and worse. Again, over-marketing of the underbelly segment of our society.

Black people, for the most part, do not think in these terms. All they see now is what's going on in front of their eyes. No hindsight or foresight.

There are a lot of things that factor into how these things happen and it doesn't only happen in America. Like I said, some of it has to do with our own imperfect behavior. That element exists among all peoples. But the concept that some people are trying to get folks to believe i.e. that Black people are more imperfect than everybody else and that is the main reason why we are where we are is BULLshyt!!

What we are, are an imperfect people being administered to by a people who have always had a calculated agenda against us that they've always taken action on. The music industry is but one aspect of that agenda. The agenda exists in all 9 areas of people interactivity i.e. economics, education, entertainment, labor, law, politics, religion, sex and war. Without our conditioning and indoctrination in areas such as economics, education, labor, law & sex, for instance, you wouldn't have what you do in the entertainment.

It ain't only in America that Black people went directly from having to deal with a major hurdle with blunt and blatant white oppression to an epidemic of drugs & guns. Check Brazil. Check South Africa. Check Jamaica. Keep checking.

Length, depth, width and breadth of sight is mandatory for clarity.

As long as it ain't too anti-white, they'll put it out to see if it can make them money. At the time in question, things were already headed that way to begin with and white people didn't have the extent of control over hip hop back in the 80's as they do now which began with the big corporate take-overs in the early 90's.

Let's not forget that white people are 70% of the buyers of these records. You not just gonna pin all this shyt on Black people. White people not only have an appetite for the destruction of Black people, but it is from THEM that we acquired a taste for our own destruction as well.

The first kinds of gangster rap music that was coming out still had a slight Black power edge to them as a left-over and the white folks in power showed their distaste for it. The closest any rapper ever came to talking about killing white people on records the way they talk about killing nikkaz all the time is whenever records were put out about killing police i.e. "fukk the Police" and "Cop Killer". The police are a major institution of white power. Every time that happened, the establishment would cry out and white people in different sectors of the society would call on their white brethren who headed up the record labels so as to basically say to them "hey, we understand the whole capitalism thing and making money and profits, but at the same time while we don't have a problem with the lopsided promotion of murder-nikkaz-music ***wink wink***, we can't have them targeting white people like that. We can't have THAT concept becoming "normal".

Both Black people and white people will fight for the right of white people to call Black people nikkaz, but the minute MJ & Mos Def used a slur for jews, they were all over that shyt. They're not HAVING THAT! Even if it makes money, they're not having that!

Record companies who care about the business end of things don't put out music according to what Black people are going to buy. We're not the major consumers. They put out music according to what the majority of consumers will buy. It ain't that we don't make them any money. We just won't make them as MUCH money as the white consumers. Before the Black Power movement became popular, we were listening to that type of shyt on the underground. Same thing after they started over-promoting and over-hyping the controversy of gangsta rap. Gangsta rap itself wasn't as heavily promoted in mainstream media as the controversy surrounding it was. That's why NWA sold like that. It wasn't about the music. That shyt was largely banned from radio stations. It was about the controversy. They sold off of infamy and notoriety.

That's how you successfully preempt a "regularly scheduled program". The Black Power movement didn't stop when gangsta rap came on the scene. They coincided. But eventually white people chose to start promoting gangsta rap more and the Black Power genre less.

It's the promotion of it and any psychologist or social scientist can tell you this. There was no demand for gangsta rap that they then decided to fill. They simply manipulated media to create the demand for something that nobody was actually looking for like that and they do that a lot. shyt that you never wanted or needed--if they simply market the hell out of it, you'll eventually acquire a taste for it. It's programming. They create needs, wants and desires where formerly there were none. That is the power of media/ propaganda. For better or for worse, if you are exposed to it and you don't know how to systematically relate to it, it will affect you one way or the other be it the brotha in Malawi who got exposed to some media (books) and got inspired to construct windmills to provide electricity for his village or some of the other brothers right there as well who got exposed to bullshyt music and go around calling each other ****** over there now too.

Which do you think is more readily available to them? The books or the bullshyt music? And do we really think it's because they want bullshyt music more than they want development?

Get real!

They never believe till it's too late. They just clown folks and call'em names and say we always blaming white folks for shyt. When white folks reveal the records of what they did, negros are like "oh well".

Don't let anyone, including Black People, get away with the argument that the bullshyt music sells because WE(Black People) buy it i.e. white people care about us so they give us what we like/ want. These are the same folks that turn around and admit that hollywood, for instance, typically doesn't like to invest too much money in "Black movies" because we're not the main demographic that brings in the lion's share of the revenue they get. White people are. And that's the same story with the music industry as well. White people are the major consumers, not Black People.

