Damn, did Young Thug just take the biggest HipHop L of 2025

[T.H.E. Goat]

Now I see why he got so fat in there, all he was doing was eating and talking on the phone

 

[MicIsGod]

That new baby and thug is crack.

 

[CrimsonTider]

Offset seems blackballed due to the dice game thing it seems? Hence him working with Gunna? They need to do a joint project

Gunna doesn’t need offset

offset doesnt Have fans, he has celebrity

 

[papa pimp]

That new baby and thug is crack.

this?

 

[papa pimp]

we will see but i dont think that song is going to get the job done.

 

[Fani Willis fan]

this?

That shyt just aight
Thug can't stop projecting. He gotta pick a different topic because rapping about about who telling is not gonna get it done.
Hypocrite raps

 

[papa pimp]

That shyt just aight
Thug can't stop projecting. He gotta pick a different topic because rapping about about who telling is not gonna get it done.
Hypocrite raps

yeah its not really a diss record.

its like baby and thug are trying to give us the backstory on why they dont rock with each person and hope we "understand."

if gunna drops another "bread and butter" pointing out the hypocrisy tho...

 

[murksiderock]

From a literal sense, I don't think any of this is snitching because it can't be used to build a case on anyone, can't be used in court in a separate matter and doesn't implicate anyone that can be charged in the future.

It is cooperating well law enforcement though, at various levels. A lot of "street nikkas" will do the same thing though, the rap shyt and celebrity adds a unique dynamic to this situation but dudes take pleas everyday. Unless a cooperation agreement is apart of the plea, what does it matter? YT seems like he's trying to troll the police in the interview but isn't bright enough to pull it off- I've seen lots of guys break and tell everything and that's clearly not what he intended to do there.

All these guys fumbled an opportunity, except maybe Gunna. This street shyt is truly a poison.

@re'up touched on this upthread, I know I have in the past, but social media era has b*stardized street politics. Case in point, the amount of people that simply believe taking a plea is snitching.

That's not a standard that ever came out of anybody's trenches, anywhere. That's an internet created "street rule".

Now, the terms of one's plea could be considered snitching, not generally so, but could be. But this thread, many others, and across the internet and social media, recent years have shown that there are people who think taking a plea is snitching.

There are people who believe that TI doing the Crimestoppers commercial is snitching, and I remember that case in real time. I was locked up then, TI was a Top 5 rapper at the time so his shyt was huge publicity, and it was a major topic of conversation on the inside. I remember it in real time in the lifestyle, people questioned other shyt, like how he got off with the short bid he got, with all the guns he got caught with.

I can't remember a single person saying that him doing the Crimestoppers thing was him snitching. And that was part of his plea agreement, to be an advocate against crime. Nobody said it was snitching, but years on here have shown me that plenty of people do.

To me, its another internet created "street rule", not an actual standard that people held outside.

So when I lament the b*stardization of street politics from the 2010s onward---basically the simultaneous marriage of the explosion of social media, Chicago drill and its influence, in the early 2010s; I feel like I watched how people who had no business speaking on shyt, have an opinion, and be wrong in the historical sense, but their behaviors took flight and created a blurred imagery of what being "in the streets" is really like.

This isn't limited to fans and regular people like you and me. Rappers and rap in general blurred these lines like a motherfukker, just all jinds of behaviors and opinions that weren't commonplace or understood terms of engagement. I'm using the above as examples but I have plenty of other examples.

There was always snitches and always people who would cape for snitches, depending on who the snitch was.....but the understood definition of what was considered snitching, was never, ever this complicated or disagreed upon. The people who stood up for snitches understood they were defending a rat and rat behavior and were peepared to deal with what came with that, it wasn't all this hypocritical rationalizing going on.

There have been multiple things pointed out in this thread about Thug: him talking to the police about Roscoe; him saying "I'll tell you anything but don't tell the world"; him telling the police that he gave Duke the hammer to go hit somebody;

All are examples of what is traditionally considered snitching. Again, guys like Thug have always existed, there just never was this much tap dancing around what he was doing, is considered.

At a basic level why would anyone want to commit a crime with thug after this. i was under the impression you not supposed to say shyt to the police under interrogation except two words

law-yer

@murksiderock thoughts?


edit: i dont like gunna either i think they both lookin funny in the light this aint a pickin sides thing

Talking to investigators has always happened; implicating others in crimes has ALWAYS been considered a violation. There was no dancing around that.

If the police are hot on you, they'd contact you, or bring you in, you'd have their number, they'd have yours. If you go in, they are always digging for info, whether they know it or not (and oftentimes they don't know shyt until people say too much).

If you choose to incriminate yourself, that's a personal choice, nikkas will call you a dumb ass but cats not violating or upset because you tell on yourself.

If you "spin them" with lies and bullshyt, okay, that happens, dudes make up shyt. Police don't always leave you alone if you tell them you not talking, and sometimes you choose to have a conversation, to feel out what they got on you.

