I cant imagine the NFL relationship partner at ESPN gave the green light on this. I really cant.
Deadspin.com trying to kill football and this whole PBS fiasco
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I cant imagine the NFL relationship partner at ESPN gave the green light on this. I really cant.
mastermind
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and I also cannot imagine this going off without the people above the NFL's relationship partner at ESPN saying, "sure."
Hence the contentious meeting last week. ESPN deserves the criticism, and I see no reason for you to bash Deadspin over this.
the NYT article had quotes from ESPN reporters who were pissed off. Unless you feel NYT also has that agenda against the NFL?
Why would ESPN risk their relationship with the NFL? Unless they want out idk...
and for the record, no Im not a fan of the NYT and I wouldnt put it past them.
Clem
Get out my way, pimpin'.
So everyone outlet should follow the EPSN company line?
It's not clear whether your issue is with Deadspin, reporting on head injuries in football, or you just want people to leave poor little ESPN alone. Whatever it is emotion is involved.
I love football too. I loved playing it as a kid and a teenager until I got injured and wasn't able to play anymore. But I don't love it so much that I'm going to sick my head in the sand. If people still want to play football after learning fully of all of the dangers then that's fine. The NFL should also be held accountable for any kind of coverup that may have took place and if ESPN is complicit they should be taken to task as well.
Tony D'Amato
It's all about the inches
The NFL needs to take a stand and defend tge violence of football instead of trying to make it safe. Pornstars are spreading diseases. Hockey has the same concussion issues as football. Pro wrestlers die all the time, but football keeps getting all this attention. Start putting injury clauses in contracts and n1ggaz will still sign them.
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
i read about this story this morning in the Washington Post sports section.
The same paper had a story about London Fletcher, and later the Redskins, hiding a concussion he had last season.
The same paper had a story about London Fletcher, and later the Redskins, hiding a concussion he had last season.
So everyone outlet should follow the EPSN company line?
It's not clear whether your issue is with Deadspin, reporting on head injuries in football, or you just want people to leave poor little ESPN alone. Whatever it is emotion is involved.
I love football too. I loved playing it as a kid and a teenager until I got injured and wasn't able to play anymore. But I don't love it so much that I'm going to sick my head in the sand. If people still want to play football after learning fully of all of the dangers then that's fine. The NFL should also be held accountable for any kind of coverup that may have took place and if ESPN is complicit they should be taken to task as well.
I should have said in my initial post fukk ESPN and Roger Goodell.
Two things- Deadspin and their crusades annoy he fukk outta me and they're going to beat this story into the ground like they're heroes.
This upcoming doc screams hit piece. Football is dangerous. Football leads to brain damage. I don't get what the NFL can hide unless they have proof of team doctors changing cat scans ala Any Given Sunday.
Either leave the sport alone, let the guys tackle or take away the pads or just pull the plug entirely.
The question is whether the NFL has purposely misled players and the public, employed doctors with the implicit mandate to skew short-term and long-term consequences of head injuries, and feigned complete innocence and ignorance while making money hand over fist yet refusing to establish a remotely appropriate post-career fund for the mentally and physically crippled on whose backs and mushy brains the lucrative NFL empire has been built.
The question is whether the NFL is trying to retroactively rewrite the narrative on its disregard for player safety by levying exorbitant fines against players with non-guaranteed contracts for the exact kinds of hits that have for years generated fan excitement, powered highlight reels, and buoyed video games sales. The question is whether the NFL is playing the absurdly duplicitous role of knowingly endangering the long-term health of players while also projecting the public image of punishing players for endangering other players. Which is similar to a corrupt police force running drugs out of its precincts while making public arrests of petty drug users with the cameras rolling and assuring the public that the war on drugs is vigilant and successful.
The question is whether ESPN can - as it long has - lay claim to institutional integrity as a "news" organization while having business relationships with the sports it "covers." The question has always been whether ESPN can actually do objective, critical reporting on real sports issues as opposed to being an extension of those sports whose sole purpose is marketing and promoting the league while running fluff pieces.
