David Banner calls out "lyrical rappers" and "conscious rappers" to put the music first

[John Hull]

Except ya'll aint' with David Banner like that, so this is just another Kendrick bashing thread.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

hes right and I was just about to make a thread about that.

guess i'll have to put it off for a while.

they won't. They know that if they did, no one would listen to them because most can't pull it off. Better to be a fraud and cacs like you.

THIS

He's right. A lot of these cornballs hide behind being conscious as an excuse to make trash music.

AND THIS

 

[Pop123]

"if just the six million people listening to this right now go out and buy my album..."






, be out of your damn mind brehs

 

[Hyperion]

I completely agree, I've always felt this way. You can pen the best verse to ever be penned in the history of rap, but if it doesn't sound good at all, what's the point? There's a reason why people hold guys like Timbaland, Pete Rock, J Dilla, Just Blaze, Alchemist and so many others in high regard -- the musical accompaniment is equally important. If it weren't, people would be buying acapella cypher rap albums, but they don't, because that's not a thing. Who wants to sit through 70 minutes of acapella rap? Nobody, that's who. (And this is why I believe any instances of rappers not paying producers is completely unacceptable, but that's another discussion... )

It's a cop out for not putting any effort into the music side of things, most of the time. Earlier today, someone shared this video of some kid rapping about murdering Lil Yachty, Lil Uzi Vert, 21 Savage and Kodak Black under the guise of "Raw Hip Hop" (You probably already know where this is going)... He was covered in blood, the beat had the typical Saw melody progression, and he rapped like he was reading a paragraph in front of the class. Obviously, to the surprise of no one, nobody was feeling this at all and proceeded to roast this young rapper in the comment section.But he was confident as hell in his work because he thought "real Hip Hop" was going to carry him instead of actually making quality music, and this happens all the time. Underground rappers tend to do this because they want to be the antithesis to Mainstream rappers, and there's a lane for people like that (Look at Hopsin), but they don't realize that they can drop bars while still making good music that's accessible.

 

[SunZoo]

Tried to fix the quotes.

I completely agree, I've always felt this way. You can pen the best verse to ever be penned in the history of rap, but if it doesn't sound good at all, what's the point? There's a reason why people hold guys like Timbaland, Pete Rock, J Dilla, Just Blaze, Alchemist and so many others in high regard -- the musical accompaniment is equally important. If it weren't, people would be buying acapella cypher rap albums, but they don't, because that's not a thing.
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See...the crux of the argument is always going to come back to who's buying what. Rap music is about selling product to the consumer, not art...NOT HIP HOP.

That's not to say don't study music or even looking to make music for the purpose of selling it, just stop equating it with Hip Hop or putting it at the forefront just because it's more readily reproduced and exploitable. It makes it so that the only way the majority of people can participate is to buy/consume something from the trough of the music industry. That either means they gotta rap or buy...it's why we have so many shytty rappers, that's the only way they see in.

It's a cop out for not putting any effort into the music side of things

You just admitted in earlier in this post that the 'music side of things' is about people buying shyt.

 

[SunZoo]

double

 

[Claudex]

Ayo this might just be the best Breakfast club interview I've seen in a minute. David Banner really came armed with that real!

@12:54 We gotta get black people to love themselves again! It's psychology it's not business!

Brehs be like "you gotta get black folks educated in business, multimillionaires gotta do x-y-z..." The truth is you can teach black people about business, but if we don't like ourselves subliminally [all that black human capital is just gonna cop more white products].

Cotdamn that hit like a brick on window.

I really believe there's a whole psychological work that black people as a community gotta put each other through as the first step towards black empowerment/economics.

 

[Breh Obama]

"Just cause you don't understand him don't mean that he nice"

 

[BK The Great]

he's got a point, but not everyone is willing to wait 5 + years for a artist to release their music.

 

[Fani Willis fan]

Except ya'll aint' with David Banner like that, so this is just another Kendrick bashing thread.

Kendrick is a lyricist who puts the music first.

 

[Art Barr]

There's two types of writers, Class 1 and Class 2. Class 1 are more cinematic and straightforward, so people enjoy them because they're simple to understand and have easy to follow plot lines. Like books that get on a best seller's list. Like Biggie's "Warning". These types make straight forward music videos/movie scripts.

