"Death to the Pessimistic State of Mind" - Nas Voice: NYK '23 Pre-Season Thread

[ikbm]

Grimes has the stroke of a perennial 40% 3PT and can thrive off-ball. RJ is a below average shooter.

Grimes has the better handle with a quick twitch decisiveness and ability to be low and elusive, hang dribble or hesi into the pull up as opposed to RJ who is usually stiff and upright, loose handler, with a high dribble and struggles to blow by defenders when he can't overpower them with his strength. Grimes footwork and fundamentals are just flat out better it is not debatable.

Not many attempts but Grimes has dare I say more craft around the basket and seemed to have finished every lay-up attempt in traffic we have seen him take meanwhile Barrett is one of the worst finishers in the game.

Grimes was our best perimeter defender last season and is better than RJ on D especially off-ball.

If Grimes tops out as a 3&D player who can attack closeouts and be a secondary-tertiary playmaker that would already bring more impact than whatever the hell it is RJ is bringing to the table.

A Klay or Bane type player>>mini Julius Randle

minuscule sample sizes. this whole take is ass.
you ask grimes to do what rj has had to do for 36 minutes a night you wouldnt have this take at all
grimes doesnt drive to the rim vs nba level competition cause he doesnt have the strength nor bounce to finish consistently. he'd put up them up ugly ass floaters and layups like he did vs tthe blazers in the summer league. I SAW it happen. the reason his development stifled and he had to transfer to houston and play 3 years in college was cause he tried to play the dominant on ball game and he didnt have the physical tools for it. but cause he hit some reverse layups vs dudes that wont see an nba minute, he's better than rj barrett. now tie this in to the fact we had horrendous spacing AND pacing....I dont see what you see man. comparing him to klay is nasty work and you should be ashamed of yourself.

gross ass hyperbole. you'd pray to god he had a 17/5/3 season on 40 percent shooting from 3....you know the type of shyt rj already has done at this level along with good defense 2 years ago...when grimes was in his first year transfered to houston

 

[ISO]

minuscule sample sizes. this whole take is ass.
you ask grimes to do what rj has had to do for 36 minutes a night you wouldnt have this take at all
grimes doesnt drive to the rim vs nba level competition cause he doesnt have the strength nor bounce to finish consistently. he'd put up them up ugly ass floaters and layups like he did vs tthe blazers in the summer league. I SAW it happen. the reason his development stifled and he had to transfer to houston and play 3 years in college was cause he tried to play the dominant on ball game and he didnt have the physical tools for it. but cause he hit some reverse layups vs dudes that wont see an nba minute, he's better than rj barrett. now tie this in to the fact we had horrendous spacing AND pacing....I dont see what you see man. comparing him to klay is nasty work and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Grimes is more skilled than RJ? No? His fundamentals are flat out better. I think that is pretty apparent not even arguable really. As I broke it down shooting, ball handling, defense, he is superior to Barrett. Give him the leash that Barrett has and I'd bet he would be a more productive and most importantly a more impactful player.

Are you valuing RJ's strength which is what helps get to the basket over all of Grimes offensive advantages? Even his passing reads in the SL were above anything I've seen from RJ, really nice tight interior needle passes to Sims, and hitting the corner shooters as well, pushing the ball ahead.

The sample size of his slashing and finishing is low. I was half way trolling there but Grimes has finished at an efficient clip. From what we've seen in both his SL stints and last years RS it's been a lot of strong aggressive takes, crafty finishes, deep launch angles, has seemed to make every lay-up through contact and in traffic. Finishing was supposed to be a weakness for him but at least on close outs and in transition it looks like he can finish.

I would never want Grimes to do what RJ does. I want Grimes to play his game which is a conducive game to good basketball.

I don't even want RJ doing what RJ does.

 

[ikbm]

Grimes is more skilled than RJ? No? His fundamentals are flat out better. I think that is pretty apparent not even arguable really. As I broke it down shooting, ball handling, defense, he is superior to Barrett. Give him the leash that Barrett has and I'd bet he would be a more productive and most importantly a more impactful player.

