David Banner calls out "lyrical rappers" and "conscious rappers" to put the music first

[African Peasant]

I'm telling yall, shyt is going to get worse as time progress. Lyricism will eventually die out due to a higher demographic of fans chasing the next thing the machine throws at them. Kendrick holding it down but it's not awakening the youngins at all because that demographic is addicted to the fast food bullshyt. At least during the ringtone/ice bling era, there was a sense of choice. Now, everything has to have a trap beat, drug/sex influence, and slam in the clubs.

I'm sorry to say this, its either find another genre or genres to fall back on...or continue to be dusty with your music picks because there's no growth in this game unless a miracle happens.

Yep. Mumble rap is already a degenerate form of rap.

You don't need to think. It's just an intuitive music. The rapper is just there to make the right noise to accompany the music.

 

[Newzz]

Big Sean is the example of how to do both

dap + rep bc this is Damn true.

 

[CookisaCac]

 

[African Peasant]

Exactly.


Which is why no matter how hard rappity rap fans wanna argue, someone like Jeezy will go down in history as > someone like Lupe

That's why BIG and PAC will go down as >>> someone like Jeezy. They use their voice to say something : something funny, sexy, clever, dramatic, intriguant, etc.

I don't know how someone cannot be when Biggie is dropping gems and playing with words on a record.

 

[SunZoo]

With a name like god box as an album name.
It would connotate trying to infringe culturally upon the land of dope emcees who have a cultural root in the five percenters.
Of which David banner is not a dope emcee and not even in the distinction to culturally understand what god box even means culturally in rap as an album defining statement.

It is just complete bullshyt.

Just more and more wack emcee pandering.



Art Barr

There are way better ideas you could have done with "GODBOX" than another album that will probably come and go with the 20 other projects that get released that day.

 

[Newzz]

The MC doesn't make the music; he needs to focus on his flow, delivery and LYRICS.

Rap is a special type of music because the main man, the MC, is not a musician. A singer is musician, not a rapper.

The non lyrical rappers don't even make the music you're bouncing your head/ass to.

This is a weird statement by Banner.

Yes they can, bc if you follow their flow, the way they deliver their bars is in a catchy way.


You saying Uzi didn't make Sway start dancing here....the beat did? Even though Yo Gotti's flow on the same beat didn't have us nod like Sway in perfect choreography to Uzi's bounce flow:

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

There's two types of writers, Class 1 and Class 2. Class 1 are more cinematic and straightforward, so people enjoy them because they're simple to understand and have easy to follow plot lines. Like books that get on a best seller's list. Like Biggie's "Warning". These types make straight forward music videos/movie scripts.

Class 2 writers focus more on the artistic merits of words themselves. They inherently sell less, because they have different artistic intentions and the audience has to work more for satisfaction by having to pay more attention to the individual words. So it doesn't make sense to point out someone like Joey Bada$$ or Nas' record sales, because they have completely different artistic intentions. They're making pieces of art that are inherently not-best seller potential, for their own specific reasons.

It's not a matter of 'not being able to pull it off', everyone just has a subjective perspective of what the purpose of "art" is, and they embody these different ideas in separate ways using different techniques to achieve their goals. If everyone had the same homogeneous view of what hip-hop is supposed to be, it would completely go against the original intent of hip-hop/art in general which is to express your inner creativity.

Telling a lyrical rapper to be less literary is like telling a poet to write a movie script.

It's okay if you prefer one style over the other, but engaging in some frivolous war against lyricism in threads all over these boards like I see you do is a complete waste of time and energy.

Entertainment is the prime directive

No one cares about your message or your intent or your attempts.

 

[Newzz]

That's why BIG and PAC will go down as >>> someone like Jeezy. They use their voice to say something : something funny, sexy, clever, dramatic, intriguant, etc.

I don't know how someone cannot be when Biggie is dropping gems and playing with words on a record.

People say Lupe was a better lyricist than Pac and that Pac was an average lyricist at very best.....but yet he's 10x the artist Lupe (and those of Lupe's ilk like a Canibus, or hell even a Cassidy) will ever be, do to the fact Pac knew how to make great MUSIC while they don't. They are too boxed in trying to be lyrical to a fault at times.


Basically, they make "hot lines"....they don't know how to make hot songs.


Lyricists with consistently weak music are basically like a basketball player with offense, but play no defense.

 

[African Peasant]

Yes they can, bc if you follow their flow, the way they deliver their bars is in a catchy way.


You saying Uzi didn't make Sway start dancing here....the beat did? Even though Yo Gotti's flow on the same beat didn't have us nod like Sway in perfect choreography to Uzi's bounce flow:

There is nothing special on that video. The beat did 80% of the work. He's just saying random words to accompany the beat.

This is someone complimenting the beat :


Big is really adding to the beat. The way he's posing is art in itself.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

He's right. A lot of these cornballs hide behind being conscious as an excuse to make trash music.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Kendrick is a lyricist who puts the music first.

arguable.

and its definitely not a settled discussion

 

[African Peasant]

People say Lupe was a better lyricist than Pac and that Pac was an average lyricist at very best.....but yet he's 10x the artist Lupe (and those of Lupe's ilk like a Canibus, or he'll even a Cassidy) will ever be, do to the fact Pac knew how to make great MUSIC while they don't. They are too boxed in trying to be lyrical to a fault.


Basically, they make "hot lines"....they don't know how to make hot songs.

Pac's greatest appel was his message, not just his voice and the way sounded. You take out the conscious side of Pac, you lose half (or more) of his appeal.

 

[Shadow]

Exactly.


Which is why no matter how hard rappity rap fans wanna argue, someone like Jeezy will go down in history as > someone like Lupe due to the fact Jeezy made great MUSIC while Lupe couldn't reach that level even though he was better with the technical skills

Lupe made great music too though.

 

[Fani Willis fan]

arguable.

and its definitely not a settled discussion

If you look at S80 and GKMC i don't see how its arguable.
He came out with an ear for beats and top notch melody.

 

[Newzz]

There is nothing special on that video. The beat did 80% of the work. He's just saying random words to accompany the beat.

This is someone complimenting the beat :


Big is really adding to the beat. The way he's posing is art in itself.

You missed my point entirely breh