:damn: WR West Welker signs with Broncos

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Patriots' recent track record with FAs has not been good at all.

But Amendola supposed to come in and change that huh? It'll be like Welker never left. :obama:
 

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danny amedola best year is 689 yards

suddenly he will be some 1,300 yard receiver

If he stays healthy, and the Pats continue running the same type of offense, then the answer is a resounding YES! Welker is a good possession receiver, but he can be replaced (as happened with Edelman); that's exactly why the Pats weren't interested in paying big money for him. His stats with the Pats were unbelievable, but they can be duplicated by a receiver with the same skill set. I hate the Patriots, but the Amendola thing makes perfect sense here. In my eyes, they're just getting a cheaper, younger version of Welker.
 

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:damn:Damn the football gods love this nikka Manning
From Harrison & Wayne to Thomas, Decker, & now Welker, how sweet it is!!!:win:
 

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Just like how these bum Patriot fans thought Ochocinco was going to duplicate what Moss did :mjpls:

:rudy:

those were some dumb fans

also is that the generic response to whenever the Pats are about to add a receiver when you dont know anything about football? :ohhh:
 

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Okay, first of all, I'm a Steeler fan, and I absolutely hate the Patriots, but I don't get how people are saying Danny Amendola can't do what Wes Welker did in that system. I mean, he's actually shown great things when he's been on the field, and they're the exact same type of player, so it's almost a "plug-n-play" situation. For instance, in 2010, he only started 6 games, but managed to put up 85 rec., 689 yds, and 3 tds. with the Rams. The next year, he only played one game. Then, last year, he saw the field for half the season - 8 games - and posted up 63 rec., 666 yds, and 3 tds. Now, take that production and stretch it over 16 games (Last season would be 126 rec., 1332 yrds., 6 tds vs. Welker's 118 rec., 1354 yds., 6tds). It's mostly a draw so far. Then, on top of that, you have to add some more stats to it, because he'll finally be in an offense with one of the "elite" QBs (though I hate him), AND he'll have other options around him that the defense will have to account for. PLUS, Welker is 31, while Amendola is 27. I think this was a brilliant move by the Patriots, but of course, he still has to produce on the field.
 

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If he stays healthy, and the Pats continue running the same type of offense, then the answer is a resounding YES! Welker is a good possession receiver, but he can be replaced (as happened with Edelman); that's exactly why the Pats weren't interested in paying big money for him. His stats with the Pats were unbelievable, but they can be duplicated by a receiver with the same skill set. I hate the Patriots, but the Amendola thing makes perfect sense here. In my eyes, they're just getting a cheaper, younger version of Welker.

If what he's doing can be so easily replicated, why have teams generally failed to do so? Even team's that have/had former Patriots coaches on their staff?

I'm not a big fan of Welker at all but there are very few teams if any that wouldn't welcome his production. If all it takes is a Danny Amendola you'd think in a copy-cat league someone would've copied already.
 

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█ W.D.Y.D. █;3565820 said:
If what he's doing can be so easily replicated, why have teams generally failed to do so? Even team's that have/had former Patriots coaches on their staff?

I'm not a big fan of Welker at all but there are very few teams if any that wouldn't welcome his production. If all it takes is a Danny Amendola you'd think in a copy-cat league someone would've copied already.

Other teams generally don't try to replicate the Pats offense, for one. They run a certain scheme that's favorable to Welker types. I'm not trying to diminish Welker's production, or insinuate that there are hundreds of WRs like him. There are a few in the league with his skill set, just as there are a few burners, and if plugged into the right system, those types show off. Amendola happens to have the same skill set as Welker, and I predict there will be very little, if any, drop-off by switching between the two. Secondly, the personnel in NE is different compared to other places. Not many teams execute as well as the Patriots (which keeps them sustaining more drives), and they have a WR in Lloyd that draws attention, two great TEs that draw attention, and a great QB throwing the ball. That's not to mention that despite not having any decent RBs lately, they always manage to be in the middle of that pack in rushing team-wise. In other places, the personnel isn't the same, the execution likely isn't exactly the same, and the play-calling is probably different as well. In my opinion, there may be around 4 or 5 guys in the league that can replicate what Welker has done in that same system; it just so happens the Patriots landed one of those receivers.
 

