Dear HL socialists ..Heres why socialism always fails

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

No. They aren't. Go to talk to them. GO read their forums.

Its massively overstated.

This has nothing to do with Fox News. Its reality.

Just because someone somewhere else said something you agree with doesn't make it true. This is a pretty rich suggestion considering how quick you are to dismiss forum posts here that you don't agree with

 

[the cac mamba]

Dont fall for it bruh..these marxists make beautiful speeches that sound real good.."power to the people and such" but once you stop to think about the actual policies like the $15 minimum wage is actually price control...ok say we implement that...immediately half of fast food and cash register workers would be replaced by robots..then they have to collect unemployment and welfare which is way less than the $9-12/hour they had been making

Or the free college..If college is free how will the lecturers get paid? Now your talking full nationalization cos the govt will have to take over every college...
the Dept of education gets another 4 years to really fukk shyt up in case there were any survivors of No Child Left behind and common core

can we stop this "college is free" bullshyt? that is NOT what he proposed

he proposed that the govt pays in state tuition (not even fukking boarding ) and if you go private, you have to pay tuition and boarding. that is an excellent fukkin policy for the simple reason that it would force private colleges to stop raping us and compete with that free tuition

all it would take is re-allocated money from the military, which im happy to cut

as far as min wage, yea it would cut some jobs. but why the fukk don't we ever hold corporate greed accountable instead of accepting that "well jobs have to be cut and thats the way it is"? theyre already fukkin looting the government to pay their workers' food stamps

so i see in bernie an ATTEMPT to get us in the right direction. i dont get when it comes to bernie and trump how motherfukkers act like checks and balances disappear the president doesnt even pass laws

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Just because someone somewhere else said something you agree with doesn't make it true. This is a pretty rich suggestion considering how quick you are to dismiss forum posts here that you don't agree with

I'll take the opinion of natives over evangelists who don't even live there.

 

[ⒶⓁⒾⒶⓈ]

That CATO study falsely draws causation from a correlation. 2nd quote proves my point- Nordic countries are able to grow in spite of large social programs. 3rd quote is irrelevant- US is the wealthiest country in the world, in spite of its own myriad of social programs. Bad immigration policies don't invalidate the benefits of large social programs- Nordic countries are free to tighten their immigration to keep their system sustainable. Lot of things being falsely linked with other things to arrive at a predetermined conclusion. Like I said go pick up a book or a newspaper instead of getting all your info from the CATO institute

1% is growth to you...I see we have basic economic literacy issues...Ill break it down for you...THEY ARENT GROWING once you account for inflation ...They are lucky they have Oil,Gas and a few other natural resources and they had no population growth or they would have been worse than Greece right now

Concern rises as cracks appear in Nordic model - FT.com
Norway, Finland and Denmark have all had annual productivity growth of about 1 per cent in the past decade compared with 2-3 per cent in the 1980s, according to BCG. Those figures have unleashed a debate about wages.

Its odd how you make claims yet you have posted nothing to prove YOUR arguments

 

[ⒶⓁⒾⒶⓈ]

I DONT even know why people make the OP type of posts. what country thats working right now and has been for a long while using 100% socialism? problem non. all of these 1st world countries that are successful use some hybrid of socialism and capitalism. the countries we say use socialism and people think its 100% socialism its more like 70% soc 30% cap.
where as in the US its like 70% cap, 30% soc. What we need right now in the US is for it to be 50% cap 50% soc.

the reason cap on its on is never the answer because it also ignores human nature or i should say the nature of the greedy. greed will make you want to cheat to win, willl make you want to change the rules so they can no longer catch you cheating, where your type of cheating is the rule.

in cap, i come up with a great idea and i can get paid a ton of money for it. But the further Cap goes along you see big companies trying to change laws so less and less people can make it big coming up with said ideas. they are trying to lock out the little guy and take all of the profit from his/her ideas. what if you come up with a better Operating System than linux, Windows, or Apple. and everyone knows its better. it would take you forever to infiltrate the market place without selling all of it or most of it to one of the current big boys (MS, google, Apple, linux, etc.)

