Daz Dillinger: Tupac and Dr. Dre' got into it!

[I love Latina women]

This is what I'm getting at. Daz's version sounds a little empty and the Dre touched beat has a fuller sound and there's strings in the background. It's also looped. There isn't transition between the verses and the hook.

bruh, it just sounds like it hadn't been mixed and mastered yet with the exception of the added whistles, bells and strings

but if you listen to them back to back or even for a few seconds back to back, they damn near identical except for a few small details

 

[nieman]

People are really going out of their way to make a case that Dre is the greatest. They're changing the definition of it with each post.

 

[JustCKing]

Thats because it came out like the same year bruh. And it's a damn Christina Milian song. Lol. When it came out people was already fukkin wit Hate It Or Love It. Why would they even go up in arms about Say I? Noone gave a fukk about the song in general. They could've gave her the Hate It Or Love It beat first and noone would've cared. Except nikkas who know better and would use it to spit a freestyle over. Lol

Mary J. Blige came out with a cover of "Hate It Or Love It" that charted the same year. It even came out during the song's run.

 

[spliz]

This is what I'm getting at. Daz's version sounds a little empty and the Dre touched beat has a fuller sound and there's strings in the background. It's also looped. There isn't transition between the verses and the hook.

I mean Dre was a professional and them nikkas was amateurs at the time. So of course they was gonna take heed to his input. But shyt there's beats my little brother made that I added input to. I would never take the damn credit from him for making the beat tho. Lol.

 

[spliz]

Mary J. Blige came out with a cover of "Hate It Or Love It" that charted the same year. It even came out during the song's run.

Yes. And that's Mary J Blige. If she had Say I it would've blown up as well. Lol. Ur making my point fam. Noone cared cause it was Christina Milian.

 

[JustCKing]

bruh, it just sounds like it hadn't been mixed and mastered yet with the exception of the added whistles, bells and strings

but if you listen to them back to back or even for a few seconds back to back, they damn near identical except for a few small details

I hear the differences. The Doggystyle version has a clear distinction between the verses and the hook. There's strings in the background that aren't present throughout the song. These are differences that aren't where someone went in and mixed them. These are clear additions to the beat. You have a looped beat vs. a beat that has changes in it. They kept the main loop the same, but there's differences.

 

[I love Latina women]

I hear the differences. The Doggystyle version has a clear distinction between the verses and the hook. There's strings in the background that aren't present throughout the song. These are differences that aren't where someone went in and mixed them. These are clear additions to the beat. You have a looped beat vs. a beat that has changes in it. They kept the main loop the same, but there's differences.

bruh, with the exception of some added bells, whistles and strings which added more to the background of the melody of the song and the mixin' and masterin', it's the same damn thing!

dre just cleaned the shyt up

 

[JustCKing]

I mean Dre was a professional and them nikkas was amateurs at the time. So of course they was gonna take heed to his input. But shyt there's beats my little brother made that I added input to. I would never take the damn credit from him for making the beat tho. Lol.

Havoc's song also has Dre credited with additional production. Hav definitely isn't an amateur. Havoc's engineer lost the multi-tracks, so Dre went back and re-created the whole beat:

When Dre mixed it, we couldn’t find the multitracks for the beat, so he had to remake everything. Havoc made [the beat] but he didn’t remember where the session was. Dre was like, "fukk it. I’ve got to remake this shyt." And he remade it like 100% the way it sounded, but of course with the Dr. Dre bang, and then he didn’t take no credit for it, gave it straight to Havoc. [Editor’s note: The album credits list Dr. Dre as a co-producer]. It hits like Dr. Dre beats hit, and it has a fukking EQ and mix like God touched it.
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Havoc: I hate to say that I’m unorganized [or that] I’m so used to having an engineer do things for me. Around that time, I had got rid of all the engineers that I was working with because I wanted to become more self-sufficient. It [used to be that I just worried] about making the beat and they would track it. I said, ‘Damn what I am I doing depending on someone to track something when it’s just that simple? I can cut out the middle man.’ I came from an era where I’m always in the studio doing beats. In the transition of putting a studio in my crib and knowing how to work it on my own; beats got lost in the shuffle. A lot of stuff got misplaced.

