Dan orlovsky and Rex Ryan not keeping the same energy with Josh allen

[Loose]

Says that Lamar has to win it all, but flaps the cape for Josh Allen

But ya defend Orlovskkky

I'll play devils advocate, lamars the 2x mvp his expectation should be to win it all. His expectations is up there with Peyton mahomes Brady, he in rare company now.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

I'll play devils advocate, lamars the 2x mvp his expectation should be to win it all

If he plays great and they still lose.... there shouldn't be any discussion about him at all. If he comes out and throws like three picks then yeah sure...have at it.

 

[holidayinn21]

Josh Allen in the 4th:

Scoreless
Threw a likely pick-6 to Sneed that Mcduffie almost picked off himself
Fumbled and were fortunate that his teammates recovered
Miss several reads on that last drive

Dude was garbage in the 4th with his decision making

 

[kdslittlebro]

I disagree, I actually think it's the opposite. A great tight end makes it easier on the wide recievers because the safetys have to play closer to LOS and the lb can't cheat off the ends.

In fact we can look at history for the tight end position versus the wr position, most of the greatest wrs of all time haven't won a ring, where as most of the greatest tight ends of all time have. Having a top target at tight end is a game changer, kittle even with his inconsistencies makes life a lot easier for purdy, he sits in the soft zone spots, can blow by most lbs with ease. Having a hof tight end is a game changer, you usually can get by with average weapons at wr.

They can only play at the LOS when the receivers aren’t a threat. Chiefs have faced some of the most two-high coverage the current back half of Mahomes career so far, and they just started bringing more down toward the LOS this yr to put more hands on Kelce, as it became clear there was nothing else to worry about.

But looking at the greats of TEs, I only see 3/8 who won a SB, and they played with arguably the last and current greats (Brady/Pat) and another HOF QB/MVP RB (Donkey in Denver). Not saying they weren’t/aren’t heavy contributors, but those seem to be the exception, not the rule. I had to research on that one tho, so I could be wrong.

More likely to win a ring than the great WRs, but there’s 30 HOF WRs, so clearly they seem make the greater impact on the game by volume

Edit: 3/9 on HOF TEs I included Kelce, but didn’t add him to the total count

 

[Da Bull Ace]

Josh Allen did not lose that game yest

He didn't drop the bomb or shank the FG...and most importantly, he didn't turn the ball over

And like I keep telling anyone...when was the last time in NFL history that a road team had a 2 day rest advantage

His mistake was on that 2nd & 9 from the 26...he should've just took the easy completion to Diggs on the drag

Stop dikkriding and coddling him

 

[DropTopDoc]

Bills defense is completely fukking decimated, they were playing 3rd stringers and guys off the couch.

Up 31-27 with two TO and 1:55 on the clock with your defense on the field? Not a scenario I want to be in.

Granted but no garauntee

CHOOSING TO THROW 30+ YD PASSES
WHILE IGNORING THE UNDERNEATH ROUTES
2 PLAYS IN A ROW.






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Y’all say this, we don’t know the primary read on that play was, or the design, it was there shyt happens

 

[Surreal]

Josh Allen can’t beat Mahomes so let’s take out kicking

They already changed Overtime for Josh to beat Mahomeboy

Already gave them 2nd seed last year tho Cincy had the better record and was winning when Hamlin was injured
Refs gave them ALL the calls the past 2 months

 

[Loose]

They can only play at the LOS when the receivers aren’t a threat. Chiefs have faced some of the most two-high coverage the current back half of Mahomes career so far, and they just started bringing more down toward the LOS this yr to put more hands on Kelce, as it became clear there was nothing else to worry about.

But looking at the greats of TEs, I only see 3/8 who won a SB, and they played with arguably the last and current greats (Brady/Pat) and another HOF QB/MVP RB (Donkey in Denver). Not saying they weren’t/aren’t heavy contributors, but those seem to be the exception, not the rule. I had to research on that one tho, so I could be wrong.

More likely to win a ring than the great WRs, but there’s 30 HOF WRs, so clearly they seem make the greater impact on the game by volume

Edit: 3/9 on HOF TEs I included Kelce, but didn’t add him to the total count

I'm looking at list of the greatest wide wrs top 6, only one of them have a ring


1 Moss
2. Larry
3. Terrell owens
4. Megatron
5. Jerry Rice
6. Chris Carter

Only one of them have a ring, if you include guys like Wayne, Big Marv they both played with Peyton. It's much easier to contain a great wide receiver with average tight ends than the opposite. Great wide recievers are obviously valuable but a great tight end can block and move the chains. They're great for checkdown specifically. Makes the game easier

 

[Bigblackted4]

I’m all for shytting on Allen but he’s in the Rodger’s second half of his career position.

 

[kdslittlebro]

Great wide recievers are obviously valuable but a great tight end can block and move the chains. They're great for checkdown specifically. Makes the game easier

Agreed with all this except the blocking part lol some still do, but you see more extra linemen come in for blocking than you see a TE do it anymore. They aren’t even lining up in-line as much.

But out of those receivers, who would you say had the most season with great QB play? The 3 receivers you brought up with rings played with Montana, Young, and Peyton when they won rings. I don’t think the SB rings is a good argument for impact for either simply because the great pass catchers only win it all with great QBs, either TE or receiver. It goes back to are the winners the exception or the rule? Idk the best way to measure their impact tho, outside of raw numbers. It’s definitely something I wanna look into now tho

 

[Biscayne]

Josh Allen did not lose that game yest

He didn't drop the bomb or shank the FG...and most importantly, he didn't turn the ball over

And like I keep telling anyone...when was the last time in NFL history that a road team had a 2 day rest advantage

His mistake was on that 2nd & 9 from the 26...he should've just took the easy completion to Diggs on the drag

Oh brother…

 

[lamont614]

so was Frederick Douglass

But more importantly, this is Pat's daddy.

 

[Loose]

Agreed with all this except the blocking part lol some still do, but you see more extra linemen come in for blocking than you see a TE do it anymore. They aren’t even lining up in-line as much.

But out of those receivers, who would you say had the most season with great QB play? The 3 receivers you brought up with rings played with Montana, Young, and Peyton when they won rings. I don’t think the SB rings is a good argument for impact for either simply because the great pass catchers only win it all with great QBs, either TE or receiver. It goes back to are the winners the exception or the rule? Idk the best way to measure their impact tho, outside of raw numbers. It’s definitely something I wanna look into now tho

One of the 3 great tight ends going to win ring this year too . You can have average wrs and still win if your team is built correctly. Obviously it's not optimal, but it's a cheaper baseline than paying a wr whom can be doubled or schemed out the game making 28 million. It's why chiefs let tyreek walk, and patriots was able to have 6th round picks and walk on as wrs

 

[kdslittlebro]

One of the 3 great tight ends going to win. Ring this year too . Can have average wrs and still win. Obviously it's not optimal, but it's a cheaper baseline than paying a wr whom can be doubled or schemed out the game

LaPorta enters the convo Na if we talking a value proposition, HOFTE money will likely go further just due to longevity. They can slow down and still be more effective than an aging receiver, let alone costing less. But it also depends on availability. Seems TE scouting is finally starting to catch up now that the receiving TE is more prevalent, and the WR1 bubble is creeping up.

 

[FTBS]

I'll play devils advocate, lamars the 2x mvp his expectation should be to win it all. His expectations is up there with Peyton mahomes Brady, he in rare company now.

Nobody including Mahomes has been put sucked off more than Allen the last 3 years. He got more love for a playoff L than Lamar has ever gotten for anything. He's been held up as Mahomes rival, not Lamar.