this means they have made rules and setup shop in such a way where you can't get in the game really. sure you the individual would get paid in full but the odds of you developing a super large company like these other big boys is slim and becoming slimmer and slimmer the more we lean towards Cap and the more we get away from Soc.

in addition lets keep it simple with the world economy, trade, using cheap labor etc.

is it ok that in Cap you can find cheaper labor overseas? yes for the companies. but is it good for the people that still live in the country where these companies reside? NO.

if you keep doing this you will have a lot of citizens with no jobs, and a poor standard of living. but thats the mentality of an all Cap system or a leaning way more to the CAP side system. there needs to be a mentality of I am rich, my company is doing great. I dont need double digit growth by any means necessary every single fiscal year end. there is a happy medium.

if you can't be happy making tons of money but not making tons of money x 1000. then i dont know what to tell you. it mean you're too greedy to live in a society where its a middle class and not just a Rich and Poor class.

I cant untangle most of your thesis but i will adress the jobs overseas part....That is NOT capitalism thats Corporatism...think about it bruh...

there should be NO WAY someone in china can make a toilet seat for Wal mart and send it 5000 miles over 4 trucks and a ship and sell it in my home town for cheaper than i can produce one..but thanks to 8000 pages of regulations and several fed and state agencies the cost for me to open a toilet seat making business is
roughly $500k and i still may not succeed
All while walmart gets Tax breaks making it even cheaper for them to operate

see how that works

 

[DEAD7]

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

1% is growth to you...I see we have basic economic literacy issues...Ill break it down for you...THEY ARENT GROWING once you account for inflation ...They are lucky they have Oil,Gas and a few other natural resources and they had no population growth or they would have been worse than Greece right now

Its odd how you make claims yet you have posted nothing to prove YOUR arguments

Breh we have population growth and are still shrinking in GDP once you remove our deficit... we hit 8% of GDP for our deficit for a few years after the recession. Even with their huge ass govts none of the Nordic countries come anywhere close to that. So while they might only have 1% YOY growth that's way more real than our "3%"

Im not making any claims, just discussing how yours are bogus and lacking context

 

[Deutsche Bank]

Plebes are so fukking disgusting. Financing rich nikka shyt with subprime loans, then hiding behind the government and "populist anger" when the bill comes due.

Just try to mathematically reason with a stupid fukking plebe raised on MTVBETFacebook when he's at the dealership/loan officer's desk/student aid office. It's like explaining rocket science to a motherfukking zombie.

Thank God the system is about to fail and a lot of these double digit IQ mouthbreathers will be cleansed from the gene pool soon.

 

[Tate]

Scandinavia started implementing the welfare state well before the 70s folks. Like every other western country, the modern welfare state was born out of the ascendant labor movement due to the industrialization of the European economy beginning in roughly 1870 and declining from about 1970 on.

The consensus contrarian opinion on why the Scandinavian social democrats have been so much more successful than other nations' is that Scandinavia has a traditional culture that is much more egalitarian than most. This is a much more reasonable arguement than the Scandinavians secretly disliking their welfare state, especially considering the continued willingness of the Scandinavian people's to pay even more in taxes to fund social programs,

Post industrial growth sucks everywhere, even America. The only thing keeping it slightly less bad here is rising population levels due to immigration

The only real threats to a social democratic system, barring popular rejection based upon things like racism and xenophobia, are the increasing fluidity of capital markets over borders and aging populations.

