Damn old NFL players are just as delusional as old NBA players “Id average 350 yds rushing this era”

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:dwillhuh: I went ahead and looked it up for actual linebackers and not 3-4 OLBs who usually get lumped in with DEs

bobby wagner made the all-pro and pro bowl last year, hes listed at 242

fred warner is likely to make pro bowl this year, hes at 230
levonte david is likely to make the pro bowl this year, hes at 232
luke kuechly was 230ish

all middle linebackers are hovering at 230-240 range.

to be fair, I looked at 1989, and Mike Singletary and others were also at 230-240 range.

so both us and you are wrong :russ: looks like inside LBs basically stayed the same.
I literally listed EVERY weight from all the backers who played in the Pro Bowls in 1989 and 2019, not just cherry-picking the ones I want.

2019 Pro Bowl - Wikipedia

Last year, the actual Pro Bowl linebackers were all 250-260. Every single one.

Mosley (250lbs) and McKinney (257lbs) were the inside backers in the game, and you can't just dismiss every single OLB (all 250+ lbs) on that "but they're really a DL!" shyt when those are still the guys who would be tackling Bo in the games and they're every bit as quick as the OLB of his own era.



And here's every linebacker in 1989 Pro Bowl:

1989 Pro Bowl - Wikipedia

In 1989, 6 of the 8 Pro Bowl linebackers were 225-240 and none of them were over 250.



Yeah, you can find heavier guys in 1989 and lighter guys in 2019 if you cherry-pick from opposite ends. But it's pretty clear what the norms are when you take it objectively.


I'm having trouble finding anyone doing a year-by-year or decade-by-decade breakdown, but this site says the average LB in 1980-1999 was 232lbs and the average linebacker 2000-present was 245lbs.

How NFL Players Have Evolved
 
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Thank you. They had to be a bit bigger because there were more maulers at the o-line position.
:mjlol::mjlol::mjlol:

"In the 1980s, the average offensive lineman was the same size as today's defensive ends, 6-foot-4, 272 pounds."

"In the 1990s, the average offensive lineman was the same size as today's bigger defensive ends, 6-foot-4, 300 pounds."

"In 2015, the Bryan Bulaga is the average offensive lineman at 6-foot-5, 312 pounds."

NFL lineman weren't always so enormous — see how much they've grown over the years

:francis:
 

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:mjlol::mjlol::mjlol:

"In the 1980s, the average offensive lineman was the same size as today's defensive ends, 6-foot-4, 272 pounds."

"In the 1990s, the average offensive lineman was the same size as today's bigger defensive ends, 6-foot-4, 300 pounds."

"In 2015, the Bryan Bulaga is the average offensive lineman at 6-foot-5, 312 pounds."

NFL lineman weren't always so enormous — see how much they've grown over the years

:francis:

My point is, these guys today aren't downhill blockers. They are big pass blockers.
 

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this bigger :duck:than old NBA players saying they'd average 40-50 ppg in this era.

and i think Bo da gawd in my eyes, but that some nexxt level hyperbole.
 

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I don't think there would be much of a difference.

Just like from late 80s to early 90s, I say Bo would be an elite running back IF he played full-time and stayed healthy. He put up great numbers especially for someone who didn't have time to prepare for an NFL season (and split carries with a HOF back), but all that stuff about him putting up insane numbers or being one of the ATGs, well that's all hypotheticals based on him playing football full-time and staying healthy. Even with his absurd athleticism, I don't know how much longer he would have been playing that well at RB if he didn't hurt his hip. He was a 28 year old running back, not exactly young.

Oh and he would definitely have to work on pass catching if he played today.
 
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Forget full season, look at his per game numbers.

He never averaged more than 86 yards/game. He never scored more than once every-other game .

Trying to translate from an 70-80 yard/game career and claim he'd get even 200 yards/game now against bigger and faster defenders is just silly.

How many yards did he average per carry?
 

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I literally listed EVERY weight from all the backers who played in the Pro Bowls in 1989 and 2019, not just cherry-picking the ones I want.

2019 Pro Bowl - Wikipedia

Last year, the actual Pro Bowl linebackers were all 250-260. Every single one.

