Deal Reached to Reopen Government (For Three Weeks)

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Schumer & Pelosi gets a feel good talking point ("we won"), because they wanted to stop Trump's from getting a talking point....what did the citizen get?
why is not funding a wall justifiable to continue a shutdown, but not trading wall funding for
-increased regulations
-reverse of tax breaks and closing loopholes due to the recent Tax bill
-increase EPA budgeting
-wipe all student debts
-single payer health system
Here are the basics. You don't reward holding government and worker salaries hostage to get what you want. Because, he will do it again and again every time he wants something.

All those things you listed also require prolonged legislation outside of EPA funding. The ACA took two years to draft and pass. This isn't something you just tack on funding for in an continuing resolution bill.



She's absolutely right. Workers wages aren't bargining chips and I look forward to some of the talk going around about making shutdowns impossible in the future becoming a reality.

Here is where we are today. The Senate just passed a bill that Trump will sign which is the exact same fukking bill passed with bipartisan support back in December before the shutdown that Trump agreed to sign before tranny Ann Coulter said he should shutdown the government for the wall. 35 days later after causing immeasureble at the moment economic impact he is now signing the same bill he initially agreed to .

There is no justification for this shyt show and Trump is a fukking idiot listening to talking head Ann Coulter .
 

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Also can't forget many more government contractors who are not permenant federal employees will not receive backpay.

 
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Here are the basics. You don't reward holding government and worker salaries hostage to get what you want. Because, he will do it again and again every time he wants something.

All those things you listed also require prolonged legislation outside of EPA funding. The ACA took two years to draft and pass. This isn't something you just tack on funding for in an continuing resolution bill.



She's absolutely right. Workers wages aren't bargining chips and I look forward to some of the talk going around about making shutdowns impossible in the future becoming a reality.

Here is where we are today. The Senate just passed a bill that Trump will sign which is the exact same fukking bill passed with bipartisan support back in December before the shutdown that Trump agreed to sign before tranny Ann Coulter said he should shutdown the government for the wall. 35 days later after causing immeasureble at the moment economic impact he is now signing the same bill he initially agreed to .

There is no justification for this shyt show and Trump is a fukking idiot listening to talking head Ann Coulter .

again, the shutdown hurts citizens, building a wall doesn't
Unless Pelosi is a psychic, she can keep her predictions/talking point and give us something that has positive impact on our lives
She used the shutdown for her benefit, totally missing an opportunity to get substantive legislation signed, regardless of how long it takes
 

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again, the shutdown hurts citizens, building a wall doesn't
Unless Pelosi is a psychic, she can keep her predictions/talking point and give us something that has positive impact on our lives
She used the shutdown for her benefit, totally missing an opportunity to get substantive legislation signed, regardless of how long it takes

Only 7 percent . SEVEN. Believe that funding the wall to end the shutdown should even be discussed.

Seven percent of voters opposed to the construction of a wall along the southern border say they would support funding for the wall if it's the only way to reopen the federal government, according to a new poll published on Wednesday.

In the new Politico-Morning Consult poll, 72 percent of voters opposed to the wall said they would still oppose putting funding toward a wall even if it's the only way to end the government shutdown.

In total, the poll found that 43 percent of respondents support the construction of the wall while 49 percent oppose building the wall.

Among voters that support the wall, about a third of them, 34 percent, said they support dedicating funding to border security - but not specifically a wall - to end the shutdown. Slightly more than half of those voters, 51 percent, oppose that plan, according to the poll.


The house Democrats were elected to do exactly what the did here which is put a check on Trump for a wall most people don't want.

Also again, none of what you discussed is getting implemented in a continueing resolution to keep the government open. Reopening the government and paying almost a million people for their work helps people.

Let's not forget we still have a republican Senate who is not signing anything like Medicare for all .

All that stuff you want can be talked about and legislated after the basic operations of government are opened.
 

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again, the shutdown hurts citizens, building a wall doesn't
Unless Pelosi is a psychic, she can keep her predictions/talking point and give us something that has positive impact on our lives
She used the shutdown for her benefit, totally missing an opportunity to get substantive legislation signed, regardless of how long it takes

We're not funding a wall. End of discussion.

Either Mexico is paying for it or no one is paying for it.
 

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again, the shutdown hurts citizens, building a wall doesn't
Unless Pelosi is a psychic, she can keep her predictions/talking point and give us something that has positive impact on our lives
She used the shutdown for her benefit, totally missing an opportunity to get substantive legislation signed, regardless of how long it takes

fukk outta here. People who live along the border will get their property taken away to build the wall and building it is a massive waste of tax payer dollars. Trump hurt the citizens of America to used gov't workers as hostages for negotiations purposes. Blaming this on Pelosi is hilarious. Take your ass back to /r/the_donald

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nikkas eat up whatever the media tells them. nikkas had nothing to say when Obeezy shut the government down for three weeks. It was a masterful strategy they all said :heh: a few years later and Trump is Darth Vader for doing it. At least stay consistent with y’all shyt. There’s so much other shyt y’all can accuse Trump of being but it’s so hypocritical to get mad over that but not when Obama did it.
 
