D.L. Hughley perpetuating the propaganda that only illegals will work low wage unskilled work

[Black Panther]

@Black Panther Peep the stats on VISA OVERSTAYS:

Illegal immigration, by the numbers: Visa violators and border crossers

The visa overstay numbers they used may not be accurate, either.

An “overstay” is a non-immigrant visitor who was admitted for a specified time but remained longer without permission. Most overstay data pertains to non-immigrant visitors who came here through the Visa Waiver Program, which allows eligible aliens from 38 countries to enter the United States as non-immigrant visitors without going through the visa process.

Although the Visa Waiver Program was established in 1986 and entries began in 1988, overstay records were not available until 2016. Moreover, entry and exit data is only collected at air- and seaports; it is not collected at land ports.

The DHS “Fiscal Year 2018 Entry/Exit Overstay Report” indicates 666,582 suspected overstay “events” in fiscal 2018. That includes 68,593 students or exchange visitors and other categories of non-immigrants who entered with visas.

The term “event” refers to the number of “expected departures,” not to the number of actual aliens who were expected to depart — and the Center for Immigration Studies claims this makes the overstay rates deceptively low.

To explain, using DHS methodology: If 10 non-immigrant visitors enter the U.S. three times each in a year, that would result in a total of 30 “expected departures.” If they all leave as required, but an additional visitor makes only one visit and overstays, the overstay rate would be 1 in 31 entries, or about 3 percent. Yet, if the overstay rate were calculated by counting people, the rate would be 1 in 11, or about 9 percent.​

From the same article, it also states:

According to the Center for Migration Studies, the number of known overstays significantly exceeded illegal border crossings from 2010 to 2017.

Visa overstays still outstrip illegal border crossings overall. :stephena1:

Illegal crossings at the southern border have been declining sharply for the past 10 years as well. (Side note to @HellRell804 : another reason why a border wall is dumb as f*ck.)

Like I said before, you're all in on sh*tting on Mexicans crossing the Southern border, but you're quiet as f*ck with Hanz, Ming Lee and Dinesh. :stephena1:

 

[HellRell804]

Because most illegals don't come through the parts where there is no barrier, they come through the ports of entry.

You've been sold the image of Mexicans flooding the southern border, but it couldn't be farther from the truth.





There's a huge difference between advocating for a steady flow of cheap labor and simply acknowledging reality. I'm doing the latter.



Read the above and weep. :bpunimpressed:

How do you even get an accurate count of illegal immigrants?

Like is there a booth where they register when they come in?

Do jobs keep detailed records of the illegal immigrants they hire and their countries of origin?

I'm thinking maybe more immigrants from other countries that come here illegally get caught perhaps because they don't have a vast network of fellow countrymen to integrate into?

I bet you felt smart posting that trash.

Lol you talking about border apprehensions are down while not even entertaining the fact that, after decades, maybe the methods of smuggling people in have become more sophisticated and effective, as things tend to do over time.

Read it and weep

 

[Black Panther]

How do you even get an accurate count of illegal immigrants?

Like is there a booth where they register when they come in?

...What are you attempting to argue?

I've already said that illegal southern border crossings have sharply declined over the past 10 years, and that the vast majority of those illegal crossings are at ports of entry.

What does that tell you about the numbers of illegal crossings that aren't at ports of entry? Wouldn't those two facts mean that illegal border crossings that aren't at ports of entry are in the minority?

You can't be this dense.

Lol you talking about border apprehensions are down while not even entertaining the fact that, after decades, maybe the methods of smuggling people in have become more sophisticated and effective, as things tend to do over time.

...Have they? :stephena1:

Or are you simply grasping at straws? :stephena1:

 

[African Peasant]

You said that if illegal immigrants are legalized, then corporations will just hire other illegal immigrants. Simple way to stop that : have the government control tightly who the corporations hire. But obviously the government doesn't want that, and from your answer you seem to believe it's either useless, or don't want it neither. Why? Because we both know that the government and corporations need taht cheap labor to rack in benefits. And they need a buffer group for other poor people to get mad at, which is what we're witnessing here and in all populist countries.

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I think we're having the same discussion again and again... So it's useless.

What do you mean by control? Do you agree that the gov. should stop corporations from hiring illegals? If that's the case, what will be the point of letting illegals coming in if they can't be hired?

If illegals are a buffer group, why are you against those advocating for the end of illegal immigration? You seem to change your position constantly.