Dre definitely re-captured the essence. It sounds like they didn’t do nothing to it, to be honest with you. Whatever way you're looking at it, it can be a good thing or a bad thing. For me, I’d say it’s good. Dre had to play a little bit of it over and we shared production credits. Who knows why Dre was so adamant about recreating [the track instead of asking me]? I guess because Dre was so hands-on with the project and because he’s the number one producer in the world. Maybe he liked the song, so he wanted to touch it himself. At the end of the day, who else better to touch it beside Dr. Dre? I’ll share a credit with Dr. Dre any day.
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[spliz]

I hear the differences. The Doggystyle version has a clear distinction between the verses and the hook. There's strings in the background that aren't present throughout the song. These are differences that aren't where someone went in and mixed them. These are clear additions to the beat. You have a looped beat vs. a beat that has changes in it. They kept the main loop the same, but there's differences.

Dre also added vocal shyt to it. I mean he clearly added input but not full credit worth. The song was done. He did his thing wit it tho. Def made it sound better.

Havoc's song also has Dre credited with additional production. Hav definitely isn't an amateur. Havoc's engineer lost the multi-tracks, so Dre went back and re-created the whole beat:

When Dre mixed it, we couldn’t find the multitracks for the beat, so he had to remake everything. Havoc made [the beat] but he didn’t remember where the session was. Dre was like, "fukk it. I’ve got to remake this shyt." And he remade it like 100% the way it sounded, but of course with the Dr. Dre bang, and then he didn’t take no credit for it, gave it straight to Havoc. [Editor’s note: The album credits list Dr. Dre as a co-producer]. It hits like Dr. Dre beats hit, and it has a fukking EQ and mix like God touched it.
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Havoc: I hate to say that I’m unorganized [or that] I’m so used to having an engineer do things for me. Around that time, I had got rid of all the engineers that I was working with because I wanted to become more self-sufficient. It [used to be that I just worried] about making the beat and they would track it. I said, ‘Damn what I am I doing depending on someone to track something when it’s just that simple? I can cut out the middle man.’ I came from an era where I’m always in the studio doing beats. In the transition of putting a studio in my crib and knowing how to work it on my own; beats got lost in the shuffle. A lot of stuff got misplaced.

Dre definitely re-captured the essence. It sounds like they didn’t do nothing to it, to be honest with you. Whatever way you're looking at it, it can be a good thing or a bad thing. For me, I’d say it’s good. Dre had to play a little bit of it over and we shared production credits. Who knows why Dre was so adamant about recreating [the track instead of asking me]? I guess because Dre was so hands-on with the project and because he’s the number one producer in the world. Maybe he liked the song, so he wanted to touch it himself. At the end of the day, who else better to touch it beside Dr. Dre? I’ll share a credit with Dr. Dre any day.
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This is an entirely different situation all together. shyt was a freak accident and Dre fixed it. Hav would've prolly never had Dre do all of that if shyt didn't get fukked up. Pay attention to what he said. He's used to having his own ENGINEERS on deck so he never had to worry bout that until he got rid of em. That's where Dre came in. But Dre ended up having to do more than Engineer it cause of the circumstances. Lol.

 

[Barnett114]

Daz too underrated

 

[JustCKing]

Dre also added vocal shyt to it. I mean he clearly added input but not full credit worth. The song was done. He did his thing wit it tho. Def made it sound better.

This is an entirely different situation all together. shyt was a freak accident and Dre fixed it. Hav would've prolly never had Dre do all of that if shyt didn't get fukked up. Pay attention to what he said. He's used to having his own ENGINEERS on deck so he never had to worry bout that until he got rid of em. That's where Dre came in. But Dre ended up having to do more than Engineer it cause of the circumstances. Lol.

That's an instance where Dre shouldn't have gotten sole credit. It's more of a co-production than a sole production IMO.

Yeah, that's one of the instances where an engineer steps into the role of a producer because of unfortunate situations like Havoc's.

 

[spliz]

That's an instance where Dre shouldn't have gotten sole credit. It's more of a co-production than a sole production IMO.

Yeah, that's one of the instances where an engineer steps into the role of a producer because of unfortunate situations like Havoc's.

Yea fam. I not sayin Dre don't know how to do shyt. The nikka is dope at what he does. But he's lazy as fukk on the creativity side of things. Lol. He would rather work on someone else beat than make or create his own. And he's been like that since the 90s.

 

[I love Latina women]

Yea fam. I not sayin Dre don't know how to do shyt. The nikka is dope at what he does. But he's lazy as fukk on the creativity side of things. Lol. He would rather work on someone else beat than make or create his own. And he's been like that since the 90s.

exactly!

 

[cjlaw93]

another classic daz beat

One of the best beats ever made in Hip Hop

Gay ass Dre could NEVER make no shyt like this

 

[I love Latina women]

One of the best beats ever made in Hip Hop

Gay ass Dre could NEVER make no shyt like this

yeah, that beat was the shyt