Dame Dash Slams Kanye For Being Disloyal

[The Devil's Advocate]

The one thing that is 100% true is that Kanye did Dame dirty.

I understand why Ye did it, it was the right career choice in the music business, but it was still a bit foul in my book.

This is why you never mix business and friendship. It's why black labels always get dissed. Calling each other family and brothers and "for life" then turn around and make a business choice and cut the nikka off

Either be friends or be about business. Jimmy iovine ain't talking bout we family. shyt if you ain't moving records, good luck getting a meeting

 

[ThaRealness]

No. James Murdoch. The fact that underground kids were about Rawkus is hilarious to me because the son of a billionaire that owns 20th Century Fox and The Wall Street Journal paid for it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Murdoch_(media_executive)

To his credit El-p was one of the first cats to call Rawkus out for shytting on and stealing money from, their artists.

Fred.

That's interesting. All I know is Rawkus put out some hot shyt back in the day. I guess there's a kind of snobbery associated with that scene, but the music speaks for itsself

 

[GunRanger]

Soul Plane? He had a tiny but funny part in 40 Year Old Virgin. I'm sure Soul Plane was before that but maybe my memory is wrong.

On Dame, I'm sick of this dude always blaming other people for things. Why would Ye go visit Biggs kids? And what was Biggs dumb ass moving ki's of weed for anyway dumb shyt when you're already a millionaire of legal hustles.

Soul Plane was '04; Virgin was '04. That's when his name got out there. Soul Plane was really popular, but for the wrong reasons

 

[No_bammer_weed]

All the pieces had to come together. No star came to be w/o help or looks along the way.

But the fact they were signed is reflective of their talent. They weren't given handouts because cats like Dre n Biggs felt sorry for them. They recognized their potential, and had they not done so somebody else surely would . All im arguing is this idea that Ye would have remained a no name had he gone the rawkus route, instead of holding out for a big label like the Roc. That's ridiculous. Look at a cat like Hi Tec, who was mr. underground producer for years, and eventually got a shot with Aftermath. Had he kept making hot ass beats, he'd be a star but he didn't make it happen for whatever reason. Sooner rather than later em n ye would have gotten their shot at superstardom, and it would have been game over. Em and Ye weren't some fly by night cats....they were driven and ungodly talented, and the crème often rises to the top at some point.

Ye made biggs a lot of money as per their business arraignment, and he doesn't owe them sht.

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

This is why you never mix business and friendship. It's why black labels always get dissed. Calling each other family and brothers and "for life" then turn around and make a business choice and cut the nikka off

Either be friends or be about business. Jimmy iovine ain't talking bout we family. shyt if you ain't moving records, good luck getting a meeting

Life isn't black and white like that.

While I don't talk 'family' shyt nor are we even friends at this point, the person who was my mentor in my profession, I still acknowledge and respect him. He helped me get where I am at today.

He doesn't owe Dame money or some type of free video cameo. Dame should not get treated like the Ebola virus.

 

[hex]

That's interesting. All I know is Rawkus put out some hot shyt back in the day. I guess there's a certain snobbery that's associated with that scene, but the music speaks for itsself

Oh, definitely. But my point was praise the artists though, not the label.

Fred.

 

[Wacky D]

This is all a bunch of hypothetical bullsht...." they would not have done this...they wouldnt not have done that" type sht. Yeah, ok. The fact that their careers were so successful doesn't agree with you. If you think its all some sort of accident that they became the biggest stars in rap, and niccas like "biggs" are the real reason why they became international superstars for well over a decade, and are still as hot as when they first blew, then be my guest and keep on believing that sht. It doesn't change a thing on how everything eventually played out.

theres nothing hypothetical about it if you have an understanding of the rap game, particularly back then.

nobody said their success was accidental. but success comes from a combination of alot of things.

do you know how many rappers put them to shame that dont have a dime to show for it? and vice-versa.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Of course I have. That being said, this wasn't some geo-political power move. This was a guy trying to make money on the side. He's a guy from the hood. He should have just been content. Rich guys getting involved in drugs is always dumb too. At some point you pull out.


He didn't. Hart blew up because of his comedy act, and 40 Year Old Virgin. He can't take credit for that.

He was in paper soldiers years before those. In a lead role at that. How many unknown comics are given lead roles in movies

 

[SAJ!!]

I don't know what's worse:

1. People always claiming a rapper that blew up, would've blew up "regardless", which is the silliest shyt ever. That's like every time a minor rapper dies "he was on the verge of taking the rap game over!".

2. People praising Rawkus. Man, fukk Rawkus. It was a pseudo-indie pet project of Rupert Murdoch's son that gave us a handful of good material before it imploded and turned into a plan ol regular record label fukking it's artists. The only lasting legacy that label has is creating the archetypical annoying underground rap fan.