You said that if illegal immigrants are legalized, then corporations will just hire other illegal immigrants. Simple way to stop that : have the government control tightly who the corporations hire. But obviously the government doesn't want that, and from your answer you seem to believe it's either useless, or don't want it neither. Why? Because we both know that the government and corporations need taht cheap labor to rack in benefits. And they need a buffer group for other poor people to get mad at, which is what we're witnessing here and in all populist countries.

You cannot "starve capitalism of one of its fuel" because, being backed by government, it will always find news ways of exploiting the same group, or another one. Worst comes to worst you exploit people on the other side of the Earth (it's not Hispanics who sent industry plants to South East Asia). Which I'm sure most people don't mind as ong as they get cheap t-shrts and new Iphones. Or, like I said earlier, you put even more people in prison and exploit their free labor. I'm not saying anything new, it's litterally what's been going on since the 16th century. Unless you go at the root of the issue, you're just readjusting capitalism and creating other forms of exploitation to replace the current one.

And again, I'm not in favor of "illegal" immigration, I'm in favor of people having the opportunity of moving to better their condition. Or just to escape whatever bullshyt is happening in their home country, bullshyt which is often created/sponsored/supported by western governments and corporations.

So your argument is: the gov and capitalists are too powerful, you can't starve them but don't say anything either about one of the way they are using to push you out of your job (illegal immigration)?

So poor people should be able to move to another country (because they are victims of capitalism) but poor people of the said country should not try to stop them (even though they are the ones affected by that move and are also victims of capitalism)? So there are good victims: illegals immigrants. And bad victims: poor people affected by illegal immigration.

Since you consider capitalism being a fatality (you can't starve it because it's backed by the gov. That's your point), you can support people moving out of their country (which include illegals immigration) and I don't blame you for that. It's your position and I understand why. But I think, you should have the empathy (or the decency) to not tell poor people affected by illegal immigration to stay quiet about it. The same way you understand people immigrating, the same way you should try to understand people not being about it.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

How do you even get an accurate count of illegal immigrants?

Like is there a booth where they register when they come in?

Do jobs keep detailed records of the illegal immigrants they hire and their countries of origin?

I'm thinking maybe more immigrants from other countries that come here illegally get caught perhaps because they don't have a vast network of fellow countrymen to integrate into?

I bet you felt smart posting that trash.

Lol you talking about border apprehensions are down while not even entertaining the fact that, after decades, maybe the methods of smuggling people in have become more sophisticated and effective, as things tend to do over time.

Read it and weep

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

From the same article, it also states:



Visa overstays still outstrip illegal border crossings overall. :stephena1:

Illegal crossings at the southern border have been declining sharply for the past 10 years as well. (Side note to @HellRell804 : another reason why a border wall is dumb as f*ck.)

Like I said before, you're all in on sh*tting on Mexicans crossing the Southern border, but you're quiet as f*ck with Hanz, Ming Lee and Dinesh. :stephena1:

Immigration fraud is illegal. What’s your point?

Latin America accounts for 80% of illegal immigration as a country of origin. I don’t care if they came through airports or the desert.

 

[mbewane]

I think we're having the same discussion again and again... So it's useless.

What do you mean by control? Do you agree that the gov. should stop corporations from hiring illegals? If that's the case, what will be the point of letting illegals coming in if they can't be hired?

If illegals are a buffer group, why are you against those advocating for the end of illegal immigration? You seem to change your position constantly.



So your argument is: the gov and capitalists are too powerful, you can't starve them but don't say anything either about one of the way they are using to push you out of your job (illegal immigration)?

So poor people should be able to move to another country (because they are victims of capitalism) but poor people of the said country should not try to stop them (even though they are the ones affected by that move and are also victims of capitalism)? So there are good victims: illegals immigrants. And bad victims: poor people affected by illegal immigration.

Since you consider capitalism being a fatality (you can't starve it because it's backed by the gov. That's your point), you can support people moving out of their country (which include illegals immigration) and I don't blame you for that. It's your position and I understand why. But I think, you should have the empathy (or the decency) to not tell poor people affected by illegal immigration to stay quiet about it. The same way you understand people immigrating, the same way you should try to understand people not being about it.

I'm saying the same stuff over and over again. Governments and corporations both have an interest in having illegal immigrants to exploit, because a. that's how they maximise profits and b. they use that group to divert attention from other groups. Instead of pointing the finger at those organizing the system, you point the finger at those suffering from it : diversion.

