DACA - DREAM ACT - Immigration Reform Thread

[GetInTheTruck]

"Greater atzlan" here we come.

We don't need immigration reform. We need to follow the laws we already have.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

These people are already here. It's not like we are importing a new group from Mexico.

I dont get this logic. Obviously these people take into account the risk of coming here illegally, so what's so wrong about sending them back? "They are already here" isn't an argument for letting illegals stay.

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[TRUEST]

you said that even though most illegals are mexican and it may hurt some african americans, we should legalize 11 million people because some black people from the caribbean and africa and obama's family members might benefit from it, did i miss something?

awwww u were doing so good until the end. see i dont want u to think i'm being hard on u for being a retard. i really am not. im sure there were reasons in ur upbringing that contributed to you being slow. my job is not to put that on frontstreet. but while ur mental retardation is clearly evident, ur behavioral disposition deserves harsh rebuke nevertheless. so here it comes.

yes, obama should give the illegal papers because it isn't going to benefit only the mexicans. its going to benefit everyone of every race. a lot of people get here by crossing the border, overstaying visas, using someone elses papers, etc.

obama realizes the importance giving these people papers because unlike other presidents before him, he has close family members from other countries. he's has a more intimate knowledge of the situation than someone who can actually refer to immigrants as "those people" because in reality, to them, "immigrants" are in deed foreigners. people they cant relate to.

black people have been suffering in this country for years and a bunch of immigrants getting papers and doing work that blacks wasn't doing before, aint gon make it any worse. stop playing victim. be a man.well, try to be as much of a man as u can be. i know it may not be easy. but give it a shot.

now, sit down young man. and try to construct your response with the most intelligence u can muster, and i will be glad to liven ur day with more wisdom.

 

[theworldismine13]

awwww u were doing so good until the end. see i dont want u to think i'm being hard on u for being a retard. i really am not. im sure there were reasons in ur upbringing that contributed to you being slow. my job is not to put that on frontstreet. but while ur mental retardation is clearly evident, ur behavioral disposition deserves harsh rebuke nevertheless. so here it comes.

yes, obama should give the illegal papers because it isn't going to benefit only the mexicans. its going to benefit everyone of every race. a lot of people get here by crossing the border, overstaying visas, using someone elses papers, etc.

obama realizes the importance giving these people papers because unlike other presidents before him, he has close family members from other countries. he's has a more intimate knowledge of the situation than someone who can actually refer to immigrants as "those people" because in reality, to them, "immigrants" are in deed foreigners. people they cant relate to.

black people have been suffering in this country for years and a bunch of immigrants getting papers and doing work that blacks wasn't doing before, aint gon make it any worse. stop playing victim. be a man.well, try to be as much of a man as u can be. i know it may not be easy. but give it a shot.

now, sit down young man. and try to construct your response with the most intelligence u can muster, and i will be glad to liven ur day with more wisdom.

again, im slow, what is it that i got wrong about what you said? i understand what you are saying and im saying you sound pathetic, black people will receive minimal benefit from immigration reform, all you are doing is hand waving

 

[TRUEST]

again, im slow, what is it that i got wrong about what you said? i understand what you are saying and im saying you sound pathetic, black people will receive minimal benefit from immigration reform, all you are doing is hand waving

since you're slow, by saying pathetic, i imagine u must mean that i'm magnetic. how that would fit into what i said in the original thread is baffling to me. but maybe it is the monolithic sapience emitting from my words that drew u in the first place. maybe ur a secret admirer. maybe ur just a homosexual. whatever it is, u need to come to terms with that. think ur arguments through, then try again.

and no, u still dont understand what i'm saying. you're a moron. i mean, the first step to knowing ur a moron is if there's a tingling sensation in ur head convincing u that u actually stand a chance against me in an argument.

 

[theworldismine13]

since you're slow, by saying pathetic, i imagine u must mean that i'm magnetic. how that would fit into what i said in the original thread is baffling to me. but maybe it is the monolithic sapience emitting from my words that drew u in the first place. maybe ur a secret admirer. maybe ur just a homosexual. whatever it is, u need to come to terms with that. think ur arguments through, then try again.

and no, u still dont understand what i'm saying. you're a moron. i mean, the first step to knowing ur a moron is if there's a tingling sensation in ur head convincing u that u actually stand a chance against me in an argument.

one of us is definitely a moron, you keep saying i dont understand what you are saying but you have yet to explain what it is i got wrong about what you said

 

[TRUEST]

one of us is definitely a moron, you keep saying i dont understand what you are saying but you have yet to explain what it is i got wrong about what you said

one of us? i think u know u are the moron. and then u have the audacity to say i sound pathetic? lol. do u even know the meaning of the word pathetic?

folks out here (yes, including ur dumbass), are thinking all illegal immigrants are mexican. i opened ur eyes and showed u that isn't the case. mexicans only get the most news because they're right next to us and the manner in which they get in the country is brazenly intrusive....which doesn't sit well with racist white people.

ur conjuring up concerns where there are none and by doing so, u not only make urself look stupid, u also spread falsehood through the willful ignorance u display and the philistine objection to correction from those greater than you.