Everybody knows that you don't implicate other people in criminal activity. If you do, fine, always been those types of nikkas, but the word for that is SNITCH. If you implicate other people in criminal activity, you're snitching.

If you are asked about someone else's involvement, the accepted answer was always "I don't know". Doesn't matter how they pressing you or threatening you, doesn't matter what they telling you somebody else said ("they" saying ____ did it), you don't take the bait and implicate someone else.

I could very easily personalize my own experiences with law enforcement, interrogations, all of it, from crimes that could've put me away forever, to crimes that weren't that heavy, to several in between.

Gunna was a snitch before the YSL situation, the caping for him is humorous. This guy is and was a known and admitted, but accepted, snitch. So guys sticking they nevks out for him is crazy but, he is a dope artist, and I'm happy for his success.

Juan didn’t snitch it was Desiree who became his wife. Everyone went legit, she’s a woman, and she didn’t tell on their dealings it was cartel shyt not street level shyt so I guess it was overlooked.

He’s not overtly mentioned but in Empire State of Mind, Jay raps about the McDonald’s on Broadway where he would meet Juan to cop. 560 State Street days before he blew up whoever said they met in 1997 is wrong.

Appreciate the education!

 

[Ineedmoney504]

Most the people who lead the team, aren't the most ruthless guys in the click. The leaders are typically the most charismatic, loud, attention seeking, and manipulative. They may be violent too but very rarely are they the most violent; majority of the time, thats not really how you become the "leader"...

That said, to my understanding Thug got his hands dirty on his way up. Well over a decade-plus ago at the height of his gay baiting it was always said that Thug was really from the field. Ralo just talking, Thug probably was never the cold blooded type the way some people around him were, but plenty of people have said he was in the streets...

Which just highlights how weak and stupid these other nikkas gotta be, to march to the drum of a man like this. It happensz but I'm telling you, solid individuals can see funny shyt on nikkas and steer clear of em.

My memory is failing me but I feel like 21 got his card pulled a few times years ago, I think in that 22 Savage situation and I think with someone else too. I dont know if he ever snitched or not, but I'm pretty sure it was already shown years ago he ain't no tough guy. He'll bust something like a lot of nikkas will/would but he ain't no from the soul real tough guy.

I ain't up on the Jay/Juan shyt. I'm a Hov stan, what songs did he mention Juan in, i guess I just never noticed. My guess would be that Hov couldn't have known Juan was a snitch when he was copping from him (because that would endanger Hov), and then once he transitioned out the streets and whenever he found out about Juan and Desiree being rats, he probably rationalized that they not doing "street shyt" or drug business anymore, so why apply street standards to the reality now?

I mean this would be my guess or my rationale if I worked with someone who was a confirmed rat, but you know what, one of the best things Jay does, is he don't be running around explaining his moves to nihgas or social media, he don't run around looking for acceptance. He graduated from his younger self and everything he been doing for over 20 years now is proof of that. Can't do nothing but respect shyt like that, he's basically the persona QC P is trying to wear but P is doing it all wrong.



Bruh I think to most of us this entire Thug saga is entertainment. I don't think people really care about Thug or the other people involved. Its entertainment. Do you see some of the topics across this forum with engagement as high, or even higher, than this thread? I don't believe in policing what people find value or entertainment in, and I think a whhhoooolllleeee lot of what mf's discuss on here is weak and strange and garbage.

I don't get running in threads to poke at people for having that interest though, I just simply don't engage in conversations or topics that don't interest me

Celebrity drama has always interested regular people. This shyt today is what BET News, E News, MTV News, and all the old hip hop magazines were 20, 30, 40 years ago. That's all this is, if this Thug situation happened in 2005 or 1995 it would be on BET News or The Source or Word Up or any of the older platforms of those eras, and us same personalities today, would have engaged in it then. Just consumed it thru yhe mediums that were popular then.

I'm sure plenty of people like yourself rolled their eyes in real time, at the "East Coast/West Coast" rap beefs and all that shyt. Its just entertainment and fodder for most of us, most people aren't that invested in the characters

I have no knowledge of Juan being rat. He married a female who told on a cartel like in the 80s. He married her years later I think.

 

[Ineedmoney504]

@murksiderock also it’s been said by many people that oj Juan was rich and A plug. The one who Alpo said rich was getting for one price and selling it to him for a higher price even tho it was his connect but not telling him that it was his connect.

“Og sold to those yall called kingpin, if those ya drug lords are we then”

 

[MicIsGod]

this?

We are back
Said Gunna is his brother.
Baby needs somebody like thug to get him to try different things like his voice here. shyt gunna did for him honestly

 

[spliz]

That new baby and thug is crack.

That shyt is dirt.

 

[MicIsGod]

That shyt is dirt.

For atl ears only brother

 

[MicIsGod]

Talked about mondo weird ass too

 

[Apollo Creed]

this?

shyt sounds like AI