Mosley (250lbs) and McKinney (257lbs) were the inside backers in the game, and you can't just dismiss every single OLB (all 250+ lbs) on that "but they're really a DL!" shyt when those are still the guys who would be tackling Bo in the games and they're every bit as quick as the OLB of his own era.



And here's every linebacker in 1989 Pro Bowl:

1989 Pro Bowl - Wikipedia

In 1989, 6 of the 8 Pro Bowl linebackers were 225-240 and none of them were over 250.



Yeah, you can find heavier guys in 1989 and lighter guys in 2019 if you cherry-pick from opposite ends. But it's pretty clear what the norms are when you take it objectively.


I'm having trouble finding anyone doing a year-by-year or decade-by-decade breakdown, but this site says the average LB in 1980-1999 was 232lbs and the average linebacker 2000-present was 245lbs.

How NFL Players Have Evolved
Why not choose inside linebackers?

Bettqer yet instead of choosing pro bowl, why not take average inside linebackers of all teams? You won't find slbs and wlbs on pro bowl rosters. But you will find them on teams.
 

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this bigger :duck:than old NBA players saying they'd average 40-50 ppg in this era.

and i think Bo da gawd in my eyes, but that some nexxt level hyperbole.
He's the biggest combination of speed and power of every player at his position ever.

Niqqas are not running 4.2's regularly. Niqqas weighing 230 are NOT running 4.2's.


This is the greatest athlete in any sport of the last 40 years talking, not some "old NBA players" shytting on an entire era of players.

Yall trying too hard. NFL players don't tear down players like NBA old heads do being on that trash.
 
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How many yards did he average per carry?
About 5.5 yards/carry when he only had to carry 12-15 times a game and had Marcus Allen softening up the defense the rest of the time. Even if he held that up over 25 carries/game that would only translate out to 137 yards/game, and there's no way he'd be able to maintain the same average while carrying the ball twice as much.

I looked up Bo Jackson's game log - here is EVERY game in his career in which he carried the ball 20+ times:

10-16-1988: 70 yards on 21 carries against Kansas City
10-22-1989: 78 yards on 20 carries against Philly
11-12-1989: 103 yards on 21 carries against San Diego
11-26-1989: 64 yards on 20 carries against New England
12-10-1989: 114 yards on 22 carries against Arizona


Those are the ONLY times that he carried 20+ times, and he didn't break out a big total in any of them. He has a few big days on less carries, of course, but those are on the strength of one 90+ yard run and a rather pedestrian day otherwise.

I mean, we're talking a guy who only has three 130 yard games in his entire career.

Let me repeat that....Bo Jackson only rushed for 130 yards THREE times in his entire career.

One more time: BO JACKSON ONLY REACHED 130 YARDS IN A GAME THREE TIMES in THIRTY-NINE GAMES.

Anyone projecting out record-settling totals from that is wilding.
 

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About 5.5 yards/carry when he only had to carry 12-15 times a game and had Marcus Allen softening up the defense the rest of the time. Even if he held that up over 25 carries/game that would only translate out to 137 yards/game, and there's no way he'd be able to maintain the same average while carrying the ball twice as much.

I looked up Bo Jackson's game log - here is EVERY game in his career in which he carried the ball 20+ times:

10-16-1988: 70 yards on 21 carries against Kansas City
10-22-1989: 78 yards on 20 carries against Philly
11-12-1989: 103 yards on 21 carries against San Diego
11-26-1989: 64 yards on 20 carries against New England
12-10-1989: 114 yards on 22 carries against Arizona


Those are the ONLY times that he carried 20+ times, and he didn't break out a big total in any of them. He has a few big days on less carries, of course, but most of those are on the strength of one 90+ yard run or some shyt.

I mean, we're talking a guy who only has three 130 yard games in his entire career.

Let me repeat that....Bo Jackson only rushed for 130 yards THREE times in his entire career.

One more time: BO JACKSON ONLY REACHED 130 YARDS IN A GAME THREE TIMES in THIRTY-NINE GAMES.

Anyone projecting out record-settling totals from that is wilding.

Bo focuses on football full time, his numbers would be sick.

I still marvel how he was able to get his timing down, knowing his blocks, how they would block as a runner fresh off of baseball season. It takes backs a while to get football cadence down.

You ain't getting it with this stat loving. You really aren't.
 
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