Thus, they are catering primarily to white people. It just so happens that what white people generally like to see of Black People has always been destructive to us.

 

[Unknown Poster]

Your lack of history knowledge and current affairs is really disturbing; but if I must explain again here we go.

Your statement " What is their goal", had already been answered. But let me explain

The American Justice system is unequal and unfair, in sentencing and policing. All "black lives matter" wants the Justice system to administer justice equally along racial lines. Hence the quote " Black lives matter". It has to "Matter" when it comes to policing, it has to " Matter" when it comes to sentencing, It had to " Matter" when it comes to drug laws and penalties. Again this is common knowledge to anybody who does basic research.

Your statement " what is marching for the 400th time going to do" ; doesn't give history the respect it deserves.

Protesting by Dr Martin Luther King and militants minds of protest by Malcolm X gave to the following.

1) Passage of the Civil rights act
2) Right to go any school of our choosing
3) fair housing act

4) What about the FDR racial protest. That led to African Americans getting middle class jobs in government work. Woodrow Wilson undercut this; but at least it was something

5) what about now?
A) Increase of Body cameras
B) Obama calls off militarization of police force
C) stop and frisk removal in certain cities ( NYC BEING THE BIGGEST)
D) what about the trickle down affect to college campuses ( which has led to diversity initivites amongst Ivy League schools. BTW Protesting allowed those black students to be at those Ivy League schools in the first place.

Stop trying to minimize historical success; as a person who doubled major in Finance and HISTORY. It's very offensive.

Thank you very much and I appreciate your insight.

My issues with this though...is the income gap and wealth gap between blacks and whites has increased tremendously over the years to an all time high. Black unemployment is still ridiculously high. The 25 black owned banks in the nation are struggling to stay open. Schools are more segregated now than they were in the 50s with the most diverse city in America (NYC) ironically having the most segregated schools in the country.

So is BLM fighting to be involved in a system that has proven time and time again it doesn't care for us nor does it want us or is it fighting for black men and women to build up wealth, have businesses that can employ black men and women, have services that cater to black men and women like healthcare, banks, etc?

Cause I honestly, pardon my french, think it's the epitome of insanity to want our opressors to stop oppressing us and to accept us at the same time.

Keep this in mind.

 

[Unknown Poster]

this is a capitalistic society, u need money to buy the things that u need. nobody is going to take u seriously if you're still eating out their hand

all these acts failed because blacks still dont have any capital. The jews gave us the blueprint, control wealth and resources and buy off the politicians and police
...u dont get anything by begging the guy thats fukking u in the ass everyday. hes just going to continue to fukk u after u beg him to stop

It saddens me that my people still aren't getting this.

 

[Unknown Poster]

"At least BLM is doing something"

Actually, they're making things worse and have turned even more people against us

They have no purpose. Their purpose is to be obnoxious attention whores so they can feel like martyrs.

And honestly....thjat's because the movement has been co-opted and infiltrated.

It's like people don't pay attention to history and therefore it repeats itself.

Okay, I'm gonna have to drop this link again...

Cause Gloria Steinem and George Soros gave BLM $33 Million in donations. Why?

BLACK FEMINISM, THE CIA AND GLORIA STEINEM.

The FACTS surrounding Gloria Steinem’s CIA operations follow:

FACT: Gloria Steinem is a CIA Agent and everything she has ever done throughout her adult life has been under the direction of the CIA.

FACT: Gloria Steinem was recruited into the CIA before she even graduated high school.

FACT: Gloria Steinem, who was from a poor and dysfunctional family and lived in a house without running water, was able to attend the elite and expensive Smith College. After she graduated she spent two years in India spying for the CIA. She received a “Chester Bowles Student Fellowship” to “study” in India. This was a Fellowship created by the CIA to cover Steinem’s expenses in India—no one has received a “Cheater Bowles Student Fellowship” either before or since Steinem received one.

FACT: One of Gloria Steinem’s first missions for the CIA was to manipulate the student movement (most people are STILL unaware that the National Student Association was created, funded and manipulated by the CIA). Steinem did this by organizing “student festivals” in Europe in the 1950’s and 1960’s. Steinem used the “student festivals” to spy on students for the CIA and she likely used the festivals to recruit new agents for the CIA. A second and more successful mission was to shift the orientation of the “woman’s movement” and splinter the Black Revolution of the 1960’s.