The other question is when is enough enough when it comes to money versus truth, integrity, and basic decency? When you're making piles and piles of money, at what point do you realize that manipulating your employees and the general public isn't worth squeezing every possible dollar out of every situation? Because the NFL is fukking its players in both holes - they've purposely covered up evidence of long-term mental and physical consequences of head injuries, they've made no significant moves to help the people who make them their money post-football, and now they're stealing player money with increasingly severe and subjective fines to cover their own asses in anticipation of the flood of lawsuits that will be tacked on to all of the current litigation they're facing due to their own neglect and deceit.
But your take on the situation is that Deadspin is trying to kill football? That the New York Times is framing ESPN? That ESPN didn't join with PBS to prove their validity as an investigative, impartial news outlet, only to pull out last minute because they were told to by a business partner? And your cynical take is "of course ESPN pulled out." Which is tantamount to you excusing a news organization for killing a well-researched investigative piece on massive corruption and cover-up by a company because the news organizations parent company gets significant ad revenue from the company under investigation. Which is, pretty much, you saying "stop being outraged by corruption, lack of integrity and principle, it's just the way things work, nothing to see here." And instead you focus on the "douchey" photos of the Deadspin staff?
The question is whether the NFL is trying to retroactively rewrite the narrative on its disregard for player safety by levying exorbitant fines against players with non-guaranteed contracts for the exact kinds of hits that have for years generated fan excitement, powered highlight reels, and buoyed video games sales. The question is whether the NFL is playing the absurdly duplicitous role of knowingly endangering the long-term health of players while also projecting the public image of punishing players for endangering other players. Which is similar to a corrupt police force running drugs out of its precincts while making public arrests of petty drug users with the cameras rolling and assuring the public that the war on drugs is vigilant and successful.
The question is whether ESPN can - as it long has - lay claim to institutional integrity as a "news" organization while having business relationships with the sports it "covers." The question has always been whether ESPN can actually do objective, critical reporting on real sports issues as opposed to being an extension of those sports whose sole purpose is marketing and promoting the league while running fluff pieces.
The other question is when is enough enough when it comes to money versus truth, integrity, and basic decency? When you're making piles and piles of money, at what point do you realize that manipulating your employees and the general public isn't worth squeezing every possible dollar out of every situation? Because the NFL is fukking its players in both holes - they've purposely covered up evidence of long-term mental and physical consequences of head injuries, they've made no significant moves to help the people who make them their money post-football, and now they're stealing player money with increasingly severe and subjective fines to cover their own asses in anticipation of the flood of lawsuits that will be tacked on to all of the current litigation they're facing due to their own neglect and deceit.
But your take on the situation is that Deadspin is trying to kill football? That the New York Times is framing ESPN? That ESPN didn't join with PBS to prove their validity as an investigative, impartial news outlet, only to pull out last minute because they were told to by a business partner? And your cynical take is "of course ESPN pulled out." Which is tantamount to you excusing a news organization for killing a well-researched investigative piece on massive corruption and cover-up by a company because the news organizations parent company gets significant ad revenue from the company under investigation. Which is, pretty much, you saying "stop being outraged by corruption, lack of integrity and principle, it's just the way things work, nothing to see here." And instead you focus on the "douchey" photos of the Deadspin staff?
Clem
Get out my way, pimpin'.
ESPN shouldn't market itself as a journalistic institution then. If they're beholden to the NFL, NBA, MLB.
Why lie?
I think the ESPN/Deadspin is pretty obvious. Deadspin is never going to have the level of access or legitimacy that ESPN does so they're forced to go the opposite direction in order to carve out a niche. I would think that a place where sports related stories were reported on without sponsors or the leagues looming over them would be welcomed.
The question is whether the NFL has purposely misled players and the public, employed doctors with the implicit mandate to skew short-term and long-term consequences of head injuries, and feigned complete innocence and ignorance while making money hand over fist yet refusing to establish a remotely appropriate post-career fund for the mentally and physically crippled on whose backs and mushy brains the lucrative NFL empire has been built.