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FreedS[ohh]lave;3561675 said:
:what: Welkers caught 240 passes and 15 td's the last two years those are record numbers if u think you can replace that with a guy simply becasue they look alike and are short ands white and slot wr's youre foolish

...don't neglect to mention that they both went to Texas Tech as well. :skip:
 

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Amendola wasn't brought in to replicate Welker, he was brought to provide a wider variety of options for the Pats offense. Being taller and quicker he'll be able to run more routes than Welker could, especially deep routes..ie seam patterns. Welker, while he was able to get open going deep on occasion (probably out of surprise), really struggled at catching those types of throws, something Amendola appears to be better at. I also expect to see Hernandez fill the role of Welker as much as Amendola does. He's able to run alot of those quick option routes in the middle of the field and he's much more explosive after the catch, not to mention he's also able to go deep so the offense should become more unpredictable with opposing defenses not sure who's going deep and who's running the short "welker" type routes. Edelman (who will probably resign) completely outplayed Welker in camp last year, has also shown flashes of being highly productive, so those 3 guys plus whoever else we bring in with our 22M of cap space left + the draft should be able to fill the hole left by Welker.

Our offense was too reliant on Welker and the middle of the field anyways. The blueprint to slow us down was written years ago - get pressure with 4, clog the the middle of the field. There's only a handful of teams that can execute that gameplan, but it was still time for a change. The only concern I have with the offense is injuries. Amendola has a bad rep for being injury prone but his problems have been freak accidents, not recurring concussions or hamstrings..etc so hopefully he's just been unlucky.
 

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Amendola wasn't brought in to replicate Welker, he was brought to provide a wider variety of options for the Pats offense. Being taller and quicker he'll be able to run more routes than Welker could, especially deep routes..ie seam patterns. Welker, while he was able to get open going deep on occasion (probably out of surprise), really struggled at catching those types of throws, something Amendola appears to be better at. I also expect to see Hernandez fill the role of Welker as much as Amendola does. He's able to run alot of those quick option routes in the middle of the field and he's much more explosive after the catch, not to mention he's also able to go deep so the offense should become more unpredictable with opposing defenses not sure who's going deep and who's running the short "welker" type routes. Edelman (who will probably resign) completely outplayed Welker in camp last year, has also shown flashes of being highly productive, so those 3 guys plus whoever else we bring in with our 22M of cap space left + the draft should be able to fill the hole left by Welker.

Our offense was too reliant on Welker and the middle of the field anyways. The blueprint to slow us down was written years ago - get pressure with 4, clog the the middle of the field. There's only a handful of teams that can execute that gameplan, but it was still time for a change. The only concern I have with the offense is injuries. Amendola has a bad rep for being injury prone but his problems have been freak accidents, not recurring concussions or hamstrings..etc so hopefully he's just been unlucky.

I have to completely disagree with you in regards to the reason they brought Amendola in. He's two inches taller than Welker and runs just a few hundredths of a second faster. He is absolutely expected to be a Welker "replacement" in that system.
 

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I have to completely disagree with you in regards to the reason they brought Amendola in. He's two inches taller than Welker and runs just a few hundredths of a second faster. He is absolutely expected to be a Welker "replacement" in that system.

Yes technically he'll be welkers replacement as the slot receiver. I just expect them to be changing their system. They've been beat when it counts in the same manner so I can't see them doing the exact same offense. He'll obviously do some of the same things welker did but if they wanted an exact welker clone to come in and do the same things they would have paid the extra couple dollars and just kept welker.

We've shown time and time again we're not afraid to switch out offense even when it's successful - moss/welker spread to a double TE base. Running a lot of 3 TE sets this year with the addition of Ballard wouldn't surprise me at all.


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Yes technically he'll be welkers replacement as the slot receiver. I just expect them to be changing their system. They've been beat when it counts in the same manner so I can't see them doing the exact same offense. He'll obviously do some of the same things welker did but if they wanted an exact welker clone to come in and do the same things they would have paid the extra couple dollars and just kept welker.

We've shown time and time again we're not afraid to switch out offense even when it's successful - moss/welker spread to a double TE base. Running a lot of 3 TE sets this year with the addition of Ballard wouldn't surprise me at all.


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We just view it differently, then. I don't see the offense changing; rather, I just see them bringing in a cheaper, younger version of Welker. Their offense will still revolve around the 2 TE sets, with Lloyd and Amendola as the wideouts. Ballard is mainly insurance for injuries to either TE, but he'll see the field some to give them breathers too. I think it was a great move for the Pats, bc they'll get the same production from a younger, cheaper version of the same type of player.
 
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