Are you valuing RJ's strength which is what helps get to the basket over all of Grimes offensive advantages? Even his passing reads in the SL were above anything I've seen from RJ, really nice tight interior needle passes to Sims, and hitting the corner shooters as well, pushing the ball ahead.

The sample size of his slashing and finishing is low. I was half way trolling there but Grimes has finished at an efficient clip. From what we've seen in both his SL stints and last years RS it's been a lot of strong aggressive takes, crafty finishes, deep launch angles, has seemed to make every lay-up through contact and in traffic. Finishing was supposed to be a weakness for him but at least on close outs and in transition it looks like he can finish.

I would never want Grimes to do what RJ does. I want Grimes to play his game which is a conducive game to good basketball.

I don't even want RJ doing what RJ does.

save your energy my boy, he getting traded for donovan mitchell....now unless you would rather have him at the #2 over donovan im not sure the point of all this. unless you think he's the next coming of brandon roy there hasnt been enough proof to definitively say he'd ever have a season better than rj's second year.....and the biggest hole in our roster is players that can play the 3/4

 

[ISO]

gross ass hyperbole. you'd pray to god he had a 17/5/3 season on 40 percent shooting from 3....

RJ stans love citing the box score son wasn't all that

Good defense

I think Grimes could average that fairly soon while making a higher volume of threes and being a better floor spacer (higher impact offensive player) and while being an actual good defender not a mediocre to bottom tier one like Barrett ranks out every year of his career.

 

[ikbm]

RJ stans love citing the box score son wasn't all that

Good defense

I think Grimes could average that fairly soon while making a higher volume of threes and being a better floor spacer (higher impact offensive player) and while being an actual good defender not a mediocre to bottom tier one like Barrett ranks out every year of his career.

you called grimes a 40 percent 3 point shooter, when he's not. you're the box score watcher here cause grimes was generally inefficient at everything on offense beyond shooting 3s which he slumped down to 38 percent.
your hate is nasty and it needs to stop
grimes is great at point of attack, you wouldnt dare put him on 6'7-9 guards and wings and ask him to be a stopper. bro stop it

"bottom tier defender"

 

[ISO]

you called grimes a 40 percent 3 point shooter, when he's not. you're the box score watcher here cause grimes was generally inefficient at everything on offense beyond shooting 3s which he slumped down to 38 percent.
your hate is nasty and it needs to stop
grimes is great at point of attack, you wouldnt dare put him on 6'7-9 guards and wings and ask him to be a stopper. bro stop it

"bottom tier defender"

I said he has the stroke, the mechanics of a 40% 3PT. The man has a beautiful stroke.

38% 3PT is still elite and he wasn't generally inefficient at everything else he was extremely efficient in the paint it's just that most of his shots were threes that was his job to shoot the ball and now he is showing more ball handling and playmaking ability.

Barrett isn't a stopper and his team defense sucks man ball watches off-ball and makes zero plays yes he is a mediocre to bottom tier defender as far as the leagues 450 players go he is nothing special on D please stop

 

[ISO]

Fluke ass 40% 3P, 96% assisted, mostly unguarded corner three balls in empty gyms on a low volume

Him and big bro jumpshot went to shyt once the pressure was on

Grimes really a threat to fire right over nikkas on every touch, any screen, any hand off

 

[Peter Popoff]

save your energy my boy, he getting traded for donovan mitchell....now unless you would rather have him at the #2 over donovan im not sure the point of all this. unless you think he's the next coming of brandon roy there hasnt been enough proof to definitively say he'd ever have a season better than rj's second year.....and the biggest hole in our roster is players that can play the 3/4

I think any smart gm/ coach would take Grimes, Toppin, IQ over RJ. If RJ was an option, Ainge would've said no thanks and laughed his ass off.