FACT: In 1958, Cord Meyer, head of the CIA’s International Organizations division (IO), had a plan. The Agency would provide discreet funding to an “informal group of activists” who would constitute themselves as an alternative American delegation to the festival. The CIA would not only pay their way but also assist them to distribute books and publish a newspaper in Vienna. Among other individuals, Meyer and his colleagues hired Gloria Steinem to work with them. Steinem had recently returned from a two-year stint in India.

FACT: In 1958, Steinem was recruited by CIA’s Cord Meyers to direct the “informal group of activists” now called the “Independent Research Service.” This was part of Meyer’s “Congress for Cultural Freedom,” which created magazines like “Encounter” and “Partisan Review” to promote a left-liberal chic to oppose Marxism. It was this operation that Steinem’s “student festivals” was a part of. Besides spying on students, Steinem also acted as an agent provocateur, helping to provoke riots.

 

[Anerdyblackguy]

Thank you very much and I appreciate your insight.

My issues with this though...is the income gap and wealth gap between blacks and whites has increased tremendously over the years to an all time high. Black unemployment is still ridiculously high. The 25 black owned banks in the nation are struggling to stay open. Schools are more segregated now than they were in the 50s with the most diverse city in America (NYC) ironically having the most segregated schools in the country.

So is BLM fighting to be involved in a system that has proven time and time again it doesn't care for us nor does it want us or is it fighting for black men and women to build up wealth, have businesses that can employ black men and women, have services that cater to black men and women like healthcare, banks, etc?

Cause I honestly, pardon my french, think it's the epitome of insanity to want our opressors to stop oppressing us and to accept us at the same time.

Keep this in mind.

I respect this debate with you, it's been civil. . But again we are not seeing eye to eye here. And I think you're a little confused about what BLM is actually promoting. BLM is built around Judical equality; it seems you want them to stretch out to everything else, Housing, Wealth, unemployment, education etc. Thats fair; however that is not their mission. So that burden shouldn't be placed on them. They're organizations that cater to each of the problems you have stated.

Unemployment - National Urban League
Education - look what's happening now on campuses, ( concerned students 1950, NAACP)
Wealth - ( This should be under the NAACP; however I personally believe this is a more mental ideology personally).
Housing ( NAACP).

Again just because they're not getting the press as BLM, doesn't make them less important.

This quote by you is interesting "Cause I honestly, pardon my french, think it's the epitome of insanity to want our opressors to stop oppressing us and to accept us at the same time".

All I ask is why not? If were oppressed then why not demand change? I think being oppressed, while paying equal taxes and abiding by equal laws is insane in itself. Are white people going to accept us with open arms? Of course not; however we earned ( slavery built this economy and country) and deserve ( we pay taxes and abide by laws too) to have an equal playing field. This is why we protest. Respect your arguments; but I do disagree.

 

[Unknown Poster]

Re: The Secret Meeting That Changed Rap Music And Destroyed A Generation (cont'd)

this could be it's own thread.....wow!

 

[KravenMorehead™]

this could be it's own thread.....wow!

True. But you know what they say about leading horses to water...

 

[Unknown Poster]

I respect this debate with you, it's been civil. . But again we are not seeing eye to eye here. And I think you're a little confused about what BLM is actually promoting. BLM is built around Judical equality; it seems you want them to stretch out to everything else, Housing, Wealth, unemployment, education etc. Thats fair; however that is not their mission. So that burden shouldn't be placed on them. They're organizations that cater to each of the problems you have stated.

Unemployment - National Urban League
Education - look what's happening now on campuses, ( concerned students 1950, NAACP)
Wealth - ( This should be under the NAACP; however I personally believe this is a more mental ideology personally).
Housing ( NAACP).

Again just because they're not getting the press as BLM, doesn't make them less important.

This quote by you is interesting "Cause I honestly, pardon my french, think it's the epitome of insanity to want our opressors to stop oppressing us and to accept us at the same time".

All I ask is why not? If were oppressed then why not demand change? I think being oppressed, while paying equal taxes and abiding by equal laws is insane in itself. Are white people going to accept us with open arms? Of course not; however we earned ( slavery built this economy and country) and deserve ( we pay taxes and abide by laws too) to have an equal playing field. This is why we protest. Respect your arguments; but I do disagree.

Good insight I appreciate the discussion even if we don't meet eye to eye 100%

The bolded is right on...especially the underlined and red part.
It's nice to have a discussion on here that doesn't resort to insults or namecalling or just bashing the character of other posters.