D Wade says “Everyone thought Pau Gasol should be FMVP” in the Lakers vs Celtics finals

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Lebron won 66 games with Mo Williams in 2009 and went 26-4 against Western Conference teams. Won 50 games in 2007 with Boobie Gibson and went 19-11 against Western Conference teams.

Kobe won 34 games in 2005, 45 games in 2006, and 42 games in 2007. Couldn't even win more games than Pau in Memphis :mjlol:

Kobe wasn't doing shyt without a HOF teammate and Phil Jackson.

I bet if I did forum search on your dumbass on why LeBron got swept in 2007, Imma find you saying LeBron had no help yet here you are bragging about him being 26-4 :mjlol: You dummies always talk out of both sides of your mouth :camby:


One, that Grizzlies team had Shane Battier, Eddie Jones, Damon Stoudemire, Bobby Jackson, etc. You had 7 dudes averaging double-digit points you little fakkit with Battier being a great defender :camby: Kobe's Lakers during that time had four dudes in double digits. Just four.


Two, you put LeBron on the 2007 Lakers, they're not doing shyt either. Who were the Lakers supposed to beat? Not Dirk's team. Not Steve Nash's team. Not Tim Duncan's team. Not Boozer/Deron Williams. Not T-Mac/Yao. Not Carmelo. You expected Kobe to beat those teams with Smush Parker and Kwame Brown? That's why you're a lying deceitful fakkit :camby:
 

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You really are a dumb person. I bet if I did a search on your username on why LeBron got swept 🧹 in 2007, I know Imma find you saying LeBron had no help yet here you are bragging about him being 26-4. You clowns always argue out of both sides of your mouth.
This is supposed to be a gotcha :russ: It's honestly quite pathetic that you're incapable of understanding something so simple. I wonder how dudes like you function on a daily basis. I'm applying the same standard to both Lebron and Kobe, dumbfukk.

Throughout NBA history, most championships are won by teams that have multiple all-NBA/HOF players. In 2007, Lebron was a 22 year old on a team without a single HOF teammate facing a dynasty in the finals. Lebron didn't have one teammate that could even be considered a top 300 player to ever play. Relatively speaking, that's the epitome of no help.

Nobody expected the 2004-2007 Lakers to win a championship but for Kobe to lead his team to less wins than a team led by Pau Gasol, miss the playoffs in his prime, flame out in the first round repeatedly (including a blown 3-1 lead to an Amare-less Suns team) proves that he wasn't a force of nature capable of willing teams to contention on his own. He needed Phil and a balanced team with another superstar/all-star to be relevant.

When both Lebron and Kobe were on teams without HOFers, Lebron was able to win 60+ games and go to the finals while prime Kobe was barely making the playoffs and incapable of winning a single playoff series.
One, that Grizzlies team had Shane Battier, Eddie Jones, Damon Stoudemire, Bobby Jackson, etc. You had 7 dudes averaging double-digit points you little fakkit with Battier being a great defender :camby: Kobe's Lakers during that time had four dudes in double digits. Just four.
Now go look at how many the 2007-2010 Cavs had dumbass :mjlol:
 

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Kobe was incapable of winning a single playoff series without another all-star and Phil:yeshrug:

Baby Kyrie was a top 5 player? :russ:

LeBron never won a single ring without another superstar.

(Gasol)

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Imagine your "help" having a 40-point night :russ: and multiple 30-point nights :russ:

There's no world where Pau is scoring 40 points on 70 percent in the Finals :russ:

(Kyrie)

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LeBron never won a single ring without another superstar.
Imagine your "help" having a 40-point night :russ: and multiple 30-point nights :russ:

There's no world where Pau is scoring 40 points on 70 percent in the Finals :russ:
Kobe won a ring averaging 15 PPG on 36 FG% in the finals :unimpressed:

Pau averaged more PPG in both the 2009 and 2010 playoffs than Wade and Bosh did in the 2013 playoffs :unimpressed:
 

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This is supposed to be a gotcha :russ: It's honestly quite pathetic that you're incapable of understanding something so simple. I wonder how dudes like you function on a daily basis. I'm applying the same standard to both Lebron and Kobe, dumbfukk.

Throughout NBA history, most championships are won by teams that have multiple all-NBA/HOF players. In 2007, Lebron was a 22 year old on a team without a single HOF teammate facing a dynasty in the finals. Lebron didn't have one teammate that could even be considered a top 300 player to ever play. Relatively speaking, that's the epitome of no help.

Nobody expected the 2004-2007 Lakers to win a championship but for Kobe to lead his team to less wins than a team led by Pau Gasol, miss the playoffs in his prime, flame out in the first round repeatedly (including a blown 3-1 lead to an Amare-less Suns team) proves that he wasn't a force of nature capable of willing teams to contention on his own. He needed Phil and a balanced team with another superstar/all-star to be relevant.