 

[theworldismine13]

one of us? i think u know u are the moron. and then u have the audacity to say i sound pathetic? lol. do u even know the meaning of the word pathetic?

folks out here (yes, including ur dumbass), are thinking all illegal immigrants are mexican. i opened ur eyes and showed u that isn't the case. mexicans only get the most news because they're right next to us and the manner in which they get in the country is brazenly intrusive....which doesn't sit well with racist white people.

ur conjuring up concerns where there are none and by doing so, u not only make urself look stupid, u also spread falsehood through the willful ignorance u display and the philistine objection to correction from those greater than you.

i understand that you think im a moron, thats fine, you are entitled to your opinion, but you said that i misunderstood what you were saying or that i had misinterpreted you, you still havent explained what it was i didnt understand about your original post

you already mentioned in your original post that illegal immigrants were more than mexicans, i understand that and i never disputed that, so again what is it that you are saying that i misunderstood

i understand your argument that some non mexicans will benefit, i just think its a pathetic argument, but there is nothing that you are saying that i misrepresented or dont understand

 

[IrishBrother]

I dont get this logic. Obviously these people take into account the risk of coming here illegally, so what's so wrong about sending them back? "They are already here" isn't an argument for letting illegals stay.

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Amnesties always lead to more illegal immigration, as millions more people will be encouraged to come to the states in the expectation that eventually they, too, will be rewarded. America granted what was supposed to be a one-time-only amnesty to some 3 million illegal aliens in 1986, only to find that today they have been replaced by an estimated 9-11 million new illegal aliens. Amnesty doesn't cure the problem; it encourages it.

 

[GoPro]

one of us? i think u know u are the moron. and then u have the audacity to say i sound pathetic? lol. do u even know the meaning of the word pathetic?

folks out here (yes, including ur dumbass), are thinking all illegal immigrants are mexican. i opened ur eyes and showed u that isn't the case. mexicans only get the most news because they're right next to us and the manner in which they get in the country is brazenly intrusive....which doesn't sit well with racist white people.

ur conjuring up concerns where there are none and by doing so, u not only make urself look stupid, u also spread falsehood through the willful ignorance u display and the philistine objection to correction from those greater than you.

You like to feel superior don't you? Cause from the outside it looks like twism grasped your post to the letter. Fact is, this IS going to negatively affect minimum wage workers. Having 11 million more in competition with a new wave of illegals (since the borders are still wide open) to take their place is going to be disastrous.

 

[CASHAPP]

Amnesties always lead to more illegal immigration, as millions more people will be encouraged to come to the states in the expectation that eventually they, too, will be rewarded. America granted what was supposed to be a one-time-only amnesty to some 3 million illegal aliens in 1986, only to find that today they have been replaced by an estimated 9-11 million new illegal aliens. Amnesty doesn't cure the problem; it encourages it.

Are people gonna keep bringing up 1986? You do know that today the net migration around the Mexico border(as an example) is around net zero right? Especially when obviously more people would WANT to leave because of the huge drug cartel problems....but cannot.

I really don't know how long people are gonna go with this 1986 example. The security has vastly improved.

And another thing that people seem to forget....its not just the Dream Act.....They are talking about comprehensive immigration reform being attached to the dream act.

 

[CASHAPP]

well here's the problem. obama understands fully well that this immigration thing doesn't just apply to mexicans. mexicans are only synonymous to immigration because they're next door to us.

however there are other groups from other countries all over the world. the africans, islanders, etc.

when obama gives these "illegal" immigrants papers, he isn't just doing it for mexicans. he's doing it for everyone. and considering obama isn't really an African American, he's a Kenyan American. he's well aware of some of his family members that are here in the states, hiding in the shadows because they lack papers.

yea, it will cause problems for some african americans. but there are good number of other blacks from other countries that will be giving the chance to live a fear-free life in the land filled with milk and honey.

I'm convinced alot of people have this mindset that every one of these "illegals" that are getting papers......are middle aged mexicans . Its like they don't even realize that a vast majority are their peers on campus and in their schools.

The nerve and ungratefulness of some of these people. Who do they think are alot of the people tutoring them in student centers and math centers at their schools?