I know that Americans hate hearing this, but you should really have a look at what's been going on in other countries, namely Europe, because it's the same exact thing that has led to nationalist/populist/extreme-right governments. Same old story again and again and again and again. But I guess you wil say "Yes but the US is different because this that and the third" so

Fortunately it's not all poor people who blame other poor people for their problems. Illegal immigration is not the cause but one of many consequences of greed, capitalism, nationalism, etc. If you want to focus on a consequence fine, I find it more pertinent to focus on the cause. To each his own though

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I'm saying the same stuff over and over again. Governments and corporations both have an interest in having illegal immigrants to exploit, because a. that's how they maximise profits and b. they use that group to divert attention from other groups. Instead of pointing the finger at those organizing the system, you point the finger at those suffering from it : diversion.

I know that Americans hate hearing this, but you should really have a look at what's been going on in other countries, namely Europe, because it's the same exact thing that has led to nationalist/populist/extreme-right governments. Same old story again and again and again and again. But I guess you wil say "Yes but the US is different because this that and the third" so

Fortunately it's not all poor people who blame other poor people for their problems. Illegal immigration is not the cause but one of many consequences of greed, capitalism, nationalism, etc. If you want to focus on a consequence fine, I find it more pertinent to focus on the cause. To each his own though

no one is saying anything is a singular cause.

what we’re saying is that DL Hughley’s comments were offensive and lack an understanding of black economics and labor.

 

[Black Panther]

Immigration fraud is illegal. What’s your point?

Latin America accounts for 80% of illegal immigration as a country of origin. I don’t care if they came through airports or the desert.

...And it's at an all-time low. :stephena1:

This is like playing whack-a-mole. One argument is dismantled by a different data point. :mjlolhairfade:

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

...And it's at an all-time low. :stephena1:

This is like playing whack-a-mole. One argument is dismantled by a different data point. :mjlolhairfade:

Who cares?

And they went down under Obama but the crossings are increasing under trump!

Yes, There’s a Crisis on the Border. And It’s Trump’s Fault.

there’s millions still already here.

you’re all over the fukking place.

 

[Robbie3000]

trends and numbers don’t lie. Black people just don’t want to do those jobs.

And for good reason, they are a throwback to when blacks didn’t have a choice but to clean white people’s toilets, toil their lands, and in many cases, breastfeed and raise their little b*stards.

These jobs have always been low paying and not part of the formal economy. Y’all act like black farm hands and maids had were paid well, had W2s and filed tax returns.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

@hustlemania had to tuck his tail when I proved I was black..:camroncmon:.or he had some dishes to wash..:MichelleOsideeye:. not that theres anything wrong with that:kobeyoumad: ... I support my brother's employment :obamasuccess:... no matter how unskilled

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

trends and numbers don’t lie. Black people just don’t want to do those jobs.

And for good reason, they are a throwback to when blacks didn’t have a choice but to clean white people’s toilets, toil their lands, and in many cases, breastfeed and raise their little b*stards.

These jobs have always been low paying and not part of the formal economy. Y’all act like black farm hands and maids had were paid well, had W2s and filed tax returns.

thats not true.

they weren't being hired.

and this is actually untrue. A lot of new deal jobs excluded government aid in jobs that even black service workers used to do.

National Labor Relations Act of 1935 - Wikipedia

African Americans and the New Deal: A Look Back in History - Roosevelt Institute

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...416bba-080a-11e7-a15f-a58d4a988474_story.html

YOU BOYS DO NOT KNOW BLACK LABOR HISTORY...THIS IS PATHETIC!

 

[hustlemania]

@hustlemania had to tuck his tail when I proved I was black..:camroncmon:.or he had some dishes to wash..:MichelleOsideeye:. not that theres anything wrong with that:kobeyoumad: ... I support my brother's employment :obamasuccess:... no matter how unskilled

you stalling to take a picture(again), is all anyone needed to know you didn't prove anything..

with that being said.. unlike yourself, I actually have a life other than sh!tposting on thecoli.com for 20hrs straight..

https://www.thecoli.com/search/16958375/

you was up on here til damn near 2am.. woke up, and been right back on here all day again begging strangers for attention..

you're welcome to come to Winston-Salem, and see if I wash dishes.. but, you a puzzy & we all know this..

 

[HarlemHottie]

I'm quite relaxed, but I'll admit the rise of nationalism and xenophobia has always worried me, anywhere it happens. BUt it's interesting to see how the same exact arguments are being used by Black people and the white extreme-right in Europe.

Its not a mystery, both groups of people are being displaced. When people can't eat, they get a little antsy, as all the country-hoppers should well understand.

It's amazing to me that you have the gall to make this argument to black Americans. You really expect us to reasonably go along with economic genocide just cuz we might agree with some crackers at some point.