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Only 7 percent . SEVEN. Believe that funding the wall to end the shutdown should even be discussed.
The house Democrats were elected to do exactly what the did here which is put a check on Trump for a wall most people don't want.
Also again, none of what you discussed is getting implemented in a continueing resolution to keep the government open. Reopening the government and paying almost a million people for their work helps people.
Let's not forget we still have a republican Senate who is not signing anything like Medicare for all .
All that stuff you want can be talked about and legislated after the basic operations of government are opened.
what is 7% compared to .015%, which is the price of the wall in relation to the current spending bill
The Dems were elected to get legislation passed, by any means necessary
Nothing I discussed is getting implemented because the Dems didn't suggest it and they have successfully convinced folks that predictions/what-ifs scenarios are more important than swapping substantive legislation

We're not funding a wall. End of discussion.
Either Mexico is paying for it or no one is paying for it.
bubu the Federal workers

fukk outta here. People who live along the border will get their property taken away to build the wall and building it is a massive waste of tax payer dollars. Trump hurt the citizens of America to used gov't workers as hostages for negotiations purposes. Blaming this on Pelosi is hilarious. Take your ass back to /r/the_donald

:camby:

fawk outta here pretending to worry about hurting citizens who live along the border while ignoring what a shutdown does to federal citizens
Don't choose now to be talmbowt wasting tax dollars when tax dollars/resources are used to help people that are not paying taxes and are breaking laws, in Dem ran cities
 

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nikkas eat up whatever the media tells them. nikkas had nothing to say when Obeezy shut the government down for three weeks. It was a masterful strategy they all said :heh: a few years later and Trump is Darth Vader for doing it. At least stay consistent with y’all shyt. There’s so much other shyt y’all can accuse Trump of being but it’s so hypocritical to get mad over that but not when Obama did it.

Obama didn't shutdown the govt. The republican controlled congress shutdown the govt trying to defund Obamacare.

Meme overplays comparison between 2013 and 2018 shutdowns

Obama 2013 and Trump 2018. Are the shutdowns the same? Not exactly

By Jon Greenberg on Wednesday, January 2nd, 2019 at 3:18 p.m.


With no quick end to the recent federal government shutdown in sight, a Facebook post harking back to a 2013 shutdown under President Barack Obama has been shared over 71,000 times.

The Dec. 22 post from Trump-backer Kristy Greczkowski said, "Oct 2013, Obama shut down the government for 16 days to force Obamacare. A friendly reminder America. Secure our borders."

The post was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Facebook.)

We thought we’d compare the two fiscal impasses.

A quick recap
In September 2013, two issues were in play, the Affordable Care Act and raising the debt ceiling –– the legal amount the government is allowed to borrow.

The Affordable Care Act, passed in 2010, was due to begin in earnest in 2014. The individual mandate requiring people to have insurance would come into force. Coverage would start for Americans who signed up through government insurance marketplaces (although the meltdown of the federal Healthcare.gov website was about to throw that step into chaos).

Republicans, primarily in the House, aimed to defund Obamacare. None of the 12 regular appropriation bills to pay for government operations had been passed. A group of 80 House Republicans signed a letter to House Speaker John Boehnersaying this was the time to eliminate any dollars that would allow Obamacare to move forward.

Before the shutdown, Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., warned that a shutdown would be a bad idea and in any event wouldn’t block most of Obamacare from moving forward.

We rated that claim Mostly True. Most key parts of the law – the insurance marketplace, the premium subsidies, and the taxes and regulations – would continue unimpeded.

But if Obamacare was one rallying cry, the debt ceiling turned out to be just as important. The government was closing in on the legal limit of $16.699 trillion in debt. Without the flexibility to borrow more, Washington faced the prospect of not being able to pay back Treasury notes as they came due. Republicans wanted broader spending cuts in exchange for raising the debt limit.

At the time, Republicans controlled the House, and Democrats held the Senate. Obama had said he would veto any bill that defunded Obamacare. His veto threat and the Democratic-controlled Senate doomed any measure that undermined the fledgling health care program.

The House passed several bills that eliminated Obamacare funding, and the Senate kept stripping out those provisions.

The government shutdown began on Oct. 1. On Oct. 15, the rating agency Fitch said the U.S. government’s credit worthiness would be reviewed. A downgrade would have dramatically increased borrowing costs.

