Dear HL socialists ..Heres why socialism always fails

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Socialism is working fine for the Scandinavians

OP needs to read a newspaper and read a book

This is factually untrue.

I've posted threads on this and no one has read the content. I suggest you do so.

They're reforming their economies and moving away from those models.

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/the-...reinventing-their-model-of-capitalism.430067/

 

[MegaManX]

This is factually untrue.

I've posted threads on this and no one has read the content. I suggest you do so.

They're reforming their economies and moving away from those models.

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/the-...reinventing-their-model-of-capitalism.430067/

lol. keep following fox news. They been ranked 1-3 in the happiest citizens in the world for the past 5 years.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

This is factually untrue.

I've posted threads on this and no one has read the content. I suggest you do so.

They're reforming their economies and moving away from those models.

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/the-...reinventing-their-model-of-capitalism.430067/

I'm subscribed to the Economist and read that issue. If that's your takeaway, cool, but mine was that it has problems and needs adjustment, but is still fundamentally sound. Nobody read the thread because the format is basura and discussions with you are painful. U mite need a 3rd new screen name unburdened by the stigma of your work as "Napoleon"

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

lol. keep following fox news. They been ranked 1-3 in the happiest citizens in the world for the past 5 years.

No. They aren't. Go to talk to them. GO read their forums.

Its massively overstated.

This has nothing to do with Fox News. Its reality.

 

[rapbeats]

I agree for the most part. A mixed economy is probably the best ... some industries shouldn't be strictly profit-driven, IMO.

I DONT even know why people make the OP type of posts. what country thats working right now and has been for a long while using 100% socialism? problem non. all of these 1st world countries that are successful use some hybrid of socialism and capitalism. the countries we say use socialism and people think its 100% socialism its more like 70% soc 30% cap.
where as in the US its like 70% cap, 30% soc. What we need right now in the US is for it to be 50% cap 50% soc.

the reason cap on its on is never the answer because it also ignores human nature or i should say the nature of the greedy. greed will make you want to cheat to win, willl make you want to change the rules so they can no longer catch you cheating, where your type of cheating is the rule.

in cap, i come up with a great idea and i can get paid a ton of money for it. But the further Cap goes along you see big companies trying to change laws so less and less people can make it big coming up with said ideas. they are trying to lock out the little guy and take all of the profit from his/her ideas. what if you come up with a better Operating System than linux, Windows, or Apple. and everyone knows its better. it would take you forever to infiltrate the market place without selling all of it or most of it to one of the current big boys (MS, google, Apple, linux, etc.)

this means they have made rules and setup shop in such a way where you can't get in the game really. sure you the individual would get paid in full but the odds of you developing a super large company like these other big boys is slim and becoming slimmer and slimmer the more we lean towards Cap and the more we get away from Soc.

in addition lets keep it simple with the world economy, trade, using cheap labor etc.

is it ok that in Cap you can find cheaper labor overseas? yes for the companies. but is it good for the people that still live in the country where these companies reside? NO.

if you keep doing this you will have a lot of citizens with no jobs, and a poor standard of living. but thats the mentality of an all Cap system or a leaning way more to the CAP side system. there needs to be a mentality of I am rich, my company is doing great. I dont need double digit growth by any means necessary every single fiscal year end. there is a happy medium.

if you can't be happy making tons of money but not making tons of money x 1000. then i dont know what to tell you. it mean you're too greedy to live in a society where its a middle class and not just a Rich and Poor class.

 

[Tate]

Thread is bad and OP should feel bad

 

[DEAD7]

cuz capitalism is working so well
cuz you think you have capitalism?

 

[ⒶⓁⒾⒶⓈ]

cuz capitalism is working so well
cuz you think you have capitalism?/QUOTE]

No we dont have capitalism..we have a mix of moderately free markets +corporate socialism+ social safety nets...its an ugly compromise

thats why its so fukked up sometimes

 

[ⒶⓁⒾⒶⓈ]

Thread is bad and OP should feel bad

*looks at avi*

 

[the cac mamba]

I agree for the most part. A mixed economy is probably the best ... some industries shouldn't be strictly profit-driven, IMO.

and the problem here is that education, healthcare and prisons are

i cant say i ever saw bernie advocate for the state to start controlling production he just said the above, and hes right about it

if you look at the wealth acqusition and wage growth stats in this country, its pretty clear we need a dose of socialism in the near future

 

[ⒶⓁⒾⒶⓈ]

