Cowspiracy - Netflix Documentary

[Brown_Pride]

So I'm an AVID and passionate consumer of meat no joke this shyt has me questioning that shyt. Anyone watch this documentary? Thoughts?

The documentary itself isn't really a vegan propaganda film more a film about the effect of the Agricultural business on global warming and the environment. For sure it has a "vegan" message at the end but everything else until that point, at least based on what research I've done up to this point, is science.

Pretty damn eye opening, I highly recommend it.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I listened to the JRE podcast with these guys...and they're hardcore vegans. Take that as you will.

 

[Brown_Pride]

I listened to the JRE podcast with these guys...and they're hardcore vegans. Take that as you will.

yeah i took that into consideration with regards to the last 10 minutes of the documentary where they show their agenda. Doesn't take away from the affect and complete disregard of agribusiness on the environment. Not gonna lie I will be eating less meat at this point. Not NO meat, but certainly less of it.

 

[88m3]

I'll check it out this week

 

[AyahuascaSippin]

yeah i took that into consideration with regards to the last 10 minutes of the documentary where they show their agenda. Doesn't take away from the affect and complete disregard of agribusiness on the environment. Not gonna lie I will be eating less meat at this point. Not NO meat, but certainly less of it.

Good thread, i havent come across this video before though, so i'll discuss my thoughts after i watch it. In regards to the topic discussed however, it is pretty clear that nutrition has a huge impact on our bodies that we seem to neglect. In fact every chronic disease of mind and body can be traced back to a nutrient deficiency. However, focusing on only meat is just a fraction of the battle. Whole grains (anything containing gluten) is damn near unbreakable in the human body, leading to inflamation of the very organs which are responsible for nutrient intake. Dairy is also a problem, especially the watered down milk being peddled as the full fat raw version (containing the beneficial bacteria) just looks too lumpy for the modern consumer. Then theres cooking oils, which are essentially poison, and malnourished crops, weak and lifeless due to excessive pesticide use which is eradicating the soil's bacteria that is supposed to digest the nutrients that should be within the plants eaten by us and our animals. Another huge issue is the amount of antibiotics drip fed to the animals we eat, essentially causing immunities regardless of whether youve chosen to (over)consume antibiotics yourself. Most of these points are touched upon in the following ~11 minute video.


This is another brilliant documentary entitled 'The beautiful truth' based on the scientific proof surrounding a diet that can cure cancer, in addition to the foods that fuel such cellular mutations

 

[MMS]

last time global warming reversed was during the black plague in europe where millions of people died and their agriculture with them

natural forest >>>> crops for human consumption

when it comes to producing oxygen and consuming CO2

it has more to do with it than any other factor.

but because of this, it is unlikely anything will be done about it

as far as the nutrition, if you eat enough of anything it can have adverse effects. Yet if not for our meat consumption our ancestors would still have the same intelligence as baboons and other apes

 

[tmonster]

I got 99 problems, but meat ain't one
#VeganSet

 

[tmonster]

Good thread, i havent come across this video before though, so i'll discuss my thoughts after i watch it. In regards to the topic discussed however, it is pretty clear that nutrition has a huge impact on our bodies that we seem to neglect. In fact every chronic disease of mind and body can be traced back to a nutrient deficiency. However, focusing on only meat is just a fraction of the battle. Whole grains (anything containing gluten) is damn near unbreakable in the human body, leading to inflamation of the very organs which are responsible for nutrient intake. Dairy is also a problem, especially the watered down milk being peddled as the full fat raw version (containing the beneficial bacteria) just looks too lumpy for the modern consumer. Then theres cooking oils, which are essentially poison, and malnourished crops, weak and lifeless due to excessive pesticide use which is eradicating the soil's bacteria that is supposed to digest the nutrients that should be within the plants eaten by us and our animals. Another huge issue is the amount of antibiotics drip fed to the animals we eat, essentially causing immunities regardless of whether youve chosen to (over)consume antibiotics yourself. Most of these points are touched upon in the following ~11 minute video.

will look into the whole wheat claim and report back
thanks

 