Class 2 writers focus more on the artistic merits of words themselves. They inherently sell less, because they have different artistic intentions and the audience has to work more for satisfaction by having to pay more attention to the individual words. So it doesn't make sense to point out someone like Joey Bada$$ or Nas' record sales, because they have completely different artistic intentions. They're making pieces of art that are inherently not-best seller potential, for their own specific reasons.

It's not a matter of 'not being able to pull it off', everyone just has a subjective perspective of what the purpose of "art" is, and they embody these different ideas in separate ways using different techniques to achieve their goals. If everyone had the same homogeneous view of what hip-hop is supposed to be, it would completely go against the original intent of hip-hop/art in general which is to express your inner creativity.

Telling a lyrical rapper to be less literary is like telling a poet to write a movie script.

It's okay if you prefer one style over the other, but engaging in some frivolous war against lyricism in threads all over these boards like I see you do is a complete waste of time and energy.

That guy, @SirBiatch is a toy trying to pander and play the role like he knows what he is talembout.
By parroting talking points he ear hustled.
to try and discuss rap with his ear hustled half truth false information.

No one is fooled.

@GPBear, Great post and rant to discuss what used to be a cultural versus sellout argument.
Which is now an actual argument in music of cultural lines being crossed.
by other forms and genres of music that are taboo to said culture.
Rap is moving back into that era of being phased out of the commercial hemisphere all together for the real grassroots artist.
Although, they are maintaining a veil of secrecy of taking over an having domain of an industry.
where ONLY the handchosen of classically trained radio tv studio students and actors get to actually make any real draw by complete controlled semantics and slight of hand via capitalism.
Some basic shyt found in breakin as a cultural gateway beginning lesson.
Where now, you have to be a largely billion dollar funded media and pr company or be in line with that one monopolistic exact pr company to really sell ever sell the impoverished voice of the poor's artistic community's music.

It is pretty much making it so it looks like the devil does not exist.
Yet if you were to look behind the internet based curtain it right there in your face.

It is hilarious.



Art Barr

 

[daze23]

to me the important thing is the beat, and how the mc's voice sounds over it. I'd rather listen to Group Home than a lot of these lyrical miracles

that being said, these dudes don't intend to make wack music or outshine the beat. they just don't have access to good beats

 

[Mowgli]

Except no one said they should be less literary, not even David Banner

I'd ask: 'why are you juelzing off-topic, breh' but then I see your next sentence and I know my post affected you somehow - which prompted your santana. Frivolous war against lyricism? Breh, my favorite rapper of all time is Nas. The fukk? I have a problem with faux-lyricism and faux-depth. But if you're poetic in the true sense of the word, I love that stuff.

Every man who says Faux in real life is a faggit

 

[Drip Bayless]

I've never seen fans so dedicated to riding an artists nuts
Like y'all really wake up with Drake's nuts in ya mouths
Y'all act like 600Breezy

 

[Art Barr]

So, in five years.

Did David banner actually learn to be a dope emcee.
Not a wack rapper without playing this whole I am finally woke rapper.
who still can't really rhyme really well without having to cling to preachy turn of character marketing on some fake Malcom x shyt.
That been played out as that is the problem with rap culturally appropriating being an emcee.
See the problem with the rap industry was it needed to drive the culture of hiphop out of rap.
That is the problem.

When the culture was driven away rappers.
who were wack like David banner got to get on and rap and not just produce and flodge at rapping to get a bag.

So, real talk this whole double back door of the wack emcees trying to appeal to and pander after selling out.
Are all the same.
Just be dope as applying to the culture, and your pillars.
instead of being culturally disengenuine then pandering back to us.

All the wack rappers flooding into the game with no idea of hiphop as a culture are the issue.

That means wack rappers culturally and skill wise as far as emcee'n.
As rappin is also some sellout shyt because it culturally appropriates the actual emcee that rap music is based off of in an actual gross parody.

The problem is rap music lets nikkaz who are not emcees make a joke of an art form where someone is actually culturally trying to take themselves off the street by being an actual emcee.
The problem with rappers is they may not be culturally aware at all about being an actual emcee.
Not a rapper but an emcee.
They will try to hide behind characters, media, production, production quality, etc.
At the end of the day are they an actual real skilled real time emcee.

That is the question and real talk, the problem culturally is emcee are being priced out of the marketplace from an industry built off of being an emcee.



Art Barr