Its the right thing to do but even today you still got ignorant fools speaking with the mouth of Mitt Romney acting like we are giving out "gifts". Watch how surprised they get when they realize its gonna be the opposite of what they actually expect and vastly improve the economy.

Especially if Obama is smart enough to kill two birds with one stone back to back by passing some significant reform on the student loans debt problem, something Latinos have usually had the biggest problems with. Freeing all that stress/debt with student loan reform AND the dream act back to back would put more in students pocket to save so the economy can start building again and they can buy the things they want to after graduating.

 

[IrishBrother]

Are people gonna keep bringing up 1986? You do know that today the net migration around the Mexico border(as an example) is around net zero right? Especially when obviously more people would WANT to leave because of the huge drug cartel problems....but cannot.

I really don't know how long people are gonna go with this 1986 example. The security has vastly improved.

And another thing that people seem to forget....its not just the Dream Act.....They are talking about comprehensive immigration reform being attached to the dream act.

you can walk into america from canada through maine. i did it myself and left the same way two weeks later. got offered a job in boston but fook that illegal immigrant life. its better here anyway.

that simple, bro. more chance of getting caught by a bear than border patrol.

i was an illegal tourist for two weeks.

but i digress, as an immigrant, i believe immigrants must adhere to the host nations laws,visa procedures and customs. not break them.

 

[theworldismine13]

Are people gonna keep bringing up 1986? You do know that today the net migration around the Mexico border(as an example) is around net zero right? Especially when obviously more people would WANT to leave because of the huge drug cartel problems....but cannot.

I really don't know how long people are gonna go with this 1986 example. The security has vastly improved.

And another thing that people seem to forget....its not just the Dream Act.....They are talking about comprehensive immigration reform being attached to the dream act.

there are a lot of reason's its net zero but including the fact that amnesty did not look likely, but if they pass amnesty then people will know that if they sneak in the next day and stay for 20 years they will get amnesty in 2030

and also the other issue is that amnesty causes chain migration, if the 11 million become citizens they can bring other people with their families, that is how hispanics became the largest minority, and that was with just 3 million people, imagine what happens when you legalize 11 million

 

[IrishBrother]

Are people gonna keep bringing up 1986? You do know that today the net migration around the Mexico border(as an example) is around net zero right? Especially when obviously more people would WANT to leave because of the huge drug cartel problems....but cannot.

I really don't know how long people are gonna go with this 1986 example. The security has vastly improved.

And another thing that people seem to forget....its not just the Dream Act.....They are talking about comprehensive immigration reform being attached to the dream act.

denmark saved billions by paying illegals to go home.



il just leave this here; http://voices.yahoo.com/the-hypocrisy-mexicos-immigration-laws-6653074.html

To legally immigrate to Mexico you must first demonstrate that you speak fluent Spanish and have a trade or skill that is in demand. Unskilled laborers are never allowed to immigrate to Mexico. Fluency in the local language is waived only for investors. To be fair, such requirements are typical for most nations.

As a foreign born citizen legally living in Mexico, you may never: receive any public assistance, hold any elected or public office (Federal, State and local), participate in any public protest or strike and own any waterfront property. Serving as a member of the clergy or as crews of Mexican-flagged ships or air planes are also prohibited. Certain legal rights are waived for foreign born residents of Mexico, including the right to a deportation hearing or other legal motions.

If you are in Mexico illegally, your life is much less "complicated". Illegal aliens are simply jailed and deported - no hearings, no petitions, nothing. The fate is the same for women that give birth in Mexico. Once deported, re-entering Mexico illegally will earn you a trip to prison for 10 years! Amnesty International has issued reports claiming illegal immigrants in Mexico, typically from Central America - its southern border, most often face abuse, rape, kidnappings and death, and that Mexican police do little to stop it.

Hellish as all that sounds, hundreds of thousands of persons from Central America make the 1,600 mile long trek north through Mexico by foot and by smuggling themselves inside or on top of rail cars. Suffice to say, many more Central Americans die on that journey than do Mexicans crossing into Arizona. Unlike the illegal immigrants entering the U.S. southern boarder, Mexico's illegal immigrants do not intend to make Mexico their final destination. Their aspiration is the same as those of the Mexicans citizens, to enter the U.S. by whatever means possible. Clearly, President Calderon believes such an opportunity should be reserved only for Mexican citizens, not some lowly illegal alien from Central America. Why? Money, and a lot of it!

Immigrants throughout the world, both legal and illegal, send a large percentage of their income back to their home countries via remittances. Remittances, Mexico's No. 2 source of foreign income after oil exports, totaled over $25 billion in 2008 from its citizens working legally and illegally in the U.S. Apparently President Calderon, a self-described devout Catholic, sees no shame or hypocrisy in denying that opportunity to its far poorer neighbors on its own southern boarder.