[AyahuascaSippin]

as far as the nutrition, if you eat enough of anything it can have adverse effects. Yet if not for our meat consumption our ancestors would still have the same intelligence as baboons and other apes

this is a highly debatable subject. The evidence regarding the mental capacity of prehumans is scarce and commonly accepted even among the science community as a strawman attempt to reconstruct an image of our history based in minimal understanding. For example, neanderthals are commonly labelled prehuman (as any upright walking primate is, which is pretty retarded logic) however people with the rh- gene which is essentially neanderthal influenced, have a higher average iq than those that are rh+. Bringing it back to our diet though, the requirements for optimal human function are basically 90 nutrients: 60 minerals, 16 vitamins, 12 amino acids and 2 fatty acids. Getting your rdi of these and cutting back on carcinogenic foods such as whole grains, red meat, dairy and oils is pretty much as simple as it gets. Buy organic when available, grow your own if possible, find alternatives for whole grains and ensure you have nutrient rich such as chia + flax seeds, watercress, molasses, leafy greens, berries etc and see what impact it has on your mental and physical wellbeing

 

[Brown_Pride]

Good thread, i havent come across this video before though, so i'll discuss my thoughts after i watch it. In regards to the topic discussed however, it is pretty clear that nutrition has a huge impact on our bodies that we seem to neglect. In fact every chronic disease of mind and body can be traced back to a nutrient deficiency. However, focusing on only meat is just a fraction of the battle. Whole grains (anything containing gluten) is damn near unbreakable in the human body, leading to inflamation of the very organs which are responsible for nutrient intake. Dairy is also a problem, especially the watered down milk being peddled as the full fat raw version (containing the beneficial bacteria) just looks too lumpy for the modern consumer. Then theres cooking oils, which are essentially poison, and malnourished crops, weak and lifeless due to excessive pesticide use which is eradicating the soil's bacteria that is supposed to digest the nutrients that should be within the plants eaten by us and our animals. Another huge issue is the amount of antibiotics drip fed to the animals we eat, essentially causing immunities regardless of whether youve chosen to (over)consume antibiotics yourself. Most of these points are touched upon in the following ~11 minute video.


This is another brilliant documentary entitled 'The beautiful truth' based on the scientific proof surrounding a diet that can cure cancer, in addition to the foods that fuel such cellular mutations

the thing is the bulk of why i think it's important for people to watch this has nothign to do with nutrition. Hell I, in spite of knowing the health hazards of foods, still eat certain things and i was ok with that. We all gotta die of something. What hit me was just how horrible the movie, and the science it quotes, shows agribusines is to the environment AND how potentially in bed large environmental groups like SIerra club, green peace, etc. are with agribusiness. Put it like this, my son who is 10, watched this and was able to see that.

Definite worth the time to watch

 

[MMS]

this is a highly debatable subject. The evidence regarding the mental capacity of prehumans is scarce and commonly accepted even among the science community as a strawman attempt to reconstruct an image of our history based in minimal understanding. For example, neanderthals are commonly labelled prehuman (as any upright walking primate is, which is pretty retarded logic) however people with the rh- gene which is essentially neanderthal influenced, have a higher average iq than those that are rh+. Bringing it back to our diet though, the requirements for optimal human function are basically 90 nutrients: 60 minerals, 16 vitamins, 12 amino acids and 2 fatty acids. Getting your rdi of these and cutting back on carcinogenic foods such as whole grains, red meat, dairy and oils is pretty much as simple as it gets. Buy organic when available, grow your own if possible, find alternatives for whole grains and ensure you have nutrient rich such as chia + flax seeds, watercress, molasses, leafy greens, berries etc and see what impact it has on your mental and physical wellbeing

what there are no peer reviewed studies that can confirm any of that

also, not all proteins are the same, in fact there are 100s of thousands of different types

animal proteins and fats are the building blocks to not only our brains but also our organs

and no, protein from vegetation is NOT the same as animal protein in any shape or form the quality is basura and you lack critical amino acids

and the idea we need only 12 is laughable

 

[AyahuascaSippin]

will look into the whole wheat claim and report back
thanks

Just look for why gluten is hard to digest, there are numerous medical reports and opinions on the difficulty and the resulting effects.

 

[AyahuascaSippin]

the thing is the bulk of why i think it's important for people to watch this has nothign to do with nutrition. Hell I, in spite of knowing the health hazards of foods, still eat certain things and i was ok with that. We all gotta die of something. What hit me was just how horrible the movie, and the science it quotes, shows agribusines is to the environment AND how potentially in bed large environmental groups like SIerra club, green peace, etc. are with agribusiness. Put it like this, my son who is 10, watched this and was able to see that.

Definite worth the time to watch

I hear you. I'm not really talking about nutrition affecting when you die, but more how you live.