On Oct. 16, Senate Democrats and Republicans came to terms, agreeing to raise the debt ceiling and keep government open through mid December. Obamacare funding was untouched.

The current impasse
The latest shutdown stems from President Trump’s desire for $5 billion to build a wall along the border with Mexico. The Republican-controlled Senate declined to make that part of its funding plan because it couldn't get the needed 60 votes to eventually pass the spending plan. The House passed a measure with money for the wall.

The wall appears to be the only significant element that separates the sides.

Our ruling
A Facebook post said that Obama shut down the government in 2013 to force Obamacare. There are a couple of key differences between then and today.

First, leading Republicans, including Ryan, noted that Obamacare largely would move forward even if some elements were defunded. In that sense, Obama was not fighting to "force" Obamacare, because he didn’t need to.

Second, in 2013, two issues, Obamacare and the debt ceiling, were on the table. In 2018, funding for the wall stands alone. In 2013, a compromise on the debt ceiling cleared the way to reopen the government.

There is also a legal difference. In 2013, Obamacare was already law. Funding for the wall is not.

The situation in 2013 was more complicated than today. Obama, like Trump, aimed to protect a favored policy. But he also wanted to raise the debt limit, an issue of at least equal importance. We rate this claim Half True.
 

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what is 7% compared to .015%, which is the price of the wall in relation to the current spending bill
The Dems were elected to get legislation passed, by any means necessary
Nothing I discussed is getting implemented because the Dems didn't suggest it and they have successfully convinced folks that predictions/what-ifs scenarios are more important than swapping substantive legislation


bubu the Federal workers



fawk outta here pretending to worry about hurting citizens who live along the border while ignoring what a shutdown does to federal citizens
Don't choose now to be talmbowt wasting tax dollars when tax dollars/resources are used to help people that are not paying taxes and are breaking laws, in Dem ran cities

The democratic house and the republican senate BOTH passed clean funding bills WITHOUT wall funding. Trump's dumbass was against this and threatened to veto which caused the shutdown. This is Trump's shutdown. You're a dumbass.
 

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nikkas eat up whatever the media tells them. nikkas had nothing to say when Obeezy shut the government down for three weeks. It was a masterful strategy they all said :heh: a few years later and Trump is Darth Vader for doing it. At least stay consistent with y’all shyt. There’s so much other shyt y’all can accuse Trump of being but it’s so hypocritical to get mad over that but not when Obama did it.
Here is the difference. The 2013 shutdown was because the Republicans decided they didn't want to raise the debt ceiling and the US got to enjoy a decrease in it's AAA rating. They made a stipulation they would only do it if they were able to defund ACA, an act that has helped millions and is now popular with the majority of people. In the end, the Republicans once again we're taking to the cleaners and agreed to raise the debt ceiling while leaving ACA alone. Obama was in the right on this issue . This was also only a 15 day shutdown and people weren't missing two paychecks

Conversely Trump led one of the longest shutdowns in history for a wall that polled before it even started as something most people did not want. This was two times as long as the one under Obama and it wasn't even for a good reason. The end result was that he is now signing a bill he initially agreed to back in December but pulled out of because Ann Coulter called him a wimp .

See the difference ? Republicans were responsible for both shutdowns. They are the only party who due to their believe in government being bad in whole have caused shutdowns with their actions .

Run back to r/the_donald for some new talking points and try again or wait for Tucker Carlson to tell you what to think tonight .
 

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what is 7% compared to .015%, which is the price of the wall in relation to the current spending bill
The Dems were elected to get legislation passed, by any means necessary
Nothing I discussed is getting implemented because the Dems didn't suggest it and they have successfully convinced folks that predictions/what-ifs scenarios are more important than swapping substantive legislation
No one wants the wall. The people who voted for Democrats and put them in he house majority don't want the wall. They did what they were elected to do. All polling shows most people just want the government reopened. Period.

Again...everything you mentioned isn't being done in a CR bill and won't be done in a reasonable time in relation to when the government should be reopened.
 
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The democratic house and the republican senate BOTH passed clean funding bills WITHOUT wall funding. Trump's dumbass was against this and threatened to veto which caused the shutdown. This is Trump's shutdown. You're a dumbass.
Blaming one politician for a government shutdown?you lost, clearly compromised and are truly a dumbazz
Continue making excuses why your fav politicians couldn't give you nothing from a government shutdown other than feel good talking points.....bubu we won
 

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Blaming one politician for a government shutdown?you lost, clearly compromised and are truly a dumbazz
Continue making excuses why your fav politicians couldn't give you nothing from a government shutdown other than feel good talking points.....bubu we won

It was never the dems prerogative to get anything out the shutdown. They only wanted to fund the government. Trump shutdown the govt to get a wall. At the end of the day, the govt got funded and trump didn't get his wall. Trump is the one who lost in this situation.
 
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