Fred.

Dap and Rep!!!!

 

[jilla82]

How about not pretend like the guy never existed?

how do you figure he does that?

I mean...what do you want him to do..make a public statement about Dame?
In that Breakfast Club interview he stated why he went w/ Dame.

Dame made money off of Kanye...why does Ye owe him anything now?

 

[No_bammer_weed]

theres nothing hypothetical about it if you have an understanding of the rap game, particularly back then.

nobody said their success was accidental. but success comes from a combination of alot of things.

do you know how many rappers put them to shame that dont have a dime to show for it? and vice-versa.

Its is hypothetical because you're dealing in woulda, coulda, shoulda, type talk. Im talkin facts.

And I figured this was all because you don't like Kanye, and you're convinced ye only blew cause he got lucky with the Roc co-sign, and there were a million niccas who were way tighter supposedly....yak, yak. You're welcome to have your opinion, but not your own set of facts.

You'd have a point if 'Ye's career had died out along with the Roc, but he became a much bigger superstar after his chipmunk sample/Roc days. He completely re-invented himself. Cats like Beanie, Free, Bleek, Young Gunz, and especially Just were all either as big, or bigger than he was around the same time, and they've all been milk carton status for a minute. A co-sign can only do so much. Fukk outta here with all this Roc made him talk...its complete nonsense.

 

[Ku$h Parker]

I don't know what's worse:

1. People always claiming a rapper that blew up, would've blew up "regardless", which is the silliest shyt ever. That's like every time a minor rapper dies "he was on the verge of taking the rap game over!".

2. People praising Rawkus. Man, fukk Rawkus. It was a pseudo-indie pet project of Rupert Murdoch's son that gave us a handful of good material before it imploded and turned into a plan ol regular record label fukking it's artists. The only lasting legacy that label has is creating the archetypical annoying underground rap fan.

Fred.

Soundbombing Series was that shyt tho

 

[Wacky D]

Its is hypothetical because you're dealing in woulda, coulda, shoulda, type talk. Im talkin facts.

And I figured this was all because you don't like Kanye, and you're convinced ye only blew cause he got lucky with the Roc co-sign, and there were a million niccas who were way tighter supposedly....yak, yak. You're welcome to have your opinion, but not your own set of facts.

You'd have a point if 'Ye's career had died out along with the Roc, but he became a much bigger superstar after his chipmunk sample/Roc days. He completely re-invented himself. Cats like Beanie, Free, Bleek, Young Gunz, and especially Just were all either as big, or bigger than he was around the same time, and they've all been milk carton status for a minute. A co-sign can only do so much. Fukk outta here with all this Roc made him talk...its complete nonsense.

no you just dont get it. and it sounds like youre not really a rap guy. and thats cool, but if you know you arent.......

and youre not talking facts. youre talking fantasy.

its not about me liking or not liking anybody. the same thing goes for whoever.

those SP artists that youre mentioning were not as big as kanye. lol. kanye was a crossover artist before his 1st album even dropped.

those artists are milk carton status to whom? people who arent really into rap like that? thanks for proving my initial statement true.

 

[FeloniousMonk]

lets be reality. in the early 2000's, dude was destined to blow with or without the roc simply because of all the quality production he was putting out. He was gonna release his own album just off that alone. and we all know he had plenty of hot beats back then.

You DO know this dude was trying to get on as a rapper YEARS before being notorized as a producer?

Even when he was PRODUCING, he was telling cats he was a rapper...they was like eehhh..

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

But the fact they were signed is reflective of their talent. They weren't given handouts because cats like Dre n Biggs felt sorry for them. They recognized their potential, and had they not done so somebody else surely would . All im arguing is this idea that Ye would have remained a no name had he gone the rawkus route, instead of holding out for a big label like the Roc. That's ridiculous. Look at a cat like Hi Tec, who was mr. underground producer for years, and eventually got a shot with Aftermath. Had he kept making hot ass beats, he'd be a star but he didn't make it happen for whatever reason. Sooner rather than later em n ye would have gotten their shot at superstardom, and it would have been game over. Em and Ye weren't some fly by night cats....they were driven and ungodly talented, and the crème often rises to the top at some point.

Ye made biggs a lot of money as per their business arraignment, and he doesn't owe them sht.

A lot of worthless acts get signed. Rocafella signed Amil Em and Proof were low key the only dudes out of D12 worth talking about

I think Ye and Em had what it took to make the most out of an opportunity. But I bet there are plenty of Ems and Yes all over the country right now that nobody knows about because they never got the look. Nobody reached superstardom level w/o a look.