 

[AyahuascaSippin]

what there are no peer reviewed studies that can confirm any of that

also, not all proteins are the same, in fact there are 100s of thousands of different types

animal proteins and fats are the building blocks to not only our brains but also our organs

and no, protein from vegetation is NOT the same as animal protein in any shape or form the quality is basura and you lack critical amino acids

and the idea we need only 12 is laughable

If you're looking for the peer reviewed studies from people that make money from giving you the drugs because of your nutrient deficieny, then you might not find much as those doctors tend to find funding hard to come by.

But there are plenty of esteemed professionals who can confirm you dont know what you're talking about.

The ideal intake is 8-12 grams a day, do you have any idea how little that is?

Secondly, you must lack critical reading skills too, as i said red meats. There's plenty of animal protein in fish and chicken. My initial post was rushed l, otherwise i would include processed meats as well. You seem to be driven by an agenda - throwing all meat into a category as if quality isnt essential.

Protein | The Nutrition Source | Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health

However, there’s growing evidence that high-protein food choices do play a role in health—and that eating healthy protein sources like fish, chicken, beans, or nuts in place of red meat (including processed red meat) can lower the risk of several diseases and premature death. (2, 4-8)

 

[MMS]

so lets go through those sources

2 - http://www.aicr.org/assets/docs/pdf/reports/Second_Expert_Report.pdf

^^^ this is a survey, more or less

4 - Major dietary protein sources and risk of coronary heart disease in women. - PubMed - NCBI
key things to note:

METHODS AND RESULTS:
We prospectively followed 84,136 women aged 30 to 55 years in the Nurses' Health Study with no known cancer, diabetes mellitus, angina, myocardial infarction, stroke, or other cardiovascular disease. Diet was assessed by a standardized and validated questionnaire and updated every 4 years. During 26 years of follow-up, we documented 2210 incident nonfatal infarctions and 952 deaths from CHD. In multivariable analyses including age, smoking, and other risk factors, higher intakes of red meat, red meat excluding processed meat, and high-fat dairy were significantly associated with elevated risk of CHD. Higher intakes of poultry, fish, and nuts were significantly associated with lower risk. In a model controlling statistically for energy intake, 1 serving per day of nuts was associated with a 30% (95% confidence interval, 17% to 42%) lower risk of CHD compared with 1 serving per day of red meat. Similarly, compared with 1 serving per day of red meat, a lower risk was associated with 1 serving per day of low-fat dairy (13%; 95% confidence interval, 6% to 19%), poultry (19%; 95% confidence interval, 3% to 33%), and fish (24%; 95% confidence interval, 6% to 39%).

CONCLUSIONS:
These data suggest that high red meat intake increases risk of CHD and that CHD risk may be reduced importantly by shifting sources of protein in the US diet.
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now im not going to go through all of your sources but can you see why this is bullshyt

so of the 84,000 women aged 30-55 years old, how accurately can you assess their "actual" diet from a questionnaire

secondly, if youre going to make a substantial conclusion about red meat...it has to be the manipulated variable and the other sources should be held constant

why is that? because each respondent has different:

1. Lifestyle choices
2. genetics
3. food preparation
4. food consumption

for these reasons, you cant simply say hey red meat is bad. You can suppose and say it might be bad. However the evidence presented is lousy

ill do one more just to show you what i mean

5 - Meat consumption and the risk of type 2 diabetes: a systematic review and meta-analysis of cohort studies. - PubMed - NCBI

METHODS:
We searched several databases for cohort studies on meat consumption and type 2 diabetes risk, up to December 2008. Summary relative risks were estimated by use of a random-effects model.

RESULTS:
We identified 12 cohort studies. The estimated summary RR and 95% confidence interval of type 2 diabetes comparing high vs low intake was 1.17 (95% CI 0.92-1.48) for total meat, 1.21 (95% CI 1.07-1.38) for red meat and 1.41 (95% CI 1.25-1.60) for processed meat. There was heterogeneity amongst the studies of total, red and processed meat which, to some degree, was explained by the study characteristics.

CONCLUSIONS/INTERPRETATION:
These results suggest that meat consumption increases the risk of type 2 diabetes. However, the possibility that residual confounding could explain this association cannot be excluded.
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this is the equivalent of taking death records and trying to make inferences from them, just to clear up what a cohort study is:

A cohort study or panel study is a form of longitudinal study (a type of observational study) used in medicine, nursing, social science, actuarial science, business analytics, and ecology.
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its important to be thorough and make not just educated decisions but decisions based on statistically valid observations. To the average person most people will not read between the lines