The question is whether the NFL is trying to retroactively rewrite the narrative on its disregard for player safety by levying exorbitant fines against players with non-guaranteed contracts for the exact kinds of hits that have for years generated fan excitement, powered highlight reels, and buoyed video games sales. The question is whether the NFL is playing the absurdly duplicitous role of knowingly endangering the long-term health of players while also projecting the public image of punishing players for endangering other players. Which is similar to a corrupt police force running drugs out of its precincts while making public arrests of petty drug users with the cameras rolling and assuring the public that the war on drugs is vigilant and successful.
The question is whether ESPN can - as it long has - lay claim to institutional integrity as a "news" organization while having business relationships with the sports it "covers." The question has always been whether ESPN can actually do objective, critical reporting on real sports issues as opposed to being an extension of those sports whose sole purpose is marketing and promoting the league while running fluff pieces.
The other question is when is enough enough when it comes to money versus truth, integrity, and basic decency? When you're making piles and piles of money, at what point do you realize that manipulating your employees and the general public isn't worth squeezing every possible dollar out of every situation? Because the NFL is fukking its players in both holes - they've purposely covered up evidence of long-term mental and physical consequences of head injuries, they've made no significant moves to help the people who make them their money post-football, and now they're stealing player money with increasingly severe and subjective fines to cover their own asses in anticipation of the flood of lawsuits that will be tacked on to all of the current litigation they're facing due to their own neglect and deceit.
But your take on the situation is that Deadspin is trying to kill football? That the New York Times is framing ESPN? That ESPN didn't join with PBS to prove their validity as an investigative, impartial news outlet, only to pull out last minute because they were told to by a business partner? And your cynical take is "of course ESPN pulled out." Which is tantamount to you excusing a news organization for killing a well-researched investigative piece on massive corruption and cover-up by a company because the news organizations parent company gets significant ad revenue from the company under investigation. Which is, pretty much, you saying "stop being outraged by corruption, lack of integrity and principle, it's just the way things work, nothing to see here." And instead you focus on the "douchey" photos of the Deadspin staff?
On my phone will respond when I get to a pc.
the next guy
Superstar
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/s...espn-to-quit-film-project.html?pagewanted=all
Here's the report for people that want to read about this.
Here's the report for people that want to read about this.
This we don't know yet. If this was happening, then yeah....shyt will hit the fan. How much was being withheld? Were doctors given orders by team officials to mess with medical records so players could get on the field?
The NFL has no choice to rewrite the narrative with the impending lawsuits. The fines are bullshyt, the flags are bullshyt...but lets not pretend the NFL isnt painted into a corner here. It's damned if you do, damned if you dont.
As far as the NFL knowingly endangering the health of their players- this would only be accurate, imo, if they werent being totally transparent with injury information and purposely distorted it to get guys on the field. Again, if this were to be the case- they're fukked. If not, I have to disagree. A large portion of the people suing are broke former players. Pat White is suing the league while playing.
ESPN jumped the shark way long ago and my intention here wasnt to defend them, but I could see why it would look that way.
I mean- http://nflcommunications.com/category/player-benefits/page/2/
Granted, these links can be lip service, but to say they've done nothing significant to help retired players is a tad misleading. Tons of guys are coaching, in the front office, on television. Players go back to their high schools to coach. Retired players do make a decent living. Some do, some dont. Is it the leagues responsibility to make sure each player is given a steady form of employment post retirement? The opportunities are there for these guys. As far as the fining guys to help them in court...I'd say that's a reach. It's more to appease the public than anything....problem is they're alienating us more.