Socialism is working fine for the Scandinavians

OP needs to read a newspaper and read a book

LMAOOOO....Ok bruh..lets see what the facts are

http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa-603.pdf

Some policymakers in the United States and Europe argue that it is possible to enjoy economic growth and also have a large welfare state. These advocates for bigger government claim that the socalled Nordic Model offers the best of both worlds. This claim does not withstand scrutiny. Economic performance in Nordic nations is lagging, and excessive government is the most likely explanation. The public sector in Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland, and Iceland consumes, on average, more than 48 percent of economic output. Total government outlays in the United States, by contrast, are less than 37 percent of gross domestic product. Revenue comparisons are even more striking. Tax receipts average more than 45 percent of GDP in Nordic nations, a full 20 percentage points higher than the aggregate tax burden in the United States. This bigger burden of government hurts Nordic competitiveness, both because government spending consumes resources that could be more efficiently allocated by market forces and because the accompanying high tax rates discourage productive behavior

what do you know??? Looks like its actually hurting them ..its just taking them a while to figure it out

1. Why are Nordic nations relatively rich? 2. Has the welfare state has helped or hindered these countries’ economic performance? 3. Does the Nordic Model create more prosperity than the (relatively speaking) limited-government model in the United States? The answer to all of those questions is that Nordic nations are reasonably successful in spite of the welfare state. Nordic countries benefit from institutions—such as property rights, stable currencies, and the rule of law—that facilitate economic growth. And although they have large welfare states and concomitantly high levels of taxation, their economic systems in other respects are very market-oriented. Combined with the fact that before the mid- 1960s the burden of government in Nordic nations was modest, these factors help explain why those countries today are relatively prosperous.Before the 1960s, Nordic nations had modest levels of taxation and spending. Once their countries became rich, politicians in Nordic nations focused on how to redistribute the wealth that was generated by private-sector activity.

So they were really really rich before they started socialism in the 70s so socialism didnt make them better off its actually slowing
them down

In every Nordic nation, the top tax rate is imposed on taxpayers with middle-class incomes. Taxpayers in the United States do not get hit with the highest tax rate until income climbs to more than $336,000.

Many prosperous nations in Western Europe have large welfare states. This leads unsophisticated observers to sometimes assume that high tax rates and high levels of government spending do not hinder growth. Indeed, they sometimes even conclude that bigger government somehow facilitates growth. After all, government in Sweden is larger than it is in many nations that have lower living standards. This analysis puts the cart before the horse. It is possible for a nation to become rich and then adopt a welfare state. There is even a relationship studied in academic literature, known as Wagner’s Law, which revolves around the tendency for policy makers to expand the size of government once nations obtain a certain degree of prosperity.41 A poor nation that adopts the welfare state, however, is unlikely to ever become rich.

And a rich nation that embraces socilism inevitably will get poorer...it was just happening slower for the Scandinavians but with all the new muslim immigrants hungry for that free shyt its gonna happen alot faster

 

[I_Got_Da_Burna]

there's capitalism and there's crony capitalism

regulation was created to eliminate crony capitalism. unfettered capitalism is dangerous for everyone, the same way unfettered socialism is.

you need a middle ground...I think most people would agree

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

That CATO study falsely draws causation from a correlation. 2nd quote proves my point- Nordic countries are able to grow in spite of large social programs. 3rd quote is irrelevant- US is the wealthiest country in the world, in spite of its own myriad of social programs. Bad immigration policies don't invalidate the benefits of large social programs- Nordic countries are free to tighten their immigration to keep their system sustainable. Lot of things being falsely linked with other things to arrive at a predetermined conclusion. Like I said go pick up a book or a newspaper instead of getting all your info from the CATO institute

 

[ⒶⓁⒾⒶⓈ]

and the problem here is that education, healthcare and prisons are

i cant say i ever saw bernie advocate for the state to start controlling production he just said the above, and hes right about it

if you look at the wealth acqusition and wage growth stats in this country, its pretty clear we need a dose of socialism in the near future

Dont fall for it bruh..these marxists make beautiful speeches that sound real good.."power to the people and such" but once you stop to think about the actual policies like the $15 minimum wage is actually price control...ok say we implement that...immediately half of fast food and cash register workers would be replaced by robots..then they have to collect unemployment and welfare which is way less than the $9-12/hour they had been making

Or the free college..If college is free how will the lecturers get paid? Now your talking full nationalization cos the govt will have to take over every college...
the Dept of education gets another 4 years to really fukk shyt up in case there were any survivors of No Child Left behind and common core

 

[CHL]

*looks at avi*

Hey, I can post memes too!