Libertarians need to grow up and accept that they are fascists

 

[ⒶⓁⒾⒶⓈ]

Breh we have population growth and are still shrinking in GDP once you remove our deficit... we hit 8% of GDP for our deficit for a few years after the recession. Even with their huge ass govts none of the Nordic countries come anywhere close to that. So while they might only have 1% YOY growth that's way more real than our "3%"

Im not making any claims, just discussing how yours are bogus and lacking context

I see you have sunk to dodgy accounting to prove your point by adding our deficit...stop that...thats the cost of running a worldwide empire (which i dont agree with anyway) ..The point is if we weren't running the largest most expensive military machine the world has ever seen we would be way richer than the Scandinavians by any measure

Measures of per capita GDP from the World Bank, the OECD, the IMF, and the CIA all show that Americans have about $6,000 of additional economic output per person..Americans have twice the household wealth of Swedes, Finns, and Norwegians

nearly one-third of Scandinavian workers are employed by the state. In the United States by contrast, government workers account for slightly more than 15 percent of the workforce

you bernie fans really think the US can afford this and even if it was possible should we

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I see you have sunk to dodgy accounting to prove your point by adding our deficit...stop that...thats the cost of running a worldwide empire (which i dont agree with anyway) ..The point is if we weren't running the largest most expensive military machine the world has ever seen we would be way richer than the Scandinavians by any measure

you bernie fans really think the US can afford this and even if it was possible should we

Nothing dodgy about it. We are spending money we don't have at a much higher rate than the Nords. It's irresponsible and dishonest to discount that when comparing economic strength in the context of govt programs. I'M SURE if the Scandinavian countries were running crazy high deficits you'd be the first to let us know... but since that works against your POV it's "dodgy accounting"

And I'm not even going to get into our military..... aside from saying I could have thought of some better ways to spend $1T than to build a highway of opportunity for ISIS

But keep cooking :frommido:

 

[ⒶⓁⒾⒶⓈ]

Scandinavia started implementing the welfare state well before the 70s folks. Like every other western country, the modern welfare state was born out of the ascendant labor movement due to the industrialization of the European economy beginning in roughly 1870 and declining from about 1970 on.

The consensus contrarian opinion on why the Scandinavian social democrats have been so much more successful than other nations' is that Scandinavia has a traditional culture that is much more egalitarian than most. This is a much more reasonable arguement than the Scandinavians secretly disliking their welfare state, especially considering the continued willingness of the Scandinavian people's to pay even more in taxes to fund social programs,

Post industrial growth sucks everywhere, even America. The only thing keeping it slightly less bad here is rising population levels due to immigration

The only real threats to a social democratic system, barring popular rejection based upon things like racism and xenophobia, are the increasing fluidity of capital markets over borders and aging populations.

Libertarians need to grow up and accept that they are fascists

sure buddy...the people who want minimal govt,no tax no subsidies are the ones who are fascists....how will they fund the large standing army required for fascism?

 

[tmonster]

Its working pretty well. Whats the real problems?

housing crash leading to trillions robbed from the public
Crumbling infrastructure
Libraries are being closed
some towns can't afford street lights at night
People with no savings willing to picket (let that sink in)
Corruption abound

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

housing crash leading to trillions robbed from the public

Regulation problem

Crumbling infrastructure

Thats government and governance.

Libraries are being closed

The fukk does that have to do with capitalism? You might as well get mad at newspapers not existing anymore thanks to iPads.

some towns can't afford street lights at night

Government.

People with no savings willing to picket (let that sink in)

Thats not capitalism

Corruption abound

Vague




You can't be this disingenuous.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Scandinavia started implementing the welfare state well before the 70s folks. Like every other western country, the modern welfare state was born out of the ascendant labor movement due to the industrialization of the European economy beginning in roughly 1870 and declining from about 1970 on.

The consensus contrarian opinion on why the Scandinavian social democrats have been so much more successful than other nations' is that Scandinavia has a traditional culture that is much more egalitarian than most. This is a much more reasonable arguement than the Scandinavians secretly disliking their welfare state, especially considering the continued willingness of the Scandinavian people's to pay even more in taxes to fund social programs,

Post industrial growth sucks everywhere, even America. The only thing keeping it slightly less bad here is rising population levels due to immigration

The only real threats to a social democratic system, barring popular rejection based upon things like racism and xenophobia, are the increasing fluidity of capital markets over borders and aging populations.

Libertarians need to grow up and accept that they are fascists

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/the-...reinventing-their-model-of-capitalism.430067/