When both Lebron and Kobe were on teams without HOFers, Lebron was able to win 60+ games and go to the finals while prime Kobe was barely making the playoffs and incapable of winning a single playoff series.

Now go look at how many the 2007-2010 Cavs had dumbass :mjlol:

Right back at you fakkit :camby: The easiest answer is that Kobe had a more difficult time in the West but you refuse to have common sense. Eastern Conference teams play Western Conference teams maybe twice a year. Western Conference teams play each other four times a year. Ergo, Kobe had to play very strong teams for most of the season with no help whereas LeBron got to play easier teams on his side. Even as shytty as the 2006 Lakers were, they would be the fifth-ranked team if they were an Eastern team :mjlol: and Kobe probably would've won more games over there and got higher. That's how garbage the East was :camby:

  1. Detroit Pistons (64–18) (clinched Central division)
  2. Miami Heat (52–30) (clinched Southeast division)
  3. New Jersey Nets (49–33) (clinched Atlantic division)
  4. Cleveland Cavaliers (50–32)
  5. Washington Wizards (42–40)
  6. Indiana Pacers (41–41, 2–2 head-to-head vs. CHI, 6–10 record vs. Central Division)
  7. Chicago Bulls (41–41, 2–2 head-to-head vs. IND, 4–12 record vs. Central Division)
  8. Milwaukee Bucks (40–42)
Los Angeles Lakers (45–37)

And you keep bringing up Pau and the Grizzlies. Their entire starting unit plus two bench players were scoring 10+ points. That's team ball. Kobe had to average 35 points a game to give his team a chance :camby:

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Right back at you fakkit :camby: The easiest answer is that Kobe had a more difficult time in the West but you refuse to have common sense. Eastern Conference teams play Western Conference teams maybe twice a year. Western Conference teams play each other four times a year. Ergo, Kobe had to play very strong teams for most of the season with no help whereas LeBron got to play easier teams on his side. Even as shytty as the 2006 Lakers were, they would be the fifth-ranked team if they were an Eastern team :mjlol: and Kobe probably would've won more games over there and got higher. That's how garbage the East was :camby:

  1. Detroit Pistons (64–18) (clinched Central division)
  2. Miami Heat (52–30) (clinched Southeast division)
  3. New Jersey Nets (49–33) (clinched Atlantic division)
  4. Cleveland Cavaliers (50–32)
  5. Washington Wizards (42–40)
  6. Indiana Pacers (41–41, 2–2 head-to-head vs. CHI, 6–10 record vs. Central Division)
  7. Chicago Bulls (41–41, 2–2 head-to-head vs. IND, 4–12 record vs. Central Division)
  8. Milwaukee Bucks (40–42)
Los Angeles Lakers (45–37)

And you keep bringing up Pau and the Grizzlies. Their entire starting unit plus two bench players were scoring 10+ points. That's team ball. Kobe had to average 35 points a game to give his team a chance :camby:

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Kobe and Phil had Smush averaging 11ppg :wow:

LO only being able to muster up 15ppg :unimpressed:


Pau had the 6moy, another player who got 6moy votes, and two players who got dpoy votes
 

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Right back at you fakkit :camby: The easiest answer is that Kobe had a more difficult time in the West but you refuse to have common sense. Eastern Conference teams play Western Conference teams maybe twice a year. Western Conference teams play each other four times a year. Ergo, Kobe had to play extremely strong teams for most of the season with minimal help whereas LeBron got to play easier teams on his side. Even as shytty as the 2006 Lakers were, they would be the fifth-ranked team if they were an
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2007 Cavs: 19-11 against West, 31-21 against East
2009 Cavs: 26-4 against West, 40-12 against East
2010 Cavs: 23-7 against West, 38-14 against East

2005 Lakers: 13-17 against East, 21-31 against West
2006 Lakers: 18-12 against East, 27-25 against West
2007 Lakers: 14-16 against East, 28-24 against West


Lebron had a better win percentage against Western Conference teams in each of those seasons. That's a 90 game sample size of those Cavs teams performing better against the West than they did against the East.
 

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Kobe stans, I don't know if y'all claim him, but @Ozymandeas is getting cooked in this thread something serious. Y'all just gonna let him bleed out in here like that?

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Ozy’s cool. At least he uses numbers and tries to argue logically. That Somali fakkit @10bandz would just say he heard from his plugged in elementary gym teacher Lebron dosed his sons Gatorade with Rohypnol.
 

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Mister terrific has thoroughly exposed himself as a Zionist defending, racist white supremacist twitter posting weirdo all over the Israel Iran thread and had the audacity to show up here like I’m the only one who has noticed this. Not to mention he had to move to Japan cuz he couldn’t get p*ssy here in America. And of course Gil dapped him :unimpressed:
 
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