David Banner calls out "lyrical rappers" and "conscious rappers" to put the music first

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[SirBiatch]

they won't. They know that if they did, no one would listen to them because most can't pull it off. Better to be a fraud and cacs like you.

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

Great interview

 

[Dominic Brehetto]

Good thing drake will never be considered lyrical eh fakkit?

 

[GrindMode]

this guy is fukking amazing

 

[GrindMode]

Good thing drake will never be considered lyrical eh fakkit?

wow after an interview about togetherness you say some divisive you nikkas are hopeless

 

[GPBear]

they won't. They know that if they did, no one would listen to them because most can't pull it off. Better to be a fraud and cacs like you.

There's two types of writers, Class 1 and Class 2. Class 1 are more cinematic and straightforward, so people enjoy them because they're simple to understand and have easy to follow plot lines. Like books that get on a best seller's list. Like Biggie's "Warning". These types make straight forward music videos/movie scripts.

Class 2 writers focus more on the artistic merits of words themselves. They inherently sell less, because they have different artistic intentions and the audience has to work more for satisfaction by having to pay more attention to the individual words. So it doesn't make sense to point out someone like Joey Bada$$ or Nas' record sales, because they have completely different artistic intentions. They're making pieces of art that are inherently not-best seller potential, for their own specific reasons.

It's not a matter of 'not being able to pull it off', everyone just has a subjective perspective of what the purpose of "art" is, and they embody these different ideas in separate ways using different techniques to achieve their goals. If everyone had the same homogeneous view of what hip-hop is supposed to be, it would completely go against the original intent of hip-hop/art in general which is to express your inner creativity.

Telling a lyrical rapper to be less literary is like telling a poet to write a movie script.

It's okay if you prefer one style over the other, but engaging in some frivolous war against lyricism in threads all over these boards like I see you do is a complete waste of time and energy.

 

[SunZoo]

There's two types of writers, Class 1 and Class 2. Class 1 are more cinematic and straightforward, so people enjoy them because they're simple to understand and have easy to follow plot lines. Like books that get on a best seller's list. Like Biggie's "Warning". These types make straight forward music videos/movie scripts.

Class 2 writers focus more on the artistic merits of words themselves. They inherently sell less, because they have different artistic intentions and the audience has to work more for satisfaction by having to pay more attention to the individual words. So it doesn't make sense to point out someone like Joey Bada$$ or Nas' record sales, because they have completely different artistic intentions. They're making pieces of art that are inherently not-best seller potential, for their own specific reasons.

It's not a matter of 'not being able to pull it off', everyone just has a subjective perspective of what the purpose of "art" is, and they embody these different ideas in separate ways using different techniques to achieve their goals. If everyone had the same homogeneous view of what hip-hop is supposed to be, it would completely go against the original intent of hip-hop/art in general which is to express your inner creativity.

Telling a lyrical rapper to be less literary is like telling a poet to write a movie script.

Music's primary purpose in this day and age is for commerce. Rap music is not Hip Hop.

Going the spoon full of sugar route is a great strategy for someone who is playing that game, it's been done and still not going to dominate charts/sales awards unless the people who control it can maximize profit. You can either do that and still be at the mercy of people who don't know or care about the CULTURE or you can utilize rap to support/highlight other elements and let "them" have the musical genre that they already control 99% of.

I been wanting to hear Godbox for a while, but he coulda spent the 5 years off actually doing something besides coming up with another album to sell, but of course, when you think Hip Hop is a genre, all you can do to get in/participate or innovate is make music to sell. Albums are going to keep coming and going at an even faster rate and the record labels are going to invent more ways to fukk you and control the narrative.

 

[GrindMode]

BUMP!

 

[Lýba'rhaésheýun]

Well. Can't Argue with that.

You need a good balance of both. Melodic & Lyrical otherwise you end up with sick bars but boring or terrible songs or Good Songs But You Cringe everytime its time for the verse

I Feel like that sort of balance in one artist is very rare. An Artist who spits flames but also makes well put together music and has top tier production there are some but I feel its a bit rare

 

[SirBiatch]

There's two types of writers, Class 1 and Class 2. Class 1 are more cinematic and straightforward, so people enjoy them because they're simple to understand and have easy to follow plot lines. Like books that get on a best seller's list. Like Biggie's "Warning". These types make straight forward music videos/movie scripts.