 

[ikbm]

I think any smart gm/ coach would take Grimes, Toppin, IQ over RJ. If RJ was an option, Ainge would've said no thanks and laughed his ass off.

Lmao good thing you arent the knicks gm. thank fukking god
first ainge wanted rj, then he didnt want rj cause he had to negotiate a contract...same reason he's not interested in herro. now he's playing media games to get a bigger offer for donovan. if iq, grimes or toppin were as good as you mother fukkers think they are...this deal would have been done a month ago. but they arent and ainge can play obtuse as much as he wants over our alleged surplus of talent
you nikkas doing the most classic version of knicks fans that overhype their talent. @ISO is so huge on iq...why hasnt this nikka shot over 39 percent from the field for his career while being an alleged shooter?
you nikkas go completely overboard for your favorites and have no measured takes. it's see-through, annoying, and corny.

 

[ISO]

Lmao good thing you arent the knicks gm. thank fukking god
first ainge wanted rj, then he didnt want rj cause he had to negotiate a contract...same reason he's not interested in herro. now he's playing media games to get a bigger offer for donovan. if iq, grimes or toppin were as good as you mother fukkers think they are...this deal would have been done a month ago. but they arent and ainge can play obtuse as much as he wants over our alleged surplus of talent
you nikkas doing the most classic version of knicks fans that overhype their talent. @ISO is so huge on iq...why hasnt this nikka shot over 39 percent from the field for his career while being an alleged shooter?
you nikkas go completely overboard for your favorites and have no measured takes. it's see-through, annoying, and corny.

Barrett game is outdated and inherently broken.

Has the look, says all the right things, and puts up the box score numbers so fans are smitten.

Knicks FO and fans unwavering loyalty to RJ will turn out to be a mistake

IQ hasn't shot over 40% because he doesn't get a lot of attempts at the rim. The gift and the curse of IQ's game is that he can make those bad shots he takes and his range always has to be accounted for make or miss and it opens up the floor for others. A lot of our offensive barrages and most exciting runs are fueled by Quickley with his ability to score in bunches. Even without shooting 40% from the floor he is more impactful and more efficient than RJ because of self created offense, shooting range, knockdown at the line and is a rock solid defender.

IQ is better than Barrett the eye test say it and so do the analytics if IQ was given RJ's leash he'd put up a smooth 18/5/5 at least.

I don't expect that to be the popular opinion especially when RJ is this bluechip Team Canada, Montverde, Duke guy with prototype wing size people bank on his potential and work ethic he just has to be better.

 

[23Barrettcity]

Me 2, off Rockaway ave and Linden mate.

Do your Knickas know you hate Rj

 

[Peter Popoff]

Do your Knickas know you hate Rj

They agree with me that he's overhyped by Knicks fans.

 

[ISO]

IQ reminds me of players like Billups, Chalmers, Lou Will

Barrett just remind me of a shorter Julius

 

[23Barrettcity]

Barrett game is outdated and inherently broken.

Has the look, says all the right things, and puts up the box score numbers so fans are smitten.

Knicks FO and fans unwavering loyalty to RJ will turn out to be a mistake

IQ hasn't shot over 40% because he doesn't get a lot of attempts at the rim. The gift and the curse of IQ's game is that he can make those bad shots he takes and his range always has to be accounted for make or miss and it opens up the floor for others. A lot of our offensive barrages and most exciting runs are fueled by Quickley with his ability to score in bunches. Even without shooting 40% from the floor he is more impactful and more efficient than RJ because of self created offense, shooting range, knockdown at the line and is a rock solid defender.

IQ is better than Barrett the eye test say it and so do the analytics if IQ was given RJ's leash he'd put up a smooth 18/5/5 at least.

I don't expect that to be the popular opinion especially when RJ is this bluechip Team Canada, Montverde, Duke guy with prototype wing size people bank on his potential and work ethic he just has to be better.

So salty

 

[TOAD99]

God damn, putting this thread on ignore till the season starts