COVID-19 Pandemic (Coronavirus)

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14 April 2020

Are Ventilators Killing More People Than They’re Saving??

“Researchers in Wuhan…reported that, of 37 critically ill Covid-19 patients who were put on mechanical ventilators, 30 died within a month. In a U.S. study of patients in Seattle, only one of the seven patients older than 70 who were put on a ventilator survived; just 36% of those younger than 70 did.” (“With ventilators running out, doctors say the machines are overused for Covid-19”, STAT News)



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Are Ventilators Killing More People Than They're Saving?? - Global Research

Yeah a medical dr who is well respected in italy mentioned this. He believes that the ventilator technique may need to change because this virus effects the lungs in a totally different manner than what we have seen in the past.
 

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I get that. It’s just funny people are blaming the WHO when they should be blaming the mf that ignored the intelligence he had.

Everything you said is true. We have a clown in the office and his cronies and fans who will deflect anything that paints the dummy in a bad light.
 

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We had a discussion on this, and one breh on here who I assume is a doctor or really educated RN (sorry breh I can't remember your name) and I think @Lakerman0834 agreed that what you have to look at is the patient not the numbers. Someone shared a tweet of a patient with a saturation of 54% or something using a phone, which I guess would be alarming under normal circumstances. But the patient was up and conscious. So in that case, they shouldn't be venting the patient based on everything I've seen those two brehs say and after talking to my mom about it. In that same picture, the patient instead had oxygen (without the pressure of vent) and was lying prone on their belly which helps supposedly.

But I think some patients will still need ventilators depending on what their circumstance currently is.

edit: It was @BlackMamba824 I was thinking of. Thanks chief :ehh:

Yep this is what the Italian doctor was saying.

Also as Cuomo been saying for over a month. The longer you on a ventilator the higher the likelihood that you will do.

Cuomo even said today 80% of the folks on ventilators never get off a ventilator.
 

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They did say that people experience Cytokine Storms. If that happens, your own body is going to attack all your organs and leave damage. Going to give this a read, but is this what they say is the cause?

edit: It has a paywall :francis:
https://nypost.com/2020/04/15/coronavirus-reportedly-damages-patients-kidneys-heart-liver/

The coronavirus not only destroys the lungs — it can also harm the heart, kidneys and liver, a report said Wednesday.

Medical professionals around the world are seeing evidence suggesting COVID-19 could be causing a slew of issues unrelated to the lungs, including heart inflammation, acute kidney disease, neurological malfunction, blood clots, intestinal damage and liver problems, The Washington Post reported.

Nearly half of those hospitalized with the virus have blood or protein in their urine, showing early damage to their kidneys, according to Alan Kliger, a nephrologist at the Yale School of Medicine.

Early data also shows that 14 to 30 percent of ICU patients in New York and Wuhan, China — where the virus originated — losing kidney function and needing dialysis or continuous renal replacement therapy, Kliger said.

“That’s a huge number of people who have this problem. That’s new to me,” Kliger said.

“I think it’s very possible that the virus attaches to the kidney cells and attacks them.”

The illness could also harm the heart, with doctors in China and New York reporting myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle, and irregular heart rhythms that can lead to cardiac arrest in COVID-19 patients.

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“They seem to be doing really well as far as respiratory status goes, and then suddenly they develop a cardiac issue that seems out of proportion to their respiratory issues,” said Mitchell Elkind, a Columbia University neurologist and president-elect of the American Heart Association.

“This seems to be out of proportion to their lung disease, which makes people wonder about that direct effect.”

Some reports also indicate that the virus can target the liver. It also appears to be able to produce blood clots in the veins of the legs and other vessels, which can break off, travel to the lung and cause death by pulmonary embolism.

This is becoming more common across the Big Apple, with blood thinners being used to treat patients more than expected, according to Sanjum Sethi, an assistant professor of medicine at Columbia University’s Irving Medical Center.

“We’re just seeing so many of these events that we have to investigate further.”
 

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14 April 2020

Are Ventilators Killing More People Than They’re Saving??

“Researchers in Wuhan…reported that, of 37 critically ill Covid-19 patients who were put on mechanical ventilators, 30 died within a month. In a U.S. study of patients in Seattle, only one of the seven patients older than 70 who were put on a ventilator survived; just 36% of those younger than 70 did.” (“With ventilators running out, doctors say the machines are overused for Covid-19”, STAT News)



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Are Ventilators Killing More People Than They're Saving?? - Global Research

Scary stuff. There's no guideline to treating this and it seems that there is an overuse of ventilators given the small experiment in China and anecdotal evidence from other countries.

I hope doctors are not just use the oxygen saturation level in the blood as the only decision to put someone on ventiltors.
 

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This guy actually shytted on Pelosi for not taking the virus seriously, then says politicians don't know what they're doing. Is this dude for real? Did he forget that he called the virus a hoax? Didn't he have plenty of info on the virus and did nothing? fukk this guy.
 

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This guy actually shytted on Pelosi for not taking the virus seriously, then says politicians don't know what they're doing. Is this dude for real? Did he forget that he called the virus a hoax? Didn't he have plenty of info on the virus and did nothing? fukk this guy.

Trump's level of self conciousness and self awareness is non existent
 
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