Class 2 writers focus more on the artistic merits of words themselves. They inherently sell less, because they have different artistic intentions and the audience has to work more for satisfaction by having to pay more attention to the individual words. So it doesn't make sense to point out someone like Joey Bada$$ or Nas' record sales, because they have completely different artistic intentions. They're making pieces of art that are inherently not-best seller potential, for their own specific reasons.

It's not a matter of 'not being able to pull it off', everyone just has a subjective perspective of what the purpose of "art" is, and they embody these different ideas in separate ways using different techniques to achieve their goals. If everyone had the same homogeneous view of what hip-hop is supposed to be, it would completely go against the original intent of hip-hop/art in general which is to express your inner creativity.

Telling a lyrical rapper to be less literary is like telling a poet to write a movie script.

It's okay if you prefer one style over the other, but engaging in some frivolous war against lyricism in threads all over these boards like I see you do is a complete waste of time and energy.

Except no one said they should be less literary, not even David Banner

I'd ask: 'why are you juelzing off-topic, breh' but then I see your next sentence and I know my post affected you somehow - which prompted your santana. Frivolous war against lyricism? Breh, my favorite rapper of all time is Nas. The fukk? I have a problem with faux-lyricism and faux-depth. But if you're poetic in the true sense of the word, I love that stuff.

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

There's two types of writers, Class 1 and Class 2. Class 1 are more cinematic and straightforward, so people enjoy them because they're simple to understand and have easy to follow plot lines. Like books that get on a best seller's list. Like Biggie's "Warning". These types make straight forward music videos/movie scripts.

Class 2 writers focus more on the artistic merits of words themselves. They inherently sell less, because they have different artistic intentions and the audience has to work more for satisfaction by having to pay more attention to the individual words. So it doesn't make sense to point out someone like Joey Bada$$ or Nas' record sales, because they have completely different artistic intentions. They're making pieces of art that are inherently not-best seller potential, for their own specific reasons.

It's not a matter of 'not being able to pull it off', everyone just has a subjective perspective of what the purpose of "art" is, and they embody these different ideas in separate ways using different techniques to achieve their goals. If everyone had the same homogeneous view of what hip-hop is supposed to be, it would completely go against the original intent of hip-hop/art in general which is to express your inner creativity.

Telling a lyrical rapper to be less literary is like telling a poet to write a movie script.

It's okay if you prefer one style over the other, but engaging in some frivolous war against lyricism in threads all over these boards like I see you do is a complete waste of time and energy.

Naw the point is that if you're making music then it needs to succeed on the level of being MUSIC first. A lot of underground rappers in the "lyricist" category write 16s without writing to a beat and then try to match a beat to the verse later which is why they don't have their own sound. Same thing with freestyles over jacked beats, its always hundreds of nikkas spitting "dope bars" on top of popular beats who completely ignore factoring in the actual direction of the music. It's a reason why the original version was a hit... It's not because they had the craziest pop culture references or the dopest flips, it's because the vocals and the music clicked in a way that was dope.

 

[ZEB WALTON]

Lyrical miracle rap died in 2000s. Really 90s but their were a few left. Guysblike slaughterhouse are trash imo no matter how well they rap. I rather heAr a lost boyz with their "simple" lyrics than a "mc universal" with the bars. Guys who can blend it all together are the real greats ie. nas, jay, etc

Thats why indont fukk with guys like kweli. His music, voice, etc etc is all grating as fukk. The music def comes last for that guy

 

[SirBiatch]

Naw the point is that if you're making music then it needs to succeed on the level of being MUSIC first. A lot of underground rappers in the "lyricist" category write 16s without writing to a beat and then try to match a beat to the verse later which is why they don't have their own sound. Same thing with freestyles over jacked beats, its always hundreds of nikkas spitting "dope bars" on top of popular beats who completely ignore factoring in the actual direction of the music. It's a reason why the original version was a hit... It's not because they had the craziest pop culture references or the dopest flips, it's because the vocals and the music clicked in a way that was dope.

and these freestyle stans will turn and say "You just don't get it."

Nah, we get it. We like bars. You're just wack.

 

[BocaRear]

He's right. A lot of these cornballs hide behind being conscious as an excuse to make trash music.