[But your take on the situation is that Deadspin is trying to kill football? That the New York Times is framing ESPN? That ESPN didn't join with PBS to prove their validity as an investigative, impartial news outlet, only to pull out last minute because they were told to by a business partner? And your cynical take is "of course ESPN pulled out." Which is tantamount to you excusing a news organization for killing a well-researched investigative piece on massive corruption and cover-up by a company because the news organizations parent company gets significant ad revenue from the company under investigation. Which is, pretty much, you saying "stop being outraged by corruption, lack of integrity and principle, it's just the way things work, nothing to see here." And instead you focus on the "douchey" photos of the Deadspin staff?
Gawker media is a sleaze factory as well, just on a way lesser level than ESPN is. They have no problems ruining peoples lives(whether they deserve it or not) just to run a story. Personally, I thought Deadspin's content a lot more intersting 5-8 years ago. They went in a different direction, and yeah I'm bitter I guess and the writers are the typical 20 something NYC hipster douche on their ivory towers trying to tell you how to think...and if you dont agree you're a homophobe, bigot, whatever.
As far as ESPN I wasn't defending "the way it works" was pointing it out. Dont understand why folks are surprised ESPN came to their senses from a business standpoint. There is no integrity in the mainstream media. Killing ESPN over something that was going to happen anyways, is a waste of time imo.
The question is whether the NFL has purposely misled players and the public, employed doctors with the implicit mandate to skew short-term and long-term consequences of head injuries, and feigned complete innocence and ignorance while making money hand over fist yet refusing to establish a remotely appropriate post-career fund for the mentally and physically crippled on whose backs and mushy brains the lucrative NFL empire has been built.
The question is whether the NFL is trying to retroactively rewrite the narrative on its disregard for player safety by levying exorbitant fines against players with non-guaranteed contracts for the exact kinds of hits that have for years generated fan excitement, powered highlight reels, and buoyed video games sales. The question is whether the NFL is playing the absurdly duplicitous role of knowingly endangering the long-term health of players while also projecting the public image of punishing players for endangering other players. Which is similar to a corrupt police force running drugs out of its precincts while making public arrests of petty drug users with the cameras rolling and assuring the public that the war on drugs is vigilant and successful.
The question is whether ESPN can - as it long has - lay claim to institutional integrity as a "news" organization while having business relationships with the sports it "covers." The question has always been whether ESPN can actually do objective, critical reporting on real sports issues as opposed to being an extension of those sports whose sole purpose is marketing and promoting the league while running fluff pieces.
The other question is when is enough enough when it comes to money versus truth, integrity, and basic decency? When you're making piles and piles of money, at what point do you realize that manipulating your employees and the general public isn't worth squeezing every possible dollar out of every situation? Because the NFL is fukking its players in both holes - they've purposely covered up evidence of long-term mental and physical consequences of head injuries, they've made no significant moves to help the people who make them their money post-football, and now they're stealing player money with increasingly severe and subjective fines to cover their own asses in anticipation of the flood of lawsuits that will be tacked on to all of the current litigation they're facing due to their own neglect and deceit.
But your take on the situation is that Deadspin is trying to kill football? That the New York Times is framing ESPN? That ESPN didn't join with PBS to prove their validity as an investigative, impartial news outlet, only to pull out last minute because they were told to by a business partner? And your cynical take is "of course ESPN pulled out." Which is tantamount to you excusing a news organization for killing a well-researched investigative piece on massive corruption and cover-up by a company because the news organizations parent company gets significant ad revenue from the company under investigation. Which is, pretty much, you saying "stop being outraged by corruption, lack of integrity and principle, it's just the way things work, nothing to see here." And instead you focus on the "douchey" photos of the Deadspin staff?
Pretty much beat me to it.
This thread is little more than an embarrassing misunderstanding of journalistic ethics and responsibilities.
This just kind of makes me sad
the next guy
Superstar
@Walt @HHR Here's why Deadspin is a bunch of clowns (and frankly so is their parent Gawker) They're all about being against the grain and exposals, I want to read sports news and the news, not Deadspin or Buzzfeed bitiching about everything and putting people's business out the streets (Manti Te'o). It's ridiculous high school behavior.